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Don’t forget his two friends that said India is fine!HarryLime said:
Nah, always best to follow the advice of wolfboy's gypsy builder rather than scientistsShootersHillGuru said:
What about what scientists tell you ?Cafcmunich said:But what is the evidence? I would actually believe first hand stories from wolfman rather than what the media tell you. How would one decifer Which is more factual other than doing your own Research? Funny how Trump got laughed out of town for saying it was a lab leak but now that creepy Joe is investigating it is headline news.4 -
America has a trade war amongst many of problems with China. Both sides try to muddy the other side, it’s politics. Joe will try to do best by Americans just as Don said he would. Although Don did say many things worthy of being laughed out of town.Cafcmunich said:Funny how Trump got laughed out of town for saying it was a lab leak but now that creepy Joe is investigating it is headline news.0 -
So the first hand reports I receive from friends and ex-colleagues in India are not evidence according to your interpretation?Cafcmunich said:But what is the evidence? I would actually believe first hand stories from wolfman rather than what the media tell you. How would one decifer Which is more factual other than doing your own Research? Funny how Trump got laughed out of town for saying it was a lab leak but now that creepy Joe is investigating it is headline news.1 -
I keep getting a headache & feel ridiculously tired. I had the 2nd jab 10 days ago.aliwibble said:Astra Zeneca side effects round two: generally milder than last time (the arm that I had the shot in is nowhere near as achy) but weirdly my arthritis has flared up, particularly in my hands. Not sure if that's a coincidence, or the vaccine provoking an inflammatory response that's gone into overdrive in the areas where I already have one.0 -
The bits I've highlighted shows a fundamental lack of understanding of basic science.thewolfboy said:Yes Shooters, I was concerned by the TV coverage from India. The suffering was terrible. Three days ago I did a media search (mainly Google) to try to find out what the current situation is. Was it even worse? But it all seems to have gone quiet. Two friends of mine contacted their friends in India but they were fine and nothing going on in their cities. Weird.
Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example. The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you!
Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me.
I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me.
I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things.
Over and out I think.
In the case you've given the doctor likely decided that in their expert opinion what they were seeing was COVID induced pneumonia despite the negative test. In that case COVID would have been presented on the death certificate as one of a number of contributory factors rather than as main cause of death.
I've explained in great detail back when this debate was actually relevant, my missus (who has a masters in epidemiology since we are throwing around qualifications) was involved in setting up the reporting, collating and data publishing system if covid deaths at the start of the first wave. She is confident that the system works. You can question the definition of a COVID death and what should or shouldn't be included as a death but there is no way that deaths are being put as covid for quick release of the body or any other ridiculous reason. Its not even possible unless you have a dodgy doctor.
None of this (or the crap about where the virus originated from) is actually relevant to your original assertion that the vaccine was killing people. Which given your lack of understanding of basic science I'm gonna go out on a limb and say is bullshit.14 -
Why has your 93 year old mother not been vaccinated?thewolfboy said:Cheers Shooters. This is free speech as it should be. I doubt if the Chinese government will ever admit there was a leak. But, for sure I will not swallow the given story about wet markets and eating bats.
I am surprised that you are in total denial about normal deaths being attributed to Covid. I have at least ten different sources giving me apparent facts and this is not me seeking them out, they just pop up in general conversation. One close to hand is from my 93 year old mother who lives in an independent care home. She is the only unvaccinated and very healthy resident in her building (Several carers have refused the jab). So, her two next door neighbours were admitted to hospital before Christmas. One with a severe respiratory condition and the other with pneumonia. Both, as is my mum, were regularly tested for Covid-19 in the care home. They were in hospital for about three weeks and both died. Everyone in the care home was shocked to hear that Covid-19 was given as the cause of death when they were clearly really suffering with their given conditions.
Last week my 'roofer' (we're getting our soffics done), who has had one jab, told me about his friend who died hours after getting his jab. He is now too scared to have his second jab and is a tough gypsy type of bloke.
I'll not bore you with more scenarios but just to reaffirm that personally I have no fear of Covid itself but have rather a horror at the current agenda of coercion to mass vaccinate humanity with unlicensed and experimental ‘medicine’ for something that 99.7 % of people would recover from and thereby develop their own immunity to.0 -
The trouble is a sector of the population seem to have given up on science and rely on half-baked anecdotes and conspiracy theories instead. Sadly their number seems to be growing.cantersaddick said:
The bits I've highlighted shows a fundamental lack of understanding of basic science.thewolfboy said:Yes Shooters, I was concerned by the TV coverage from India. The suffering was terrible. Three days ago I did a media search (mainly Google) to try to find out what the current situation is. Was it even worse? But it all seems to have gone quiet. Two friends of mine contacted their friends in India but they were fine and nothing going on in their cities. Weird.
Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example. The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you!
Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me.
I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me.
I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things.
Over and out I think.
In the case you've given the doctor likely decided that in their expert opinion what they were seeing was COVID induced pneumonia despite the negative test. In that case COVID would have been presented on the death certificate as one of a number of contributory factors rather than as main cause of death.
I've explained in great detail back when this debate was actually relevant, my missus (who has a masters in epidemiology since we are throwing around qualifications) was involved in setting up the reporting, collating and data publishing system if covid deaths at the start of the first wave. She is confident that the system works. You can question the definition of a COVID death and what should or shouldn't be included as a death but there is no way that deaths are being put as covid for quick release of the body or any other ridiculous reason. Its not even possible unless you have a dodgy doctor.
None of this (or the crap about where the virus originated from) is actually relevant to your original assertion that the vaccine was killing people. Which given your lack of understanding of basic science I'm gonna go out on a limb and say is bullshit.
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Happily, I don't think that's true. I think it's more a case of them being able to find each other more easily because of the Internet.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
The trouble is a sector of the population seem to have given up on science and rely on half-baked anecdotes and conspiracy theories instead. Sadly their number seems to be growing.cantersaddick said:
The bits I've highlighted shows a fundamental lack of understanding of basic science.thewolfboy said:Yes Shooters, I was concerned by the TV coverage from India. The suffering was terrible. Three days ago I did a media search (mainly Google) to try to find out what the current situation is. Was it even worse? But it all seems to have gone quiet. Two friends of mine contacted their friends in India but they were fine and nothing going on in their cities. Weird.
Re the Doctors; with all this false positive nonsense I'm guessing the Doctors found Covid in the system of the two old ladies that were sent to hospital with serious ailments. It beggars belief that Covid was given as the cause of death rather than pneumonia for example. The alarm bells went off in the old peoples home that I can assure you!
Keston - what I wrote is absolutely true. I am concerned that people are now running around with stuff in their blood that may (or may not) harm them later on in life - I certainly hope not! We'll have to wait and see. That is the risk you take. Personally I live a healthy lifestyle, no booze, no meat (no microwave) lots of vitamins - boring I know but if I catch this virus then I am confident that my body will survive. When I stated this last year you all dissed me as a nutter. Well so be it, I am a Charlton fan after all, but importantly all my family are healthy and they have the same values as me.
I have an open mind to these conspiracy theories. They seem far fetched to me. That someone could deliberately release a killer virus seems absurd but why are eminent scientists, including Nobel prize winners suddenly silenced when they object to government policy. Things like that bother me.
I have recently started watching UK Column which takes a non-hysterical approach to these virus issues. It's worth a look if only to see the other side of things.
Over and out I think.
In the case you've given the doctor likely decided that in their expert opinion what they were seeing was COVID induced pneumonia despite the negative test. In that case COVID would have been presented on the death certificate as one of a number of contributory factors rather than as main cause of death.
I've explained in great detail back when this debate was actually relevant, my missus (who has a masters in epidemiology since we are throwing around qualifications) was involved in setting up the reporting, collating and data publishing system if covid deaths at the start of the first wave. She is confident that the system works. You can question the definition of a COVID death and what should or shouldn't be included as a death but there is no way that deaths are being put as covid for quick release of the body or any other ridiculous reason. Its not even possible unless you have a dodgy doctor.
None of this (or the crap about where the virus originated from) is actually relevant to your original assertion that the vaccine was killing people. Which given your lack of understanding of basic science I'm gonna go out on a limb and say is bullshit.
At least I hope it's not true. Because otherwise, with the current apparent rate of decline, we'll be plunged into mediaeval darkness in the next twenty years.2 -
There wolf.Johnnysummers5 said:thewolfboy said:Why is there a correlation between the vaccination roll-out and Covid-19 mortality? A number of unusual death events have been reported in care homes across the country since the beginning of the vaccine rollout. Officially, any connection to the vaccines has been denied and they have all been taken as evidence of the spread of new variant COVID–19.
