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If we get Stockley I hope we then go out and get either Charles from Accrington or Marquis from Portsmouth to partner Stockley up front in a 4/4/22
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Tell your brotherLargeAddick said:
does it matter? You can sign players out of the window, you just can't play them. Seeing as the season doesn't start until August it's not an issue.Covered End said:When does the window open?
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Ah so this is not since Adkins arrived?Todds_right_hook said:
As always?Crusty54 said:
Announced everywhere talks start today. Fake news from you as always.Todds_right_hook said:I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig.Have you actually read what I said? I said that the meeting was with bowyer! I was told this by a club employee. Do you know what happened in February better than a club employee?
I really do get wound up by idiots like you. Starting on people for sharing information they’ve heard! Have you heard different? Do you have any proof that this isn’t the case? Or are you just piping up behind a key board?
it’s a football forum and people are entitled to post what they hear! I wasn’t the only person to post that, someone else did. It’s also called the rumours thread, not an actual fact thread. Half the rumours that will be posted on here up until the end of august will not happen. Are you going to call out every poster that posts?
I suggest that maybe you stay off this thread if you cry whenever there is a post you don’t like.
in summary, read posts properly before you act like a dick and provide stupid comments
In fairness your original post on this thread did say "I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig."
Removed from the tracker. Please do continue to share, most of us appreciate insight, whether it ends up proven or not.3 -
If anyone’s being a dick about someone’s post, it’s you.Todds_right_hook said:
As always?Crusty54 said:
Announced everywhere talks start today. Fake news from you as always.Todds_right_hook said:I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig.Have you actually read what I said? I said that the meeting was with bowyer! I was told this by a club employee. Do you know what happened in February better than a club employee?
I really do get wound up by idiots like you. Starting on people for sharing information they’ve heard! Have you heard different? Do you have any proof that this isn’t the case? Or are you just piping up behind a key board?
it’s a football forum and people are entitled to post what they hear! I wasn’t the only person to post that, someone else did. It’s also called the rumours thread, not an actual fact thread. Half the rumours that will be posted on here up until the end of august will not happen. Are you going to call out every poster that posts?
I suggest that maybe you stay off this thread if you cry whenever there is a post you don’t like.
in summary, read posts properly before you act like a dick and provide stupid comments3 -
Who asked you?esseffect said:
If anyone’s being a dick about someone’s post, it’s you.Todds_right_hook said:
As always?Crusty54 said:
Announced everywhere talks start today. Fake news from you as always.Todds_right_hook said:I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig.Have you actually read what I said? I said that the meeting was with bowyer! I was told this by a club employee. Do you know what happened in February better than a club employee?
I really do get wound up by idiots like you. Starting on people for sharing information they’ve heard! Have you heard different? Do you have any proof that this isn’t the case? Or are you just piping up behind a key board?
it’s a football forum and people are entitled to post what they hear! I wasn’t the only person to post that, someone else did. It’s also called the rumours thread, not an actual fact thread. Half the rumours that will be posted on here up until the end of august will not happen. Are you going to call out every poster that posts?
I suggest that maybe you stay off this thread if you cry whenever there is a post you don’t like.
in summary, read posts properly before you act like a dick and provide stupid comments
I have one connection within the club who shared something with me. I’ve shared it on here because it’s a rumour!
I now feel shitty that someone has called me out, without justification, without knowing me, without knowing where the information come from. Why do that? Why would I now bother sharing anything? The as always comment......I’ve only ever shared one other piece of information. And there is a reason for that.
this is a fans forum, a bit of fun. Why should people come on here to be made to feel shitty. I can easily name 5 posters who were contributors to this forum that got grief for sharing and no longer post! Is that fair and acceptable?6 -
Correct. I did follow up with the bowyer comment.Dazzler21 said:
Ah so this is not since Adkins arrived?Todds_right_hook said:
As always?Crusty54 said:
Announced everywhere talks start today. Fake news from you as always.Todds_right_hook said:I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig.Have you actually read what I said? I said that the meeting was with bowyer! I was told this by a club employee. Do you know what happened in February better than a club employee?
