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  • Vaccinations in London Care Homes

    NHS statistics from 777 care homes in London that have reported data shows:

    • Total number of residents in London's care homes is 22,825, the lowest of any region in England,
    • They have 35,181 staff members
    • 21,291 (93%) of residents and 26,904 (77%) staff members have had at least a first dose of the vaccine by 13 June
    • 343 care homes have reported 80% of staff and 90% of residents have had 1st dose (44%), while 179 care homes have had the second dose (23%)
    • 54% of homes have 80% of staff that have had the first dose
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57573142
    Chart showing care home staff vaccination rates in England
  • That stat for care home staff is troubling, I can guess at all kinds of reasons but talk about creating unnecessary risk
  • edited June 2021
    clive said:

    Vaccinations in London Care Homes

    NHS statistics from 777 care homes in London that have reported data shows:

    • Total number of residents in London's care homes is 22,825, the lowest of any region in England,
    • They have 35,181 staff members
    • 21,291 (93%) of residents and 26,904 (77%) staff members have had at least a first dose of the vaccine by 13 June
    • 343 care homes have reported 80% of staff and 90% of residents have had 1st dose (44%), while 179 care homes have had the second dose (23%)
    • 54% of homes have 80% of staff that have had the first dose
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57573142
    Chart showing care home staff vaccination rates in England
    I’m staggered by those figures. I have no idea why this is so poor. Care home staff are poorly paid and there are a lot of immigrant workers filling those caring roles. We know that uptake of vaccine is lower among some ethnic groups but I wasn’t aware that young Eastern European workers who fill many of the care jobs were vaccine sceptic. This really needs to be addressed. Or is there another reason ? 
  • My son caught it watching the football outside in a Bournemouth pub with some friends. His uni mate told him he was positive and my son did the test and he too was positive. 
  • My son caught it watching the football outside in a Bournemouth pub with some friends. His uni mate told him he was positive and my son did the test and he too was positive. 
    Does he feel ill, or asymptomatic ?
  • edited June 2021
    He has lost his sense of taste and smell. He felt a bit fluey for a short time when he first got it but other than that feels fine now.
  • Pop-up Vaccine clinics latest

    Abbey Wood, Greenwich

    • Location: Abbey Wood Park, Finchale Road, London, SE2 9PG
    • Day and time: Thursday 1 July, 10am – 4pm
    • Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
    • Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.

    Coldharbour, Greenwich

    • Location: William Barefoot Drive, Coldharbour Estate London, SE9 3JD
    • Day and time  : Friday 2 July, 10am – 4pm
    • Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
    • Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.

    First Care Pharmacy, Thamesmead

    • Location: First Care Pharmacy – Unit 6 Thames Reach Thamesmead SE28 0NY
    • Day and time:
      Friday 2 July, 9am to 1pm and 2pm to 7:15pm
      Saturday 3 July 2021 9am to 12pm and 1pm to 3:30pm
    • Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
    • Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number. Second doses will only be offered if it is at least eight weeks since the first dose if you are aged 40 or above.

    Eltham, Greenwich

    • Location: Mangal Pharmacy COVID-19 Vaccination Centre, 136A Well Hall Road, Eltham, London SE9 6SN
    • Day and time: Tuesday 29 June to Sunday 04 July, from 10am to 12pm
    • Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
    • Further information: AstraZeneca only. For people aged 40 and above, you do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number. Second doses will only be offered if it is at least eight weeks since the first dose.
    https://selondonccg.nhs.uk/what-we-do/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine/pop-up-clinics/
  • Is there any reason why London is so far behind in vaccine take up? 
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  • Of reason is that London is SomervilleAddick said:
    Is there any reason why London is so far behind in vaccine take up? 
    This answers a lot of it https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/08/why-is-london-behind-in-the-covid-vaccine-roll-out-14195864/
  • Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated

    European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab

    The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/



  • I've now had both Pfizer jabs. I had no ill effects from either. Australia is so far behind with vaccinations, as there is a mentality that it's not really a problem here due to the governments strict and quick actions. 
    What that means for those vaccinated is that we won't be able to return to normal as quickly as other countries as the Australian government has set goals for opening borders, travel etc purely on numbers vaccinated. 
    And I really want to come home to see my mum. 
  • From Clives I go this place is offering second jabs - it’s been less than 8 weeks than my first, so you think they’ll give me the second if I rock up?

    “Coldharbour, Greenwich

    • Location: William Barefoot Drive, Coldharbour Estate London, SE9 3JD
    • Day and time  : Friday 2 July, 10am – 4pm
    • Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
    • Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.”

  • Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated

    European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab

    The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/



    I’ve had a jab from one of those batches. Not happy.
  • Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated

    European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab

    The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/



    I’ve had a jab from one of those batches. Not happy.
    How can you tell?
  • stonemuse said:
    Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated

    European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab

    The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/



    I’ve had a jab from one of those batches. Not happy.
    How can you tell?
    He hasn't smiled since 
  • se9addick said:
    From Clives I go this place is offering second jabs - it’s been less than 8 weeks than my first, so you think they’ll give me the second if I rock up?

    “Coldharbour, Greenwich

    • Location: William Barefoot Drive, Coldharbour Estate London, SE9 3JD
    • Day and time  : Friday 2 July, 10am – 4pm
    • Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
    • Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.”