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It’s definitely the internet. So easy to look up anything that you don’t know or understand and get an answer. Just as easy to manipulate people with misinformation.2 - Sponsored links:
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Point of information, @s@ShootersHillGuru, microwaves in a microwave oven agitate the oxygen-hydrogen bond in water (which may be in the food or surrounding it), not the molecules of the food itself.ShootersHillGuru said:@thewolfboy
Thankyou for answering my question as to whether you use a microwave. You told us in your post that you do not. I asked because my sister in law is also a vaccine sceptic and subscribes to pretty much every conspiracy theory out there including 9/11 and that the school shootings in the USA are not true and those shown as grieving friends and parents are paid actors. With regards to the use of microwaves I would be fascinated to learn why not. Do you have any science in your background ? You do know that microwaves are just part of the electromagnetic spectrum. High energy radio waves. All perfectly natural and no more of a mystery than white light or X-rays. When you turn off the microwave oven the microwaves stop just in the same way that when you turn off a light switch the light goes out. The microwaves themselves just agitate the food molecules causing them to heat up. Cooking or heating the food. There are no microwaves residual within the food or measurable within the appliance. That’s a simple science lesson and one that for the life of me I can’t fathom why anyone would be sceptical of it. I’m hoping you can explain because I can’t get a sensible answer from my sister in law. I’m assuming that you don’t subscribe to the other stuff she does although not believing that India is not still in the grip of a Covid crisis is a bit strange to me. I hope you take this post as a genuine enquiry and not as some criticism because I am fascinated by this.
Edit: having just looked this up to check I hadn't mis-remembered, the FDA agrees with me:
https://www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/resources-you-radiation-emitting-products/microwave-oven-radiation
whereas NASA has a slightly different explanation:
https://science.nasa.gov/ems/06_microwaves
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Point of information, @s@ShootersHillGuru, microwaves in a microwave oven agitate the oxygen-hydrogen bond in water (which may be in the food or surrounding it), not the molecules of the food itself.ShootersHillGuru said:@thewolfboy
Thankyou for answering my question as to whether you use a microwave. You told us in your post that you do not. I asked because my sister in law is also a vaccine sceptic and subscribes to pretty much every conspiracy theory out there including 9/11 and that the school shootings in the USA are not true and those shown as grieving friends and parents are paid actors. With regards to the use of microwaves I would be fascinated to learn why not. Do you have any science in your background ? You do know that microwaves are just part of the electromagnetic spectrum. High energy radio waves. All perfectly natural and no more of a mystery than white light or X-rays. When you turn off the microwave oven the microwaves stop just in the same way that when you turn off a light switch the light goes out. The microwaves themselves just agitate the food molecules causing them to heat up. Cooking or heating the food. There are no microwaves residual within the food or measurable within the appliance. That’s a simple science lesson and one that for the life of me I can’t fathom why anyone would be sceptical of it. I’m hoping you can explain because I can’t get a sensible answer from my sister in law. I’m assuming that you don’t subscribe to the other stuff she does although not believing that India is not still in the grip of a Covid crisis is a bit strange to me. I hope you take this post as a genuine enquiry and not as some criticism because I am fascinated by this.
Edit: having just looked this up to check I hadn't mis-remembered, the FDA agrees with me:
https://www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/resources-you-radiation-emitting-products/microwave-oven-radiation
whereas NASA has a slightly different explanation:
https://science.nasa.gov/ems/06_microwaves
The oxygen/hydrogen bond is a molecule. Any bond between two or more different atoms is a molecule. If that oxygen/hydrogen molecule is within the “body” of the food then the microwaves are agitating a molecule within the food. Varying parts of a body are made up from various amounts of water. Roughly between 60 - 80% Mea Culpa for not adding that you could place a food within a body of water and achieve the same effect. Not heard an argument that water (H2O) when found within food is not classed as part of the food itself.0 -
A Brazilian town has seen a 95% drop in Covid-19 deaths after almost all adults were vaccinated as part of an experiment, researchers say.
Serrana, with 45,000 inhabitants, saw cases plunge after a mass vaccination with the Chinese-developed CoronaVac.
The team said those who had not been vaccinated were also protected by the reduction in the virus's circulation.
The findings suggest the pandemic can be controlled after 75% of people are fully dosed.
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There is a program tonight on Channel 4 which may be interesting:
The Anti-Vax Conspiracy - 01 Jun 2021 - 9:00pm - 10:30pmSUMMARY - Who are the people behind the international anti-Covid-vaccine movement and why are they doing it? This journey inside the astonishing world of the anti-vaxxers finds out.1 -
I will definitely watch it.N01R4M said:There is a program tonight on Channel 4 which may be interesting:
The Anti-Vax Conspiracy - 01 Jun 2021 - 9:00pm - 10:30pmSUMMARY - Who are the people behind the international anti-Covid-vaccine movement and why are they doing it? This journey inside the astonishing world of the anti-vaxxers finds out.0 -
And the anti vaxxers will just claim that it’s all part of the conspiracy.N01R4M said:There is a program tonight on Channel 4 which may be interesting:
The Anti-Vax Conspiracy - 01 Jun 2021 - 9:00pm - 10:30pmSUMMARY - Who are the people behind the international anti-Covid-vaccine movement and why are they doing it? This journey inside the astonishing world of the anti-vaxxers finds out.0 -
Wakefield is a really nasty piece of work.8
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Good to see Trump is a fan of Andrew Wakefield.0
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Could not agree more. I think the damage he has done to trust in vaccines with his faked evidence for his own gain is horrific and deserves far more sanction that just being struck off the medical register. The impact of his self serving agenda has cost many lives to date and in my view would warrant spending the rest of his life behind bars, it is a shame that our laws do not provide for this.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Wakefield is a really nasty piece of work.