I really do get wound up by idiots like you. Starting on people for sharing information they’ve heard! Have you heard different? Do you have any proof that this isn’t the case? Or are you just piping up behind a key board?
it’s a football forum and people are entitled to post what they hear! I wasn’t the only person to post that, someone else did. It’s also called the rumours thread, not an actual fact thread. Half the rumours that will be posted on here up until the end of august will not happen. Are you going to call out every poster that posts?
I suggest that maybe you stay off this thread if you cry whenever there is a post you don’t like.
in summary, read posts properly before you act like a dick and provide stupid comments
In fairness your original post on this thread did say "I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig."
Removed from the tracker. Please do continue to share, most of us appreciate insight, whether it ends up proven or not.
my rant isn’t aimed at you and the tracker is just a bit of fun.2 -
Wasnt there mention of George Long and Reece Burke as well?Dazzler21 said:By the way J Block was listed for his comment regarding Jayden Stockley and now Todds Right Hook is listed for stating Aneke isn't turning up for contract talks.
This continues to be for a laugh so please don't get your knickers in a twist if you end up in the red.
(Also gives us a list of rumours to track! So please tag me when actual rumours crop up)2 -
Can't see Burke happening unless he wants to come back south for personal reasons. Why trade Championship football for L1.ForeverAddickted said:
Wasnt there mention of George Long and Reece Burke as well?Dazzler21 said:By the way J Block was listed for his comment regarding Jayden Stockley and now Todds Right Hook is listed for stating Aneke isn't turning up for contract talks.
This continues to be for a laugh so please don't get your knickers in a twist if you end up in the red.
(Also gives us a list of rumours to track! So please tag me when actual rumours crop up)
In terms of Long I could see him coming if Amos leaves or if Hull release him. Otherwise it would be the same as Burke.0 -
Must be nearly time for why haven't we signed anyone bingo
- Players are still on holiday staycation (with their phones switched off)
- Contracts don't expire until 30th June.
- We have to sell before we can buy (not anymore I hope!)
- Agents are trying to stir up bidding war
- Players are hedging their bets
- Owner wants "sustainable growth" and won't pay "over the odds" for transfer fees.
- Didn't want to break our wage structure
- Player won't talk to us until he returns from international duty (with the Seychelles or such)
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Both out of contract.Richard J said:
Can't see Burke happening unless he wants to come back south for personal reasons. Why trade Championship football for L1.ForeverAddickted said:
Wasnt there mention of George Long and Reece Burke as well?Dazzler21 said:By the way J Block was listed for his comment regarding Jayden Stockley and now Todds Right Hook is listed for stating Aneke isn't turning up for contract talks.
This continues to be for a laugh so please don't get your knickers in a twist if you end up in the red.
(Also gives us a list of rumours to track! So please tag me when actual rumours crop up)
In terms of Long I could see him coming if Amos leaves or if Hull release him. Otherwise it would be the same as Burke why trade the Championship for L1?0 -
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.1 -
No one asked me, it’s a public forum.Todds_right_hook said:
Who asked you?esseffect said:
If anyone’s being a dick about someone’s post, it’s you.Todds_right_hook said:
As always?Crusty54 said:
Announced everywhere talks start today. Fake news from you as always.Todds_right_hook said:I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig.Have you actually read what I said? I said that the meeting was with bowyer! I was told this by a club employee. Do you know what happened in February better than a club employee?
I really do get wound up by idiots like you. Starting on people for sharing information they’ve heard! Have you heard different? Do you have any proof that this isn’t the case? Or are you just piping up behind a key board?
it’s a football forum and people are entitled to post what they hear! I wasn’t the only person to post that, someone else did. It’s also called the rumours thread, not an actual fact thread. Half the rumours that will be posted on here up until the end of august will not happen. Are you going to call out every poster that posts?
I suggest that maybe you stay off this thread if you cry whenever there is a post you don’t like.
in summary, read posts properly before you act like a dick and provide stupid comments
I have one connection within the club who shared something with me. I’ve shared it on here because it’s a rumour!
