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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    Having players who played into their 50's must have pushed the average up too!
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,033
    Oggy Red said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Be gobsmacked if we got them, particularly Gilbey, for free. Cawley's comment no doubt come from Bowyer, and without meaning to dig Bows out, the context was about how little we'd spent, so suited him to miss those out. No way do Mk Dons let their player of the year leave on a free. 
    I'm pretty I sure remember reading a year ago that because of the lockdown, suspension of the division and lack of income, MK were desperate to reduce their budget - which is probably why they made POTY Gilbey available, quite likely because he was their highest earner?

    I believe also Hearts had just been relegated and their manager saying that they had to urgently reduce expenditure and were letting higher earning players go. A couple of days later, we signed Washington.

    Don't ask me how I remember this stuff!


    It also gave MKD the bandwidth to offer a decent contract to Scott Fraser who was a free agent at the time. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited July 2021
    CL_Phantom said:
    Cloudworm said:
    So far we've replaced

    Amos with McGillivray
    Pratley with Dobson
    Shinnie with Clare

    Haven't replaced our top scorer yet or Millar, who most of those in the know rated highly. Or Maatsen, who I thought was great. I'd say we're possibly weaker than we were at the end of last season and definitely behind the curve.

    I'll be much happier when we get...

    A winger
    A left back
    A goalscorer
    And a centre half

    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...

    Amos - McGillivray
    AMB - AMB

    Matthews - Matthews
    Gunter - Gunter
    Maatsen - 
    Purrington - Purrington

    Famewo - Famewo
    Pearce - Pearce
    Inniss - Inniss
    Nobody - 

    Pratley - Dobson
    Watson - Watson
    Gilbey - Gilbey
    JFC - JFC
    Morgan - Morgan
    Shinnie - Clare
    Smith -  

    Millar - 
    DJ - DJ

    Stockley - Stockley
    Washington - Washington
    Schwartz - Schwartz
    Aneke - 


    Hardly behind the curve, the two players really missing from ending last season are Millar and Aneke, granted both important, but those are the two players that we really need to get right, difference between playoffs auto.

    We're not really in that bad a shape if the season was to start tomorrow, not perfect, but not relegation material.

    We have baked the cake we just need to ice it and add a big fat cherry or two on the top.

    Powell had an iced cake but even he still had to add the cherries.  He didn't do that until well, after we had already beaten the cherries.

    Last season we had some eggs and flour but couldn't afford the leccy to turn the oven on and we're just about to flog the baking tins. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    addick1956 said:
    Oggy Red said:
    addick1956 said:
    CafcSCP said:
    Gomes, konsa, Shelvey, lookman we’re all unknowns when we blooded them. Look where they are now.
    if they’re good enough then get our youngsters in the team.
    Theyre going to make some mistakes but perhaps Adkins is already seeing the promise.
     I said that self same thing recently. I quoted ' If you are good enough,  you are old enough '. I then listed a lot of players back to the 1950's to show how many were really successful. 

    All I got was mocking nonsense telling me I always talk rubbish. 

    Let us see if you get the same criticism. 
    That's because quoting footballers back to the 1950s is not relevant to today's game. 




     I included modern players and past players are relevant.  Why do u think nothing counts unless you were around at the time.

    Perhaps not as old as yourself ....... my Dad, from a family of dyed in the wool Charlton fans, first took me down The Valley in 1964. On my fathers knee, I learned about Jimmy Seed's South African experiment, players like Benny Fenton, Charlie Vaughan, Big Sam, Eddie Firmani, Stuart Leary, Johnny Summers et al.

    I've seen a lot of football myself since the days of Tiger Hill, Bob Stokoe and Eddie Firmani  as managers and the young players they introduced into the team at those times: Mike Bailey, Lenny Glover, Billy Bonds, Alan Campbell, Keithy Peacock, Peter Reeves, Bobby Curtis and so on, right up to the present day.

    It doesn't how much I fondly remember the old days, the football played back then just wouldn't compare with the demands on players today with the athleticism required, pace and physical intensity of the game. 


