For example, I would be fully in favour of all new NHS & Caring employment contracts having a covid vaccination requirement included immediately, subject to vaccine being available for anyone with a job offer in those fields. I think changing existing contracts might require greater thought. There could be unintended consequences. The situation for those making foreign business trips, including cross-border lorry drivers, flight crew, etc. might need to be treated in a similar way.
There are many things people might like to do but are not essential for life and livelihood. If these involve mass gatherings in confined spaces, then restricting participation to those who are vaccinated seems to me a sensible and proportionate move. Anti-vax people might not like it, but it is their choice - much like those who choose to refuse blood transfusions, or make any other life-style choice. Choices come with consequences.
I would include foreign holidays and family visits abroad in this; from the start these have been recognised as a major vector for spreading the virus between countries, and now for variants of concern. I believe this restriction is already being applied by cruise operators, even for cruises in home waters.
Cheers Shooters. This is free speech as it should be. I doubt if the Chinese government will ever admit there was a leak. But, for sure I will not swallow the given story about wet markets and eating bats. I am surprised that you are in total denial about normal deaths being attributed to Covid. I have at least ten different sources giving me apparent facts and this is not me seeking them out, they just pop up in general conversation. One close to hand is from my 93 year old mother who lives in an independent care home. She is the only unvaccinated and very healthy resident in her building (Several carers have refused the jab). So, her two next door neighbours were admitted to hospital before Christmas. One with a severe respiratory condition and the other with pneumonia. Both, as is my mum, were regularly tested for Covid-19 in the care home. They were in hospital for about three weeks and both died. Everyone in the care home was shocked to hear that Covid-19 was given as the cause of death when they were clearly really suffering with their given conditions. Last week my 'roofer' (we're getting our soffics done), who has had one jab, told me about his friend who died hours after getting his jab. He is now too scared to have his second jab and is a tough gypsy type of bloke. I'll not bore you with more scenarios but just to reaffirm that personally I have no fear of Covid itself but have rather a horror at the current agenda of coercion to mass vaccinate humanity with unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ for something that 99.7 % of people would recover from and thereby develop their own immunity to.
All my family have had their jabs and I've had one. No problems apart from some very mild side effects. Think I'd rather go by that than someone's roofer's mate.
Cheers Shooters. This is free speech as it should be. I doubt if the Chinese government will ever admit there was a leak. But, for sure I will not swallow the given story about wet markets and eating bats. I am surprised that you are in total denial about normal deaths being attributed to Covid. I have at least ten different sources giving me apparent facts and this is not me seeking them out, they just pop up in general conversation. One close to hand is from my 93 year old mother who lives in an independent care home. She is the only unvaccinated and very healthy resident in her building (Several carers have refused the jab). So, her two next door neighbours were admitted to hospital before Christmas. One with a severe respiratory condition and the other with pneumonia. Both, as is my mum, were regularly tested for Covid-19 in the care home. They were in hospital for about three weeks and both died. Everyone in the care home was shocked to hear that Covid-19 was given as the cause of death when they were clearly really suffering with their given conditions. Last week my 'roofer' (we're getting our soffics done), who has had one jab, told me about his friend who died hours after getting his jab. He is now too scared to have his second jab and is a tough gypsy type of bloke. I'll not bore you with more scenarios but just to reaffirm that personally I have no fear of Covid itself but have rather a horror at the current agenda of coercion to mass vaccinate humanity with unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ for something that 99.7 % of people would recover from and thereby develop their own immunity to.
A doctor that writes a false cause of death on a death certificate is in serious trouble from the law. If this were common practice then elderly relatives would be popping their clogs all over from actions taken by unscrupulous relatives. Fortunately the law is clear and would result in any such falsifying of certificate in prosecution and being struck from the medical register. Do you really think that doctors risk that for what reason exactly ? To speed the release of bodies ? The examining doctor has nothing to gain and quite possibly everything to lose. I’m not saying it’s not happened in extreme isolation but common practice it’s not. If you have no fear of Covid then you are frankly stupid. It’s a virus that can kill. Certainly the fear needs perspective but no fear or concern ? One last point. The 99.7% of people that would recover is one thing. The lunatic policy you advocate of allowing the virus free reign would have resulted in our intensive care units right across the country being overwhelmed and resulted in horrific scenes of people requiring intensive therapies not having it available. Have you seen the footage from India or is that a lie too. This is a Serious question directly to you. Do you use a microwave ? If you answer I’ll explain the question after.