I now feel shitty that someone has called me out, without justification, without knowing me, without knowing where the information come from. Why do that? Why would I now bother sharing anything? The as always comment......I’ve only ever shared one other piece of information. And there is a reason for that.
this is a fans forum, a bit of fun. Why should people come on here to be made to feel shitty. I can easily name 5 posters who were contributors to this forum that got grief for sharing and no longer post! Is that fair and acceptable?Everyone is allowed their opinion, including your rumour and the others posters opinion on your rumour.0 -
Good postcafcfan1990 said:
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.
i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.3 -
Might be that they would prefer their chances of starting and getting game time in League One then, and the difference in wages between a top/ambitious L1 team and the Championship is probably not that huge (apart from those teams with Premier League relegation funds but again, chances of getting game time there is dubious.)Cafc43v3r said:
Both out of contract.Richard J said:
Can't see Burke happening unless he wants to come back south for personal reasons. Why trade Championship football for L1.ForeverAddickted said:
Wasnt there mention of George Long and Reece Burke as well?Dazzler21 said:By the way J Block was listed for his comment regarding Jayden Stockley and now Todds Right Hook is listed for stating Aneke isn't turning up for contract talks.
This continues to be for a laugh so please don't get your knickers in a twist if you end up in the red.
(Also gives us a list of rumours to track! So please tag me when actual rumours crop up)
In terms of Long I could see him coming if Amos leaves or if Hull release him. Otherwise it would be the same as Burke why trade the Championship for L1?
Were they there at the same time as Adkins? If so that is another factor as he seems very well liked by his former players.0 -
Correct, and I apologies for snapping at you.esseffect said:
No one asked me, it’s a public forum.Todds_right_hook said:
Who asked you?esseffect said:
If anyone’s being a dick about someone’s post, it’s you.Todds_right_hook said:
As always?Crusty54 said:
Announced everywhere talks start today. Fake news from you as always.Todds_right_hook said:I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig.Have you actually read what I said? I said that the meeting was with bowyer! I was told this by a club employee. Do you know what happened in February better than a club employee?
I really do get wound up by idiots like you. Starting on people for sharing information they’ve heard! Have you heard different? Do you have any proof that this isn’t the case? Or are you just piping up behind a key board?
it’s a football forum and people are entitled to post what they hear! I wasn’t the only person to post that, someone else did. It’s also called the rumours thread, not an actual fact thread. Half the rumours that will be posted on here up until the end of august will not happen. Are you going to call out every poster that posts?
I suggest that maybe you stay off this thread if you cry whenever there is a post you don’t like.
in summary, read posts properly before you act like a dick and provide stupid comments
I have one connection within the club who shared something with me. I’ve shared it on here because it’s a rumour!
I now feel shitty that someone has called me out, without justification, without knowing me, without knowing where the information come from. Why do that? Why would I now bother sharing anything? The as always comment......I’ve only ever shared one other piece of information. And there is a reason for that.
this is a fans forum, a bit of fun. Why should people come on here to be made to feel shitty. I can easily name 5 posters who were contributors to this forum that got grief for sharing and no longer post! Is that fair and acceptable?Everyone is allowed their opinion, including your rumour and the others posters opinion on your rumour.
I just get wound up with the constant questioning without substance.
im sure the poster who named the two hull players will get it rammed in his face if they don’t sign. I am grateful for rumours and snippets of news, regardless if they happen or not7 -
Thanks mateTodds_right_hook said:
Good postcafcfan1990 said:
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.
i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.
But yes absolutely. The problem with signing 14 new players is that signing 12 on a permanent basis is unrealistic, you either don't have the resources or end up short on quality. We have to make sure we have a decent starting point and then use the budget to buy a few quality players every year and then fill the remaining spots with the loans. It's sort of what Bowyer did in the Championship as we saw most of the loans arrive late - Cullen, Field, Leko and Kayal all came in after the first game. Who can say those first three didn't have an impact, in fact look at the loans throughout Bowyer's reign, most of them improved us and cared a lot more than some of the permanent players during that time!0 -
Bit like Jason Pearce, captained Wigan to the title but wasn't wanted for the step up.thenewbie said:
Might be that they would prefer their chances of starting and getting game time in League One then, and the difference in wages between a top/ambitious L1 team and the Championship is probably not that huge (apart from those teams with Premier League relegation funds but again, chances of getting game time there is dubious.)Cafc43v3r said:
Both out of contract.Richard J said:
Can't see Burke happening unless he wants to come back south for personal reasons. Why trade Championship football for L1.ForeverAddickted said:
Wasnt there mention of George Long and Reece Burke as well?Dazzler21 said:By the way J Block was listed for his comment regarding Jayden Stockley and now Todds Right Hook is listed for stating Aneke isn't turning up for contract talks.