  • charlton_hero
    charlton_hero Posts: 4,670
    edited July 2021
    Kwadwo Baah on loan might fill the Millar void, I see Sunderland are after him.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,430
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    In the words of Ness from Gavin and Stacey, what's occuring?
    Is that a hint that more Welsh players are on the way?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Oggy Red said:
    addick1956 said:
    Oggy Red said:
    addick1956 said:
    CafcSCP said:
    Gomes, konsa, Shelvey, lookman we’re all unknowns when we blooded them. Look where they are now.
    if they’re good enough then get our youngsters in the team.
    Theyre going to make some mistakes but perhaps Adkins is already seeing the promise.
     I said that self same thing recently. I quoted ' If you are good enough,  you are old enough '. I then listed a lot of players back to the 1950's to show how many were really successful. 

    All I got was mocking nonsense telling me I always talk rubbish. 

    Let us see if you get the same criticism. 
    That's because quoting footballers back to the 1950s is not relevant to today's game. 




     I included modern players and past players are relevant.  Why do u think nothing counts unless you were around at the time.

    Perhaps not as old as yourself ....... my Dad, from a family of dyed in the wool Charlton fans, first took me down The Valley in 1964. On my fathers knee, I learned about Jimmy Seed's South African experiment, players like Benny Fenton, Charlie Vaughan, Big Sam, Eddie Firmani, Stuart Leary, Johnny Summers et al.

    I've seen a lot of football myself since the days of Tiger Hill, Bob Stokoe and Eddie Firmani  as managers and the young players they introduced into the team at those times: Mike Bailey, Lenny Glover, Billy Bonds, Alan Campbell, Keithy Peacock, Peter Reeves, Bobby Curtis and so on, right up to the present day.

    It doesn't how much I fondly remember the old days, the football played back then just wouldn't compare with the demands on players today with the athleticism required, pace and physical intensity of the game. 


    See we should have kept Pratley and Watson has got years in him.  After all the 60s there was an outfield player in the top flight who was in his 50s!

    It must there say you can play until your 50s now? 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,390
    Dazzler21 said:
    Braziliance said:
    That wouldn't make any sense, correct me if I am wrong but when we signed Gilbey was he not still under contract with MK Dons? Surely they wouldn't let their POTY go on a free?
    £200k as being quoted is also peanuts for a player of the year.
    That is true, but let's say if he wanted to move at least that covers the wages of the incoming replacement for a year or so, which was Fraser.

    200k is better than nothing and I think he had a year left
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    Richard J said:
    Oggy Red said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Be gobsmacked if we got them, particularly Gilbey, for free. Cawley's comment no doubt come from Bowyer, and without meaning to dig Bows out, the context was about how little we'd spent, so suited him to miss those out. No way do Mk Dons let their player of the year leave on a free. 
    I'm pretty I sure remember reading a year ago that because of the lockdown, suspension of the division and lack of income, MK were desperate to reduce their budget - which is probably why they made POTY Gilbey available, quite likely because he was their highest earner?

    I believe also Hearts had just been relegated and their manager saying that they had to urgently reduce expenditure and were letting higher earning players go. A couple of days later, we signed Washington.

    Don't ask me how I remember this stuff!


    It also gave MKD the bandwidth to offer a decent contract to Scott Fraser who was a free agent at the time. 
    Very good, @Richard J

    I hadn't made that connection.


  • Horsfield9
    Horsfield9 Posts: 3,082
    Cafc43v3r said:
    CL_Phantom said:
    Cloudworm said:
    So far we've replaced

    Amos with McGillivray
    Pratley with Dobson
    Shinnie with Clare

    Haven't replaced our top scorer yet or Millar, who most of those in the know rated highly. Or Maatsen, who I thought was great. I'd say we're possibly weaker than we were at the end of last season and definitely behind the curve.

    I'll be much happier when we get...

    A winger
    A left back
    A goalscorer
    And a centre half

    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...

    Amos - McGillivray
    AMB - AMB

    Matthews - Matthews
    Gunter - Gunter
    Maatsen - 
    Purrington - Purrington

    Famewo - Famewo
    Pearce - Pearce
    Inniss - Inniss
    Nobody - 

    Pratley - Dobson
    Watson - Watson
    Gilbey - Gilbey
    JFC - JFC
    Morgan - Morgan
    Shinnie - Clare
    Smith -  

    Millar - 
    DJ - DJ

    Stockley - Stockley
    Washington - Washington
    Schwartz - Schwartz
    Aneke - 


    Hardly behind the curve, the two players really missing from ending last season are Millar and Aneke, granted both important, but those are the two players that we really need to get right, difference between playoffs auto.

    We're not really in that bad a shape if the season was to start tomorrow, not perfect, but not relegation material.