Cheers Shooters. This is free speech as it should be. I doubt if the Chinese government will ever admit there was a leak. But, for sure I will not swallow the given story about wet markets and eating bats. I am surprised that you are in total denial about normal deaths being attributed to Covid. I have at least ten different sources giving me apparent facts and this is not me seeking them out, they just pop up in general conversation. One close to hand is from my 93 year old mother who lives in an independent care home. She is the only unvaccinated and very healthy resident in her building (Several carers have refused the jab). So, her two next door neighbours were admitted to hospital before Christmas. One with a severe respiratory condition and the other with pneumonia. Both, as is my mum, were regularly tested for Covid-19 in the care home. They were in hospital for about three weeks and both died. Everyone in the care home was shocked to hear that Covid-19 was given as the cause of death when they were clearly really suffering with their given conditions. Last week my 'roofer' (we're getting our soffics done), who has had one jab, told me about his friend who died hours after getting his jab. He is now too scared to have his second jab and is a tough gypsy type of bloke. I'll not bore you with more scenarios but just to reaffirm that personally I have no fear of Covid itself but have rather a horror at the current agenda of coercion to mass vaccinate humanity with unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ for something that 99.7 % of people would recover from and thereby develop their own immunity to.
I can’t get my head around that you know at least ten people that have had serious health problems with the vaccine compared to the hundreds of posters on CL that have been fine beyond sore arm, cold-type symptoms etc. The chances of you knowing 1, maybe 2 people I could understand, but knowing 10 people who have had problems with vaccine just seems bizarre to me.
Cheers Shooters. This is free speech as it should be. I doubt if the Chinese government will ever admit there was a leak. But, for sure I will not swallow the given story about wet markets and eating bats. I am surprised that you are in total denial about normal deaths being attributed to Covid. I have at least ten different sources giving me apparent facts and this is not me seeking them out, they just pop up in general conversation. One close to hand is from my 93 year old mother who lives in an independent care home. She is the only unvaccinated and very healthy resident in her building (Several carers have refused the jab). So, her two next door neighbours were admitted to hospital before Christmas. One with a severe respiratory condition and the other with pneumonia. Both, as is my mum, were regularly tested for Covid-19 in the care home. They were in hospital for about three weeks and both died. Everyone in the care home was shocked to hear that Covid-19 was given as the cause of death when they were clearly really suffering with their given conditions. Last week my 'roofer' (we're getting our soffics done), who has had one jab, told me about his friend who died hours after getting his jab. He is now too scared to have his second jab and is a tough gypsy type of bloke. I'll not bore you with more scenarios but just to reaffirm that personally I have no fear of Covid itself but have rather a horror at the current agenda of coercion to mass vaccinate humanity with unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ for something that 99.7 % of people would recover from and thereby develop their own immunity to.
Not wanting to be rude to you but I sorry, I probably will be, the above reads from fanciful to total nonsense.
There have been numerous reports of people dying attributed to Covid, when relatives said it was not Covid. A number of people on CL have experienced it. The reason given was that if it they hadn't recently tested negative, then some doctors were assuming they had Covid. I've not heard this said as much recently, but it was said commonly, previously in this pandemic.
There have been numerous reports of people dying attributed to Covid, when relatives said it was not Covid. A number of people on CL have experienced it. The reason given was that if it they hadn't recently tested negative, then some doctors were assuming they had Covid. I've not heard this said as much recently, but it was said commonly, previously in this pandemic.
And the figures adjusted accordingly when the real cause of death is established. Why on Earth would the authorities want any deaths wrongly attributed to Covid ? In the final analysis the government will want as few deaths as possible pinned to a pandemic where they are accused of poor management.