This continues to be for a laugh so please don't get your knickers in a twist if you end up in the red.
(Also gives us a list of rumours to track! So please tag me when actual rumours crop up)
In terms of Long I could see him coming if Amos leaves or if Hull release him. Otherwise it would be the same as Burke why trade the Championship for L1?
Were they there at the same time as Adkins? If so that is another factor as he seems very well liked by his former players.0 -
Ok if they're out of contract but Scally would not want to sell to us.killerandflash said:Gillingham will lose a few players this summer, I'm sure Gallen and co have been keeping an eye on their best players0 -
Aneke needs to start his summer fitness programme now before he even signs for anyone.Dazzler21 said:By the way J Block was listed for his comment regarding Jayden Stockley and now Todds Right Hook is listed for stating Aneke isn't turning up for contract talks.
This continues to be for a laugh so please don't get your knickers in a twist if you end up in the red.
(Also gives us a list of rumours to track! So please tag me when actual rumours crop up)0 - Sponsored links:
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cafcfan1990 said:
Thanks mateTodds_right_hook said:
Good postcafcfan1990 said:
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.
i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.
But yes absolutely. The problem with signing 14 new players is that signing 12 on a permanent basis is unrealistic, you either don't have the resources or end up short on quality. We have to make sure we have a decent starting point and then use the budget to buy a few quality players every year and then fill the remaining spots with the loans. It's sort of what Bowyer did in the Championship as we saw most of the loans arrive late - Cullen, Field, Leko and Kayal all came in after the first game. Who can say those first three didn't have an impact, in fact look at the loans throughout Bowyer's reign, most of them improved us and cared a lot more than some of the permanent players during that time!
Powell signed more than 12 permanent players in the summer of 2011. We signed 7 players in June alone!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season
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Don’t bring me in this ...esseffect said:
If anyone’s being a dick about someone’s post, it’s you.Todds_right_hook said:
As always?Crusty54 said:
Announced everywhere talks start today. Fake news from you as always.Todds_right_hook said:I’ve been told that aneke didn’t turn up for contract talks as he thinks he can get a championship gig.Have you actually read what I said? I said that the meeting was with bowyer! I was told this by a club employee. Do you know what happened in February better than a club employee?
I really do get wound up by idiots like you. Starting on people for sharing information they’ve heard! Have you heard different? Do you have any proof that this isn’t the case? Or are you just piping up behind a key board?
it’s a football forum and people are entitled to post what they hear! I wasn’t the only person to post that, someone else did. It’s also called the rumours thread, not an actual fact thread. Half the rumours that will be posted on here up until the end of august will not happen. Are you going to call out every poster that posts?
I suggest that maybe you stay off this thread if you cry whenever there is a post you don’t like.
in summary, read posts properly before you act like a dick and provide stupid comments11 -
It CAN be done but actually doing it (and it working) is very hard to get right and really shouldn't be planned for as there's too much that could go wrong.killerandflash said:cafcfan1990 said:
Thanks mateTodds_right_hook said:
Good postcafcfan1990 said:
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.
i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.
But yes absolutely. The problem with signing 14 new players is that signing 12 on a permanent basis is unrealistic, you either don't have the resources or end up short on quality. We have to make sure we have a decent starting point and then use the budget to buy a few quality players every year and then fill the remaining spots with the loans. It's sort of what Bowyer did in the Championship as we saw most of the loans arrive late - Cullen, Field, Leko and Kayal all came in after the first game. Who can say those first three didn't have an impact, in fact look at the loans throughout Bowyer's reign, most of them improved us and cared a lot more than some of the permanent players during that time!
Powell signed more than 12 permanent players in the summer of 2011. We signed 7 players in June alone!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season0 -
We did we signed 18 over the season, as Valley TV often reminds us. Butkillerandflash said:cafcfan1990 said:
Thanks mateTodds_right_hook said:
Good postcafcfan1990 said:
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.
i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.