    We have baked the cake we just need to ice it and add a big fat cherry or two on the top.

    Powell had an iced cake but even he still had to add the cherries.  He didn't do that until well, after we had already beaten the cherries.

    Last season we had some eggs and flour but couldn't afford the leccy to turn the oven on and we're just about to flog the baking tins. 
    Like to welcome Mary   Berry to the forum,  seems to know more than I would have thought. 

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  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,015
    edited July 2021
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I agree with the Chuks comment. I saw him as a key player this season as if we got him on the pitch more, those 15 goals could become 20 plus. That is hard to replace.
    Chuks is definitely the biggest loss so far. In terms of both number of goals and technical ability, having him even as a sub option would have made a stronger squad.

    BUT he's at least not gone to a direct rival and honestly given he's now got a Championship club and probably a commensurate wage, we (Charlton) probably didn't do anything "wrong" in negotiations. Just financially out-muscled.


    How we replace him will be important but I remain confident that we will. How good said replacement will be we don't know yet.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,823
    DamoNorthStand said:
    25 goals between Clare, Gilbey and DJ? We are just making things up here. Between them they would need to average over 8 goals

    Clare scored one last year and never got more than 6 at Hearts last time he played in midfield.

    Gilbey averaged about 4 per year at MK.

    DJ has potential but it’s unproven.

    It’s not negative - it’s just going on the data sample we have to hand. Which is more accurate than any assumptions 
    Let’s revisit this at the end of the season is all I’ll say. I feel extremely good about all three players.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,415
    Tuesday was like a throwback. The only insider knowledge came from teamtalk.com in the morning!
  • Red_Chester
    Red_Chester Posts: 750
    charlton_hero said:
    Kwadwo Baah on loan might fill the Millar void, I see Sunderland are after him.
    Is he the answer? Apart from tearing us apart when we played Smyth RB I don’t think he did too much? I know there was a lot behind the scenes when it was rumoured he signed for city but that fell through. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,362
    Maatsen 'torrid in defence'? His defending was mostly very competent indeed, a daft penalty, a couple of silly chest-downs and being comprehensively done by DJ aside. Our fans are always hyper-critical of both loan players and defenders. He had a dip under Bowyer but by the end of the season he was performing excellently at left back. Against the champions he was the best player on the pitch. If we have the opportunity to get him back it is an absolute no-brainer 
  • BetterCallSaul
    BetterCallSaul Posts: 357
    Cafc43v3r said:
    CL_Phantom said:
    Cloudworm said:
    So far we've replaced

    Amos with McGillivray
    Pratley with Dobson
    Shinnie with Clare

    Haven't replaced our top scorer yet or Millar, who most of those in the know rated highly. Or Maatsen, who I thought was great. I'd say we're possibly weaker than we were at the end of last season and definitely behind the curve.

    I'll be much happier when we get...

    A winger
    A left back
    A goalscorer
    And a centre half

    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...

    Amos - McGillivray
    AMB - AMB

    Matthews - Matthews
    Gunter - Gunter
    Maatsen - 
    Purrington - Purrington

    Famewo - Famewo
    Pearce - Pearce
    Inniss - Inniss
    Nobody - 

    Pratley - Dobson
    Watson - Watson
    Gilbey - Gilbey
    JFC - JFC
    Morgan - Morgan
    Shinnie - Clare
    Smith -  

    Millar - 
    DJ - DJ

    Stockley - Stockley
    Washington - Washington
    Schwartz - Schwartz
    Aneke - 


    Hardly behind the curve, the two players really missing from ending last season are Millar and Aneke, granted both important, but those are the two players that we really need to get right, difference between playoffs auto.

    We're not really in that bad a shape if the season was to start tomorrow, not perfect, but not relegation material.

    We have baked the cake we just need to ice it and add a big fat cherry or two on the top.

    Powell had an iced cake but even he still had to add the cherries.  He didn't do that until well, after we had already beaten the cherries.

    Last season we had some eggs and flour but couldn't afford the leccy to turn the oven on and we're just about to flog the baking tins. 
    Great...now I'm hungry
  • RedJohn
    RedJohn Posts: 597
    Thinking about Maatsen, I seem to get the idea that NA loves tall players, Maatsen indeed in my opinion looked a terrific player in the making, maybe his height may go against him, as I did read in some online match reports where the opposition targeted our left back area with crosses.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,362
    Maatsen is small but has a decent leap tbf, not many headed goals when he got outjumped. As for Purrington, who's much taller, the mind goes to that 95th minute Hull equaliser 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,267
    Maatsen also performed well further up the pitch.