In addition to that as the parent of a child with autism, I find his promotion of phoney cures and treatments abhorrent. So many people would dearly love to find some fix to open the door for a better life for their children, but sadly this is not possible in the form of some miracle cure and to suggest otherwise is dangerous, cruel and morally corrupt. The man is a stain in the human race.17 -
Exploiting parents in this way is a disgrace. Wakefield is an utter charlatan and his arrogance is shocking.Gary Poole said:
Could not agree more. I think the damage he has done to trust in vaccines with his faked evidence for his own gain is horrific and deserves far more sanction that just being struck off the medical register. The impact of his self serving agenda has cost many lives to date and in my view would warrant spending the rest of his life behind bars, it is a shame that our laws do not provide for this.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Wakefield is a really nasty piece of work.
In addition to that as the parent of a child with autism, I find his promotion of phoney cures and treatments abhorrent. So many people would dearly love to find some fix to open the door for a better life for their children, but sadly this is not possible in the form of some miracle cure and to suggest otherwise is dangerous, cruel and morally corrupt. The man is a stain in the human race.1 - Sponsored links:
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The sad thing is that there will be people that are watching this, that won’t take part in the vaccine program now. Not entirely comfortable that channel 4 are showing this now. But as the wife just said, they’re not going to show it when there’s not a global vaccination program happening.0
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Why? You'd have to be bonkers to watch this and support the anti-vax movement.stop_shouting said:The sad thing is that there will be people that are watching this, that won’t take part in the vaccine program now. Not entirely comfortable that channel 4 are showing this now. But as the wife just said, they’re not going to show it when there’s not a global vaccination program happening.2 -
Sorry, did I just hear that right, now the Cnut is shagging Elle Macpherson? Well if so I hope she has a syphilitic minge and he suffers terribly
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She's as mad as him. Another arrogant deluded person.Gary Poole said:Sorry, did I just hear that right, now the Cnut is shagging Elle Macpherson? Well if so I hope she has a syphilitic minge and he suffers terribly0 -
But there clearly are a lot of bonkers people. And here’s piers corbyn 🤬🤬🤬hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Why? You'd have to be bonkers to watch this and support the anti-vax movement.stop_shouting said:The sad thing is that there will be people that are watching this, that won’t take part in the vaccine program now. Not entirely comfortable that channel 4 are showing this now. But as the wife just said, they’re not going to show it when there’s not a global vaccination program happening.1 -
Clearly. That’s it I’m taking her off the list of potential future wives should any tragedy fall upon the current Mrs Poole ;-)hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
She's as mad as him. Another arrogant deluded person.Gary Poole said:Sorry, did I just hear that right, now the Cnut is shagging Elle Macpherson? Well if so I hope she has a syphilitic minge and he suffers terribly7 -
Gary Poole said:
Could not agree more. I think the damage he has done to trust in vaccines with his faked evidence for his own gain is horrific and deserves far more sanction that just being struck off the medical register. The impact of his self serving agenda has cost many lives to date and in my view would warrant spending the rest of his life behind bars, it is a shame that our laws do not provide for this.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Wakefield is a really nasty piece of work.
In addition to that as the parent of a child with autism, I find his promotion of phoney cures and treatments abhorrent. So many people would dearly love to find some fix to open the door for a better life for their children, but sadly this is not possible in the form of some miracle cure and to suggest otherwise is dangerous, cruel and morally corrupt. The man is a stain in the human race.
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If one of the final statistics in that documentary is true that 1 in 3 people worldwide will decline the vaccine then going forward I definitely believe that when a virus much worse than Covid comes along and it probably will at some point then human life on this planet is in real jeopardy.0
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Caught the end of that programme, there are some mad but dangerous people out there and unfortunately many people are listening to them.0
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A lot of the vaccine programs will fail if uptake keeps falling - the consequences as you say will be frightening.ShootersHillGuru said:If one of the final statistics in that documentary is true that 1 in 3 people worldwide will decline the vaccine then going forward I definitely believe that when a virus much worse than Covid comes along and it probably will at some point then human life on this planet is in real jeopardy.
Wakefield came across as a psychopath.0