But yes absolutely. The problem with signing 14 new players is that signing 12 on a permanent basis is unrealistic, you either don't have the resources or end up short on quality. We have to make sure we have a decent starting point and then use the budget to buy a few quality players every year and then fill the remaining spots with the loans. It's sort of what Bowyer did in the Championship as we saw most of the loans arrive late - Cullen, Field, Leko and Kayal all came in after the first game. Who can say those first three didn't have an impact, in fact look at the loans throughout Bowyer's reign, most of them improved us and cared a lot more than some of the permanent players during that time!
Powell signed more than 12 permanent players in the summer of 2011. We signed 7 players in June alone!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season
2 were signed in January
3 were kids who played little or no part in the league.
1 was a knackered Spaniard who made Watson look quick and managed 1 cup game.
1 was a very obviously back up keeper
2 were Jason Euall and Andy Hughes
1 was a back up left back
It's the other 8 we need :-)0 -
Yes fair enough but then the following season we build on it by adding a few to a settled squad. It's not sustainable to do it summer after summer. We no doubt need an overhaul this summer, but if we build a quality squad and get promoted, we don't want to have to do it again next summer.killerandflash said:cafcfan1990 said:
Thanks mateTodds_right_hook said:
Good postcafcfan1990 said:
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.
i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.
But yes absolutely. The problem with signing 14 new players is that signing 12 on a permanent basis is unrealistic, you either don't have the resources or end up short on quality. We have to make sure we have a decent starting point and then use the budget to buy a few quality players every year and then fill the remaining spots with the loans. It's sort of what Bowyer did in the Championship as we saw most of the loans arrive late - Cullen, Field, Leko and Kayal all came in after the first game. Who can say those first three didn't have an impact, in fact look at the loans throughout Bowyer's reign, most of them improved us and cared a lot more than some of the permanent players during that time!
Powell signed more than 12 permanent players in the summer of 2011. We signed 7 players in June alone!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Charlton_Athletic_F.C._season1 -
We’re only guessing how far the budget will stretch at this stage.cafcfan1990 said:
Thanks mateTodds_right_hook said:
Good postcafcfan1990 said:
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.
i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.
But yes absolutely. The problem with signing 14 new players is that signing 12 on a permanent basis is unrealistic, you either don't have the resources or end up short on quality. We have to make sure we have a decent starting point and then use the budget to buy a few quality players every year and then fill the remaining spots with the loans. It's sort of what Bowyer did in the Championship as we saw most of the loans arrive late - Cullen, Field, Leko and Kayal all came in after the first game. Who can say those first three didn't have an impact, in fact look at the loans throughout Bowyer's reign, most of them improved us and cared a lot more than some of the permanent players during that time!
On the earlier point about loans we’d all take a Gallagher over a Shinnie, but Gallagher was unproven at the time, realistically we won’t sign 5 outstanding players on loan. Bringing in that many young Prem players would be a gamble and we could end up with a squad that’s too young and inexperienced.
I said before I’m expecting a few loans but getting 5 every year isn’t the way to rebuild the club. We went with the short term rebuild this summer due to circumstances and it hasn’t worked out. I’m sure we’ll find a better balance this summer, including some loan signings.0 -
The League One squad limitation of 20 players is still active for the moment. But it doesn't count for players under 21. So if you bring in 5 Prem loans, your 20-man squad is now 25.2
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I think 4 or 5 loans are inevitable for the next 2 or 3 seasons. You can fix the first team squad in one window but "the pipeline" from the academy will take a while. This crop of U18s looks very good, but there looks to be a bit of a void above that.Scoham said:
We’re only guessing how far the budget will stretch at this stage.cafcfan1990 said:
Thanks mateTodds_right_hook said:
Good postcafcfan1990 said:
I agree with the theory and long-term we definitely have to try reduce our reliance, but we also need short-term success, i.e get out of this division. If you had a choice this summer between Shinnie signing for another year and Gallagher back on loan, who are you choosing?Scoham said:
I’m not ruling them out, I’m saying I hope we cut down on the number of them from 5 to say 2/3. It’ll help us build a team for the longer term and we won’t have so much to do in summer window next year. Handy to have a few spots free ready for January if we need them too.Cafc43v3r said:
I think ruling out loans is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's the type of loan, the same as any transfer, that's the risk/issue.Scoham said:
I'm hoping we can move away from requiring 5 loans every season to build a squad. If you release another 5 suddenly that's 10 signings you need to bring in every summer.Cafc43v3r said:
Not really if 5 are loans.Wheresmeticket? said:
10 new players looks pretty massive to me....!ForeverAddickted said:How I think we'll go into the new season:
GK: Amos | Maynard-Brewer
RB: Matthews | Gunter
CB: Inniss | Pearce | Centre-Back | Centre-Back
LB: Purrington | Left-Back
W: Jaiyesimi | Left-Wing | Right-Wing | Right-Wing
Mid: Forster-Caskey | Morgan | Gilbey | Watson | Pratley | CM | CM | CM
Strikers: Stockley | Washington | Schwartz | Forward
Dont think we'll have the massive squad overhaul that people are hoping for.