    I think so. I had my second yesterday after only 5 weeks and know of someone who got their second at the valley walk in after only 4. 
  • edited July 2021
    se9addick said:
    From Clives I go this place is offering second jabs - it’s been less than 8 weeks than my first, so you think they’ll give me the second if I rock up?

    “Coldharbour, Greenwich

    • Location: William Barefoot Drive, Coldharbour Estate London, SE9 3JD
    • Day and time  : Friday 2 July, 10am – 4pm
    • Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
    • Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.”

    I think so. I had my second yesterday after only 5 weeks and know of someone who got their second at the valley walk in after only 4. 
    Ok, might give it a shot (get it). Will it matter that I already have a second jab booked?

    Edit - sorry for treating you like the oracle on this subject!
  • Why you shouldn't get a second Covid jab too early

    Prof. Anthony Harnden is on the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation and he advises the government on the vaccine rollout.

    He says: "The data suggests very strongly that the longer you leave that second dose, the better longer term protection you will have.

    "There is a sort of sweet spot from about eight weeks onwards, and we wouldn't advise anybody to really have the second dose before then."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-57682233

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  • se9addick said:
    se9addick said:
    From Clives I go this place is offering second jabs - it’s been less than 8 weeks than my first, so you think they’ll give me the second if I rock up?

    “Coldharbour, Greenwich

    • Location: William Barefoot Drive, Coldharbour Estate London, SE9 3JD
    • Day and time  : Friday 2 July, 10am – 4pm
    • Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
    • Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.”

    I think so. I had my second yesterday after only 5 weeks and know of someone who got their second at the valley walk in after only 4. 
    Ok, might give it a shot (get it). Will it matter that I already have a second jab booked?

    Edit - sorry for treating you like the oracle on this subject!
    aha no problem. It won't matter no, I doubt they'll even ask. Might be worth cancelling it once you've had your second though as it'll free up a slot
  • stonemuse said:
    Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated

    European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab

    The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/



    I’ve had a jab from one of those batches. Not happy.
    How can you tell?
    Me too. I am not worried about the effectiveness though. Although it seems Spain (as well as Germany surprisingly) on the list of those who will recognise

    You can tell from the batch number - Those who were given the Covishield jab will have the numbers 4120Z001, 4120Z002 or 4120Z003
  • stonemuse said:
    Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated

    European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab

    The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/



    I’ve had a jab from one of those batches. Not happy.
    How can you tell?
    Me too. I am not worried about the effectiveness though. Although it seems Spain (as well as Germany surprisingly) on the list of those who will recognise

    You can tell from the batch number - Those who were given the Covishield jab will have the numbers 4120Z001, 4120Z002 or 4120Z003
    Thanks 
  • clive said:

    Why you shouldn't get a second Covid jab too early

    Prof. Anthony Harnden is on the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation and he advises the government on the vaccine rollout.

    He says: "The data suggests very strongly that the longer you leave that second dose, the better longer term protection you will have.

    "There is a sort of sweet spot from about eight weeks onwards, and we wouldn't advise anybody to really have the second dose before then."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-57682233

    Always thought they said a longer gap between doses boosted antibody levels but resulted in lower t-cell response and vice versa for a shorter gap.
  • Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated

    European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab

    The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/



    Its weird because I'd been led to believe that the approval was for the vaccine - effectively its formula and that it should make a difference where it is produced. I wonder if this is the EMA being weird about AZ again given that for the last 20 odd years something like 65% of all vaccines have been produced in india so it would be weird to suddenly get an issue with it now. India has all of the biggest vaccine production facilities in the world.
  • cafcpolo said:
    clive said:

    Why you shouldn't get a second Covid jab too early

    Prof. Anthony Harnden is on the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation and he advises the government on the vaccine rollout.

    He says: "The data suggests very strongly that the longer you leave that second dose, the better longer term protection you will have.

    "There is a sort of sweet spot from about eight weeks onwards, and we wouldn't advise anybody to really have the second dose before then."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-57682233

    Always thought they said a longer gap between doses boosted antibody levels but resulted in lower t-cell response and vice versa for a shorter gap.
    There's a pop up vaccine centre at Staffs Uni on Saturday - first and second jabs of Pfizer and AZ - seconds jabs for Pfizer as long as three weeks since the first and AZ as long as 4 weeks.
  • Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated

    European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab

    The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/



    Checked this morning and I didn't have it from those batch numbers. I would be seriously pissed off if I had.
  • How do you find out what batch you had?
  • edited July 2021
    stonemuse said:
    Just when you thought it couldn't get even more complicated

    European holidays could be off i to 5m Britons given Indian-made AstraZeneca jab

    The jab, quietly authorised in the UK in February, is not yet approved in Europe or recognised under EU’s new vaccine passport scheme

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-britons-given-indian-made-astrazeneca/



    I’ve had a jab from one of those batches. Not happy.
    How can you tell?
    because the batch number is on my Vaccine Passport on the NHS App. Also, but I have not checked yet, the batch number should be on the little card they gave you when vaccinated. As @bobmunro says I'm a bit pissed off but I'm hoping that they will now apply for a licence or things will change so that AstraZeneca doses wherever manufactured are accepted.
  • Thanks Large. Just seen it's on the card they give you also. 

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