If any of you work in care homes you will know that many 'normal' deaths, especially cancer, have been attributed to Covid-19. This is a fact not conspiracy. One of the ways Muslims arranged for quick release for their loved ones was to agree to having Covid-19 on the death certificate otherwise it would take days/weeks to release the body. Why don't you query the local council about how many deaths there were in 2020 and compare them to 2016/7/8/9 figures and you will get a true figure for 'excess deaths'. Leroy, there is no need to be insulting. My Masters degree probably trumps your qualifications - unless you have a doctorate. The thing is don't blindly trust everything this government says. There has been a nasty virus leaked from a laboratory in Wu hon - then the cover up. It begs the question why the scientists were fiddling around with such toxic materials in the first place.
Without wishing to stray into House of Commoners territory, I don't trust a word this government says. However, the facts you're disputing as part of your conspiracy theory don't just emanate from the government. Disregarding the words of mendacious politicians is one thing, but disregarding the evidentially-based views of experts (whose qualifications probably trump your Masters degree) is quite another.
I believe (not certain) that in the cases I'm referring to the deaths were recorded as Covid/with Covid, end of story. No further investigations were made. Lots of relatives were very upset by this. It's definitely been said by CL members, although not recently.
Yes Shooters, I was concerned by the TV coverage from India. The suffering was terrible. Three days ago I did a media search (mainly Google) to try to find out what the current situation is. Was it even worse? But it all seems to have gone quiet. Two friends of mine contacted their friends in India but they were fine and nothing going on in their cities. Weird. Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example. The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you! Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me. I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me. I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things. Over and out I think.
Yes Shooters, I was concerned by the TV coverage from India. The suffering was terrible. Three days ago I did a media search (mainly Google) to try to find out what the current situation is. Was it even worse? But it all seems to have gone quiet. Two friends of mine contacted their friends in India but they were fine and nothing going on in their cities. Weird. Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example. The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you! Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me. I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me. I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things. Over and out I think.
I can assure you nothing weird is occurring in India, they are struggling on a daily basis to contain the spread of the virus. Considering you stated you know 10 people who have had serious health issues from vaccine, it comes as no surprise you now know 2 people in India who are fine as is there entire city.
Yes Shooters, I was concerned by the TV coverage from India. The suffering was terrible. Three days ago I did a media search (mainly Google) to try to find out what the current situation is. Was it even worse? But it all seems to have gone quiet. Two friends of mine contacted their friends in India but they were fine and nothing going on in their cities. Weird. Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example. The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you! Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me. I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me. I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things. Over and out I think.
I can assure you nothing weird is occurring in India, they are struggling on a daily basis to contain the spread of the virus. Considering you stated you know 10 people who have had serious health issues from vaccine, it comes as no surprise you now know 2 people in India who are fine as is there entire city.
I know a lot of people in India, having worked there on several occasions, plus worked with many Indians in Singapore who have family back in India.
I am still in contact with quite a few of them ... and I fully agree with you that they have had, and are still having, severe problems with the virus. These are facts.
Yes Shooters, I was concerned by the TV coverage from India. The suffering was terrible. Three days ago I did a media search (mainly Google) to try to find out what the current situation is. Was it even worse? But it all seems to have gone quiet. Two friends of mine contacted their friends in India but they were fine and nothing going on in their cities. Weird. Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example. The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you! Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me. I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me. I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things. Over and out I think.
Why do you think millions of pounds have been spent on the vaccination programme, what have Governments around the world got to gain by vaccinating people, if not to protect them from a very serious disease?
You mentioned that you have a Masters Degree, may I ask what subject that was in?
Yes Shooters, I was concerned by the TV coverage from India. The suffering was terrible. Three days ago I did a media search (mainly Google) to try to find out what the current situation is. Was it even worse? But it all seems to have gone quiet. Two friends of mine contacted their friends in India but they were fine and nothing going on in their cities. Weird.
*Literally* the first thing that comes up when you Google 'India Covid Deaths':
Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example.
COVID CAUSES PNEUMONIA
The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you! Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me.
Nobody gives a shit about you or your health. We care about EVERYBODY ELSE'S health. If you haven't figured that out yet, you are a selfish, unimaginably dense cretin
I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me.
They aren't. Stop watching Youtube videos that are debunked within 5 minutes of Googling and taking them as fact. They are made by attention-seeking imbeciles who have as much familiarity with the scientific and statistical method as Karen on Facebook. None.
I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things. Over and out I think.
'Non-Hysterical'? I'd never heard of it until now. One look at it and the first five stories on the page tells you that it is complete, utter dogshit. If you are taking that as a credible source of news re: Covid, I weep for you. Truly.