    I suspect Chelsea would want to see him loaned to a Championship club to increase he resale value while Charlton end up loaning a different Chelsea player.  

    Who that might be I have no idea but I'd never heard of Gallagher either.  Gallen will know who's available and will probably already had talks with Chelsea and other EPL clubs.  

    Gallen will also know that he'll have to wait, perhaps until just before the window closes, until he gets a definite answer. 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,382
    Bexleyheath_Addick said:
    We expecting any deals today? @anyoneITK
    I’m just imaging all those ITKs going, ‘Oo, I nearly forgot to post this info I’ve received, thanks for reminding me!’
    :-)

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  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,714
    BetterCallSaul said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    CL_Phantom said:
    Cloudworm said:
    So far we've replaced

    Amos with McGillivray
    Pratley with Dobson
    Shinnie with Clare

    Haven't replaced our top scorer yet or Millar, who most of those in the know rated highly. Or Maatsen, who I thought was great. I'd say we're possibly weaker than we were at the end of last season and definitely behind the curve.

    I'll be much happier when we get...

    A winger
    A left back
    A goalscorer
    And a centre half

    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...

    Amos - McGillivray
    AMB - AMB

    Matthews - Matthews
    Gunter - Gunter
    Maatsen - 
    Purrington - Purrington

    Famewo - Famewo
    Pearce - Pearce
    Inniss - Inniss
    Nobody - 

    Pratley - Dobson
    Watson - Watson
    Gilbey - Gilbey
    JFC - JFC
    Morgan - Morgan
    Shinnie - Clare
    Smith -  

    Millar - 
    DJ - DJ

    Stockley - Stockley
    Washington - Washington
    Schwartz - Schwartz
    Aneke - 


    Hardly behind the curve, the two players really missing from ending last season are Millar and Aneke, granted both important, but those are the two players that we really need to get right, difference between playoffs auto.

    We're not really in that bad a shape if the season was to start tomorrow, not perfect, but not relegation material.

    We have baked the cake we just need to ice it and add a big fat cherry or two on the top.

    Powell had an iced cake but even he still had to add the cherries.  He didn't do that until well, after we had already beaten the cherries.

    Last season we had some eggs and flour but couldn't afford the leccy to turn the oven on and we're just about to flog the baking tins. 
    Great...now I'm hungry
    Yeah, that reminds me, what's for lunch everybody, plenty of time for rumours this afternoon, preferably on a full stomach....
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    eastterrace6168 said:
    BetterCallSaul said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    CL_Phantom said:
    Cloudworm said:
    So far we've replaced

    Amos with McGillivray
    Pratley with Dobson
    Shinnie with Clare

    Haven't replaced our top scorer yet or Millar, who most of those in the know rated highly. Or Maatsen, who I thought was great. I'd say we're possibly weaker than we were at the end of last season and definitely behind the curve.

    I'll be much happier when we get...

    A winger
    A left back
    A goalscorer
    And a centre half

    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...

    Amos - McGillivray
    AMB - AMB

    Matthews - Matthews
    Gunter - Gunter
    Maatsen - 
    Purrington - Purrington

    Famewo - Famewo
    Pearce - Pearce
    Inniss - Inniss
    Nobody - 

    Pratley - Dobson
    Watson - Watson
    Gilbey - Gilbey
    JFC - JFC
    Morgan - Morgan
    Shinnie - Clare
    Smith -  

    Millar - 
    DJ - DJ

    Stockley - Stockley
    Washington - Washington
    Schwartz - Schwartz
    Aneke - 


    Hardly behind the curve, the two players really missing from ending last season are Millar and Aneke, granted both important, but those are the two players that we really need to get right, difference between playoffs auto.

    We're not really in that bad a shape if the season was to start tomorrow, not perfect, but not relegation material.

    We have baked the cake we just need to ice it and add a big fat cherry or two on the top.

    Powell had an iced cake but even he still had to add the cherries.  He didn't do that until well, after we had already beaten the cherries.

    Last season we had some eggs and flour but couldn't afford the leccy to turn the oven on and we're just about to flog the baking tins. 
    Great...now I'm hungry
    Yeah, that reminds me, what's for lunch everybody, plenty of time for rumours this afternoon, preferably on a full stomach....
    Are you Steve Gallen? No wonder there's been no signings this morning. :smile:


  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,693
    no news is good news......so they say  :D
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    golfaddick said:
    no news is good news......so they say  :D
    You're a bit cheerful all of a sudden, Golfie? 

