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England Cricket 2021 (excluding Ashes)

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  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,934
    Looking forward to Wood and Broad smashing centuries today.
    Not quite but Wood batting like a cross between Bell and Buttler before going for 40
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Love watching wood bowl and love watching him bat. Properly exciting cricketer. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,738
    A wicket for Fanny ! 

    Just yawned, saying this is getting boring now, adding that wickets are few & far between for Broady , then YES !!!
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Broad is looking like he’s back to his best
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    I can't recall a keeper not catching/taking the ball cleanly as often as Bracey.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,934
    I think thats out but its not getting given

  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    Yeah I reckon Conway was out. Fingers were under the ball for me.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Enough doubt for it to be not out for me. Whilst he undoubtedly got a couple of fingers under it did look like it just bounced. Not conclusive either way mind. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,738
    Nothing going Zak's way in this Test....
  • Pamela Anderson look-a-likes causing a bit of a stir.

     

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  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    I can't recall a keeper not catching/taking the ball cleanly as often as Bracey.
    even bairstow was better. 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,934
    I can't recall a keeper not catching/taking the ball cleanly as often as Bracey.
    even bairstow was better. 
    Dare I say Pope was better
  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    Routine slip catch dropped by Root.
    As my late dad used to say "drop catches lose matches"
    Yesterday a stat was given out about slip catch %'s New Zealand top of the table with in excess of 90%, England 3rd from bottom on  77%
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,795
    edited June 2021
    Ollie Robinson (Kent) is one of best young England keepers. His development as a batsman has been somewhat stifled by having to bat at 6 in the County Championship but he is now opening and has had scores of 43, 14 and 120 doing so. I'm certainly not saying that Ollie is ready as a Test batsman yet though he wouldn't be far behind Bracey in that respect. 

    But if we are talking about pure glove work there are few better. An example of this is the catch that he took the other night down the leg side off Darren Stevens to dismiss D'Arcy Short. Ollie has to adopt a wide stance to get a view of the ball because Stevens is bowling across the left hander - the hands go first and are followed by the head and body rather than the old style of getting the body across first:

    https://live.nvplay.com/ecb/#ve52bb638-311d-4572-a581-1f1eb2ede5c6
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,795
    Even some white ball slogging in the Blast and 100 would surely help Zak at least get some bat on ball
    As I said during the last Test, it's Crawley's shot selection that has become the issue. You don't score 267 without having the patience and skill to bat for a very very long time. But you have to earn the right to do that. 

    I firmly believe that, actually, it is playing white ball cricket that it the problem. In this and the last Test Crawley was caught throwing his hands at wide balls with no semblance of foot movement. If he goes back to doing that in the T20s he will be rewarded for playing that way because there won't be a 3rd slip. From age group cricket to the senior team very little time is spent training for the longer form of the game. It is all about power plays, scenario batting, where are my scoring options, hitting big etc etc. This and when the CC is played is why we produce so few top 3 bats.

    Crawley is a naturally attacking player but just needs to rein that in, especially early doors and play the percentages. My worry is that, with so few CC games at this time of year he will go back to hitting in T20s and mentally not be in the right place for a return to Test cricket. 


  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    Conway out for 80.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,855
    Even some white ball slogging in the Blast and 100 would surely help Zak at least get some bat on ball
    As I said during the last Test, it's Crawley's shot selection that has become the issue. You don't score 267 without having the patience and skill to bat for a very very long time. But you have to earn the right to do that. 

    I firmly believe that, actually, it is playing white ball cricket that it the problem. In this and the last Test Crawley was caught throwing his hands at wide balls with no semblance of foot movement. If he goes back to doing that in the T20s he will be rewarded for playing that way because there won't be a 3rd slip. From age group cricket to the senior team very little time is spent training for the longer form of the game. It is all about power plays, scenario batting, where are my scoring options, hitting big etc etc. This and when the CC is played is why we produce so few top 3 bats.

    Crawley is a naturally attacking player but just needs to rein that in, especially early doors and play the percentages. My worry is that, with so few CC games at this time of year he will go back to hitting in T20s and mentally not be in the right place for a return to Test cricket. 