Sorry - but if living through 16 months of this hasn't yet got you through the crisis of intelligence you face now, no amount of patient explanations or arms round the shoulder will help you.
Yes Shooters, I was concerned by the TV coverage from India. The suffering was terrible. Three days ago I did a media search (mainly Google) to try to find out what the current situation is. Was it even worse? But it all seems to have gone quiet. Two friends of mine contacted their friends in India but they were fine and nothing going on in their cities. Weird. Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example. The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you! Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me. I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me. I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things. Over and out I think.
I can assure you nothing weird is occurring in India, they are struggling on a daily basis to contain the spread of the virus. Considering you stated you know 10 people who have had serious health issues from vaccine, it comes as no surprise you now know 2 people in India who are fine as is there entire city.
I know a lot of people in India, having worked there on several occasions, plus worked with many Indians in Singapore who have family back in India.
I am still in contact with quite a few of them ... and I fully agree with you that they have had, and are still having, severe problems with the virus. These are facts.
Just to add to this, I have a very good Indian friend who's parents run a hospital (I believe in Chennai) and they've had an absolutely horrendous time recently. It's been really really bad and sounded a lot worse than anything we experienced in London.
Cheers Shooters. This is free speech as it should be. I doubt if the Chinese government will ever admit there was a leak. But, for sure I will not swallow the given story about wet markets and eating bats. I am surprised that you are in total denial about normal deaths being attributed to Covid. I have at least ten different sources giving me apparent facts and this is not me seeking them out, they just pop up in general conversation. One close to hand is from my 93 year old mother who lives in an independent care home. She is the only unvaccinated and very healthy resident in her building (Several carers have refused the jab). So, her two next door neighbours were admitted to hospital before Christmas. One with a severe respiratory condition and the other with pneumonia. Both, as is my mum, were regularly tested for Covid-19 in the care home. They were in hospital for about three weeks and both died. Everyone in the care home was shocked to hear that Covid-19 was given as the cause of death when they were clearly really suffering with their given conditions. Last week my 'roofer' (we're getting our soffics done), who has had one jab, told me about his friend who died hours after getting his jab. He is now too scared to have his second jab and is a tough gypsy type of bloke. I'll not bore you with more scenarios but just to reaffirm that personally I have no fear of Covid itself but have rather a horror at the current agenda of coercion to mass vaccinate humanity with unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ for something that 99.7 % of people would recover from and thereby develop their own immunity to.
It's good that we have people on here like you that rely on anecdotal evidence. Who needs science when we can rely on hearsay?
I'm surprised you haven't said Covid 19 is a myth yet but give it time.
Presumably you see all other vaccines as a waste of time.
I believe (not certain) that in the cases I'm referring to the deaths were recorded as Covid/with Covid, end of story. No further investigations were made. Lots of relatives were very upset by this. It's definitely been said by CL members, although not recently.
I’ve had first hand experience of this with father in law in January.
It’s been hard for my wife not knowing the real cause for certain.
Thankyou for answering my question as to whether you use a microwave. You told us in your post that you do not. I asked because my sister in law is also a vaccine sceptic and subscribes to pretty much every conspiracy theory out there including 9/11 and that the school shootings in the USA are not true and those shown as grieving friends and parents are paid actors. With regards to the use of microwaves I would be fascinated to learn why not. Do you have any science in your background ? You do know that microwaves are just part of the electromagnetic spectrum. High energy radio waves. All perfectly natural and no more of a mystery than white light or X-rays. When you turn off the microwave oven the microwaves stop just in the same way that when you turn off a light switch the light goes out. The microwaves themselves just agitate the food molecules causing them to heat up. Cooking or heating the food. There are no microwaves residual within the food or measurable within the appliance. That’s a simple science lesson and one that for the life of me I can’t fathom why anyone would be sceptical of it. I’m hoping you can explain because I can’t get a sensible answer from my sister in law. I’m assuming that you don’t subscribe to the other stuff she does although not believing that India is not still in the grip of a Covid crisis is a bit strange to me. I hope you take this post as a genuine enquiry and not as some criticism because I am fascinated by this.