    What do you know that we don't? :smile:



  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,714
    edited July 2021
    Oggy Red said:
    eastterrace6168 said:
    BetterCallSaul said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    CL_Phantom said:
    Cloudworm said:
    So far we've replaced

    Amos with McGillivray
    Pratley with Dobson
    Shinnie with Clare

    Haven't replaced our top scorer yet or Millar, who most of those in the know rated highly. Or Maatsen, who I thought was great. I'd say we're possibly weaker than we were at the end of last season and definitely behind the curve.

    I'll be much happier when we get...

    A winger
    A left back
    A goalscorer
    And a centre half

    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...

    Amos - McGillivray
    AMB - AMB

    Matthews - Matthews
    Gunter - Gunter
    Maatsen - 
    Purrington - Purrington

    Famewo - Famewo
    Pearce - Pearce
    Inniss - Inniss
    Nobody - 

    Pratley - Dobson
    Watson - Watson
    Gilbey - Gilbey
    JFC - JFC
    Morgan - Morgan
    Shinnie - Clare
    Smith -  

    Millar - 
    DJ - DJ

    Stockley - Stockley
    Washington - Washington
    Schwartz - Schwartz
    Aneke - 


    Hardly behind the curve, the two players really missing from ending last season are Millar and Aneke, granted both important, but those are the two players that we really need to get right, difference between playoffs auto.

    We're not really in that bad a shape if the season was to start tomorrow, not perfect, but not relegation material.

    We have baked the cake we just need to ice it and add a big fat cherry or two on the top.

    Powell had an iced cake but even he still had to add the cherries.  He didn't do that until well, after we had already beaten the cherries.

    Last season we had some eggs and flour but couldn't afford the leccy to turn the oven on and we're just about to flog the baking tins. 
    Great...now I'm hungry
    Yeah, that reminds me, what's for lunch everybody, plenty of time for rumours this afternoon, preferably on a full stomach....
    Are you Steve Gallen? No wonder there's been no signings this morning. :smile:


    Shucks, sussed me there...sorry must dash, pie and pint waiting... B)
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    Henry Irving said:
    Maatsen also performed well further up the pitch.

    I suspect Chelsea would want to see him loaned to a Championship club to increase he resale value while Charlton end up loaning a different Chelsea player.  

    Who that might be I have no idea but I'd never heard of Gallagher either.  Gallen will know who's available and will probably already had talks with Chelsea and other EPL clubs.  

    Gallen will also know that he'll have to wait, perhaps until just before the window closes, until he gets a definite answer. 
    What I felt about Maatsen last season was at the beginning of the season he looked to be outrageously too good for the level. Then as the season progressed he sort of adapted to it. It is possible he looked good when the team was good, so the secret is probably having good players around him.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Maatsen also performed well further up the pitch.

    I suspect Chelsea would want to see him loaned to a Championship club to increase he resale value while Charlton end up loaning a different Chelsea player.  

    Who that might be I have no idea but I'd never heard of Gallagher either.  Gallen will know who's available and will probably already had talks with Chelsea and other EPL clubs.  

    Gallen will also know that he'll have to wait, perhaps until just before the window closes, until he gets a definite answer. 
    What I felt about Maatsen last season was at the beginning of the season he looked to be outrageously too good for the level. Then as the season progressed he sort of adapted to it. It is possible he looked good when the team was good, so the secret is probably having good players around him.
    That's what Maatsen had been used to at Chelsea.


  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,599
    Oggy Red said:
    golfaddick said:
    no news is good news......so they say  :D
    You're a bit cheerful all of a sudden, Golfie? 

    What do you know that we don't? :smile:



    Dont worry - I just hacked his account for a larf again ;)
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,658
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    In the words of Ness from Gavin and Stacey, what's occuring?
    In the u23s isn't he? 
    No, wrong one, I think he lives near a loch…
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,714
    edited July 2021
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Oggy Red said:
    golfaddick said:
    no news is good news......so they say  :D
    You're a bit cheerful all of a sudden, Golfie? 

    What do you know that we don't? :smile:



    Dont worry - I just hacked his account for a larf again ;)
    FA, what a wheeze, wonder if Golfie will see the funny side of it....prob not but hey.. B)
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