    But then Zak has played no white ball cricket since last summer

    He's not in any of the  overseas franchises, and this summer for Kent has just played red ball cricket. Unsuccessfully.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,680
    I have to say Stone looks pretty poor to me.
    If all the England pace and seam bowlers were available I'd have him at about 10th pick at best.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,680
    If he grabs a wicket now you know who to thank😙
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,795
    Even some white ball slogging in the Blast and 100 would surely help Zak at least get some bat on ball
    As I said during the last Test, it's Crawley's shot selection that has become the issue. You don't score 267 without having the patience and skill to bat for a very very long time. But you have to earn the right to do that. 

    I firmly believe that, actually, it is playing white ball cricket that it the problem. In this and the last Test Crawley was caught throwing his hands at wide balls with no semblance of foot movement. If he goes back to doing that in the T20s he will be rewarded for playing that way because there won't be a 3rd slip. From age group cricket to the senior team very little time is spent training for the longer form of the game. It is all about power plays, scenario batting, where are my scoring options, hitting big etc etc. This and when the CC is played is why we produce so few top 3 bats.

    Crawley is a naturally attacking player but just needs to rein that in, especially early doors and play the percentages. My worry is that, with so few CC games at this time of year he will go back to hitting in T20s and mentally not be in the right place for a return to Test cricket. 


    But then Zak has played no white ball cricket since last summer

    He's not in any of the  overseas franchises, and this summer for Kent has just played red ball cricket. Unsuccessfully.
    I'm saying that his relative failings in the Tests and CC it is an historic legacy of the way he and others practice now. It is so difficult to switch from the mentality of playing red to white ball and back again especially when we play all our CC matches in seamer friendly conditions and that stops you from "having a track to run on". 

    Crawley is an attacking batsman by nature (has a strike rate of 53.58 in Test Cricket compared to Sibley's 34.94 for example), did well in T20 last season and as a result is in The Hundred too so I doubt whether, at the age of 23, he would happy to give up playing white ball cricket - and why should he with an average of 31 in T20 and strike rate of 150? But he has to learn, early on especially, not to throw his hands at the ball in red ball cricket because four of five catchers are waiting for him to do just that.


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  • I have to say Stone looks pretty poor to me.
    If all the England pace and seam bowlers were available I'd have him at about 10th pick at best.
    I’ve seen Stone bowl a few times live and never rated him that highly. Even when I saw him take 7 wickets at Edgbaston v Sussex, he bowled a lot of dross at times. I think 10th might be generous, but maybe I’m missing something.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    I have to say Stone looks pretty poor to me.
    If all the England pace and seam bowlers were available I'd have him at about 10th pick at best.
    I’ve seen Stone bowl a few times live and never rated him that highly. Even when I saw him take 7 wickets at Edgbaston v Sussex, he bowled a lot of dross at times. I think 10th might be generous, but maybe I’m missing something.
    i have to say he hasn't impressed me at all either in the few times i've seen him play.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,680
    Get in 
    We needed that
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    Will Young left right now, last ball of the day.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,680
    New ball due early tomorrow. 
    Without stating the obvious we have to make the most of it.
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    Dan the Man
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,680
    Dan the Man
    He runs Charlton life but you can't give him credit for that. 
    Brown nosing at it's worse 
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    Dan the Man
    He runs Charlton life but you can't give him credit for that. 
    Brown nosing at it's worse 

    I never knew he was that desperate.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,855
    I have to say Stone looks pretty poor to me.
    If all the England pace and seam bowlers were available I'd have him at about 10th pick at best.
    Unless the conditions really suit him, Robinson looks a much better bowler

    And of course Jack Leach should have played anyway. It's a shame that none of England's top 6 can bowl part time medium pacers, to provide a 4th seam option. Instead with Root being a (decent) part time spinner it's tempting to then leave the spinner out.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,319
    Overton is twice the cricketer Stone is, but for semi-understandable political reasons they didn't pick him. Really should have been Leach in that case yes