Cheers Shooters. This is free speech as it should be. I doubt if the Chinese government will ever admit there was a leak. But, for sure I will not swallow the given story about wet markets and eating bats. I am surprised that you are in total denial about normal deaths being attributed to Covid. I have at least ten different sources giving me apparent facts and this is not me seeking them out, they just pop up in general conversation. One close to hand is from my 93 year old mother who lives in an independent care home. She is the only unvaccinated and very healthy resident in her building (Several carers have refused the jab). So, her two next door neighbours were admitted to hospital before Christmas. One with a severe respiratory condition and the other with pneumonia. Both, as is my mum, were regularly tested for Covid-19 in the care home. They were in hospital for about three weeks and both died. Everyone in the care home was shocked to hear that Covid-19 was given as the cause of death when they were clearly really suffering with their given conditions. Last week my 'roofer' (we're getting our soffics done), who has had one jab, told me about his friend who died hours after getting his jab. He is now too scared to have his second jab and is a tough gypsy type of bloke. I'll not bore you with more scenarios but just to reaffirm that personally I have no fear of Covid itself but have rather a horror at the current agenda of coercion to mass vaccinate humanity with unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ for something that 99.7 % of people would recover from and thereby develop their own immunity to.
For someone with a masters degree I feel you are giving far too much weight to second and third hand anecdotal evidence in your evaluation of the situation.
I feel I should say that if I was on your Mother’s care team, I would be having a full and frank discussion with her without you or other families present about her refusal to have the vaccine (assuming she has capacity to make this descision). If I felt there was any level of coercion by family members or others against her having a vaccine that could save her life, I would consider a safe guarding referral particularly if I felt there was potential financial gain such as an inheritance.
I believe (not certain) that in the cases I'm referring to the deaths were recorded as Covid/with Covid, end of story. No further investigations were made. Lots of relatives were very upset by this. It's definitely been said by CL members, although not recently.
I’ve had first hand experience of this with father in law in January.
It’s been hard for my wife not knowing the real cause for certain.
Thanks, I knew a number of CL members have said this. There was an explanation but I can't recall what it was. It was something along the lines of doctors being told/advised to put the death down as Covid, if they knew they hadn't recently tested negative. This may/may not have been solely relating to deaths in care homes.
But what is the evidence? I would actually believe first hand stories from wolfman rather than what the media tell you. How would one decifer Which is more factual other than doing your own Research? Funny how Trump got laughed out of town for saying it was a lab leak but now that creepy Joe is investigating it is headline news.
Astra Zeneca side effects round two: generally milder than last time (the arm that I had the shot in is nowhere near as achy) but weirdly my arthritis has flared up, particularly in my hands. Not sure if that's a coincidence, or the vaccine provoking an inflammatory response that's gone into overdrive in the areas where I already have one.
But what is the evidence? I would actually believe first hand stories from wolfman rather than what the media tell you. How would one decifer Which is more factual other than doing your own Research? Funny how Trump got laughed out of town for saying it was a lab leak but now that creepy Joe is investigating it is headline news.
But what is the evidence? I would actually believe first hand stories from wolfman rather than what the media tell you. How would one decifer Which is more factual other than doing your own Research? Funny how Trump got laughed out of town for saying it was a lab leak but now that creepy Joe is investigating it is headline news.
What about what scientists tell you ?
Nah, always best to follow the advice of wolfboy's gypsy builder rather than scientists
But what is the evidence? I would actually believe first hand stories from wolfman rather than what the media tell you. How would one decifer Which is more factual other than doing your own Research? Funny how Trump got laughed out of town for saying it was a lab leak but now that creepy Joe is investigating it is headline news.
You might want to go back and read through the 74 pages of this thread, where tons and tons of first hand stories have been posted from those on the front line, working in hospitals etc, which shows the opposite of what wolfman has been recently posting.
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For example, I would be fully in favour of all new NHS & Caring employment contracts having a covid vaccination requirement included immediately, subject to vaccine being available for anyone with a job offer in those fields.
I think changing existing contracts might require greater thought. There could be unintended consequences. The situation for those making foreign business trips, including cross-border lorry drivers, flight crew, etc. might need to be treated in a similar way.