We only started bringing that many in on loan due to Roland losing interest which resulted in him cutting back on the playing budget. After he went the salary cap took over and meant it had to continue.
It might cost more in the short term but get the recruitment right and it'll pay off in the longer term.
Comes down to how much TS wants to spend and who's available I guess.
You can get, on loan, players you could never sign on a perm. You can also "try before you buy". I also think, due to the current financial situation your will see more "Shinnie type" transfers to off load players in their final year. We may see one or two of these going out this season?
The loans you don't want the one we had under Parkinson and Pardew, but you can't now anyway.
All the time there are bigger clubs than you, you should, absolutely use loans. Even Powell's title winners had 5 over the season.
After the August window closed Powell only had Cort on loan. The other four were short term loans mainly used to cover injuries and add depth.
Personally I think the criticism of our loans have been over the top. I think the bigger issue is any half decent player has left for peanuts and every season we've had to replace half the squad on top of the loans. If you can get a decent core group of 15/16, then add 2/3 every season and then 3/4 loans it can work well. The bigger problem has been having the lack of decent players in the squad tied down to 3/4 years, so we have been relying on signing loans before we even contemplate signing permanent players, it should be different this summer.
i would rather go back for famewo for a year to give baker another year of u-23 football than give oshi a new contract or sign a player with similar ability.
But yes absolutely. The problem with signing 14 new players is that signing 12 on a permanent basis is unrealistic, you either don't have the resources or end up short on quality. We have to make sure we have a decent starting point and then use the budget to buy a few quality players every year and then fill the remaining spots with the loans. It's sort of what Bowyer did in the Championship as we saw most of the loans arrive late - Cullen, Field, Leko and Kayal all came in after the first game. Who can say those first three didn't have an impact, in fact look at the loans throughout Bowyer's reign, most of them improved us and cared a lot more than some of the permanent players during that time!
On the earlier point about loans we’d all take a Gallagher over a Shinnie, but Gallagher was unproven at the time, realistically we won’t sign 5 outstanding players on loan. Bringing in that many young Prem players would be a gamble and we could end up with a squad that’s too young and inexperienced.
I said before I’m expecting a few loans but getting 5 every year isn’t the way to rebuild the club. We went with the short term rebuild this summer due to circumstances and it hasn’t worked out. I’m sure we’ll find a better balance this summer, including some loan signings.
I would guess already we are more attractive to 16-18 year olds this summer than last. You can't undo, what has realistically a decade of damage, in one shot. Unfortunately.1 -
Yeah I may have missed a couple. Can't remember who posted those and we're 16 pages deep already!ForeverAddickted said:
Wasnt there mention of George Long and Reece Burke as well?Dazzler21 said:By the way J Block was listed for his comment regarding Jayden Stockley and now Todds Right Hook is listed for stating Aneke isn't turning up for contract talks.
This continues to be for a laugh so please don't get your knickers in a twist if you end up in the red.
(Also gives us a list of rumours to track! So please tag me when actual rumours crop up)
*EDIT Found it. Starr Inn Addick has been added for his Long and Burke from Hull rumour. Also kept the Aneke one, but reworded.
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Henry and Barker would surely be part of the "wider" squad next season. Morgan was only 21 in February so I assume he will count as an U21
Davison and AMB were 21 before January 1st, so would be part of the 200
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