There are many things people might like to do but are not essential for life and livelihood. If these involve mass gatherings in confined spaces, then restricting participation to those who are vaccinated seems to me a sensible and proportionate move. Anti-vax people might not like it, but it is their choice - much like those who choose to refuse blood transfusions, or make any other life-style choice. Choices come with consequences.
I would include foreign holidays and family visits abroad in this; from the start these have been recognised as a major vector for spreading the virus between countries, and now for variants of concern. I believe this restriction is already being applied by cruise operators, even for cruises in home waters.
I am surprised that you are in total denial about normal deaths being attributed to Covid. I have at least ten different sources giving me apparent facts and this is not me seeking them out, they just pop up in general conversation. One close to hand is from my 93 year old mother who lives in an independent care home. She is the only unvaccinated and very healthy resident in her building (Several carers have refused the jab). So, her two next door neighbours were admitted to hospital before Christmas. One with a severe respiratory condition and the other with pneumonia. Both, as is my mum, were regularly tested for Covid-19 in the care home. They were in hospital for about three weeks and both died. Everyone in the care home was shocked to hear that Covid-19 was given as the cause of death when they were clearly really suffering with their given conditions.
Last week my 'roofer' (we're getting our soffics done), who has had one jab, told me about his friend who died hours after getting his jab. He is now too scared to have his second jab and is a tough gypsy type of bloke.
I'll not bore you with more scenarios but just to reaffirm that personally I have no fear of Covid itself but have rather a horror at the current agenda of coercion to mass vaccinate humanity with unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ for something that 99.7 % of people would recover from and thereby develop their own immunity to.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/twickenham-stadium-vaccination-centre-walk-in-booking/
What do these people do though when it comes to the second jab
Where / when do they go?
I'm assuming that as their NHS record will be updated with details of the first jab they will be able to book the second online as normal.
A number of people on CL have experienced it.
The reason given was that if it they hadn't recently tested negative, then some doctors were assuming they had Covid.
I've not heard this said as much recently, but it was said commonly, previously in this pandemic.
Without wishing to stray into House of Commoners territory, I don't trust a word this government says. However, the facts you're disputing as part of your conspiracy theory don't just emanate from the government. Disregarding the words of mendacious politicians is one thing, but disregarding the evidentially-based views of experts (whose qualifications probably trump your Masters degree) is quite another.
It's definitely been said by CL members, although not recently.
Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example. The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you!
Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me.
I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me.
I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things.
Over and out I think.
You mentioned that you have a Masters Degree, may I ask what subject that was in?
I'm surprised you haven't said Covid 19 is a myth yet but give it time.
Presumably you see all other vaccines as a waste of time.
Who needs science, medicine etc?
Thankyou for answering my question as to whether you use a microwave. You told us in your post that you do not. I asked because my sister in law is also a vaccine sceptic and subscribes to pretty much every conspiracy theory out there including 9/11 and that the school shootings in the USA are not true and those shown as grieving friends and parents are paid actors. With regards to the use of microwaves I would be fascinated to learn why not. Do you have any science in your background ? You do know that microwaves are just part of the electromagnetic spectrum. High energy radio waves. All perfectly natural and no more of a mystery than white light or X-rays. When you turn off the microwave oven the microwaves stop just in the same way that when you turn off a light switch the light goes out. The microwaves themselves just agitate the food molecules causing them to heat up. Cooking or heating the food. There are no microwaves residual within the food or measurable within the appliance. That’s a simple science lesson and one that for the life of me I can’t fathom why anyone would be sceptical of it. I’m hoping you can explain because I can’t get a sensible answer from my sister in law. I’m assuming that you don’t subscribe to the other stuff she does although not believing that India is not still in the grip of a Covid crisis is a bit strange to me. I hope you take this post as a genuine enquiry and not as some criticism because I am fascinated by this.
I feel I should say that if I was on your Mother’s care team, I would be having a full and frank discussion with her without you or other families present about her refusal to have the vaccine (assuming she has capacity to make this descision). If I felt there was any level of coercion by family members or others against her having a vaccine that could save her life, I would consider a safe guarding referral particularly if I felt there was potential financial gain such as an inheritance.
There was an explanation but I can't recall what it was.
It was something along the lines of doctors being told/advised to put the death down as Covid, if they knew they hadn't recently tested negative.
This may/may not have been solely relating to deaths in care homes.