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I don't recall us ever having a team with fewer goals in it. Maybe you can expect one player to step up but you have some fans thinking/saying, Clare will get 7 or 8, Dobson 5 or 6, Albie 10. The problem is, they have never done so.
Albie is a player I thought could step up. But the initial signs are not promising there either. Who is going to score the goals for us as it stands?7 -
They weren't on his list? Point being, he's comparing two signings in a league one window to a series of signings made in the championship.DamoNorthStand said:
Taylor, Cullen, Bielik, Williams…. Even Jamie Ward and Billy ClarkeChunes said:
Which of those were signed in league one?golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era
As for the players you've just listed
Cullen and Bielik were loans
Taylor was a great signing on a free.
Williams is shit.2 -
You've named the 6 good signings under the rat, there's at least 4 times as many woeful players and none of them were signed in League 1....golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era0 -
I’d still have Williams back like a shot . We are desperate for some creativity in this current midfield.Chunes said:
They weren't on his list? Point being, he's comparing two signing in one league one window to a series of signing made in the championship.DamoNorthStand said:
Taylor, Cullen, Bielik, Williams…. Even Jamie Ward and Billy ClarkeChunes said:
Which of those were signed in league one?golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era
As for the players you've just listed.
Cullen and Bielik were loans
Taylor was a great signing on a free.
Williams is shit.9 -
What’s your take @LouisMend on the lack of transfers?Is it because we’re waiting for prices to drop/clubs to get desperate and deal, as has been mooted, or is there something amiss like TS now not wanting to spend/too many people involved in the sign off of targets?1
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Said it before that I thought the rebuild would need to take a few windows. Build a real quality first eleven and decent alternatives. Much prefer signing two really good players each window and getting there over three windows. Fill in gaps with loans until the quality is reached.0
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NA has said its Ged Roddys recruitment team and Steve Gallen negotiates with players agents and clubsthenewbie said:
At the risk of playing devils advocate here, is there any actual proof that Roddy is any way interfering with the transfer process?bobmunro said:
I don't think negotiating skills is the issue (there would/should be lawyers for the club involved at that stage) - it might be that Roddy has an opinion on the player that differs from NA/SG - that's a big issue. The CEO should be the deal maker, not the selector.Dazzler21 said:Nah the more I think about it, I'm sure it's the alternative.
(You're likely spot on Bob, is Ged Roddy known for his negotiating skills?)
Obviously people aren't happy with what's happening and understandably so but it doesn't sit right to speculating that this is somehow Roddy's fault when for all we know it's nothing to do with him.0 -
Both Cullen and Bielik were both signed very late in the window, Cullen on August 30th.Chunes said:
They weren't on his list? Point being, he's comparing two signing in one league one window to a series of signing made in the championship.DamoNorthStand said:
Taylor, Cullen, Bielik, Williams…. Even Jamie Ward and Billy ClarkeChunes said:
Which of those were signed in league one?golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era
As for the players you've just listed
Cullen and Bielik were loans
Taylor was a great signing on a free.
Williams is shit.5 -
By the time you've built your squad though, some of the better signings would already have been poachedShootersHillGuru said:Said it before that I thought the rebuild would need to take a few windows. Build a real quality first eleven and decent alternatives. Much prefer signing two really good players each window and getting there over three windows. Fill in gaps with loans until the quality is reached.
Say DJ has a storming season as we finish 8th. Next summer there'll be interested from Championship clubs, not least the newly promoted ones from L1.
Modern football doesn't allow much time to build sides11 -
I don't think he's creative. He's got 6 assists in three seasons. And his goalscoring record doesn't need mentioning. People get more assists and goals from full-back positions.Bedsaddick said:
I’d still have Williams back like a shot . We are desperate for some creativity in this current midfield.Chunes said:
They weren't on his list? Point being, he's comparing two signing in one league one window to a series of signing made in the championship.DamoNorthStand said:
Taylor, Cullen, Bielik, Williams…. Even Jamie Ward and Billy ClarkeChunes said:
Which of those were signed in league one?golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era
As for the players you've just listed.
Cullen and Bielik were loans
Taylor was a great signing on a free.
Williams is shit.6 - Sponsored links:
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Plus I thought we were done with signing injury prone journey men?Chunes said:
I don't think he's creative. He's got 6 assists in three seasons. And his goalscoring record doesn't need mentioning. People get more assists and goals from full-back positions.Bedsaddick said:
I’d still have Williams back like a shot . We are desperate for some creativity in this current midfield.Chunes said:
They weren't on his list? Point being, he's comparing two signing in one league one window to a series of signing made in the championship.DamoNorthStand said:
Taylor, Cullen, Bielik, Williams…. Even Jamie Ward and Billy ClarkeChunes said:
Which of those were signed in league one?golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era
As for the players you've just listed.
Cullen and Bielik were loans
Taylor was a great signing on a free.
Williams is shit.2 -
Not questioning whether GR is involved - he clearly is. But I am a little bit wary about the mentality that some people seem to think that the lack of business is specifically due to something he's doing or not doing which seems speculative at best.DessieValley said:
NA has said its Ged Roddys recruitment team and Steve Gallen negotiates with players agents and clubsthenewbie said:
At the risk of playing devils advocate here, is there any actual proof that Roddy is any way interfering with the transfer process?bobmunro said:
I don't think negotiating skills is the issue (there would/should be lawyers for the club involved at that stage) - it might be that Roddy has an opinion on the player that differs from NA/SG - that's a big issue. The CEO should be the deal maker, not the selector.Dazzler21 said:Nah the more I think about it, I'm sure it's the alternative.
(You're likely spot on Bob, is Ged Roddy known for his negotiating skills?)
Obviously people aren't happy with what's happening and understandably so but it doesn't sit right to speculating that this is somehow Roddy's fault when for all we know it's nothing to do with him.1 -
DamoNorthStand said:For so long anyone that dared suggest something is not up was told to zip it and stop being negative.......
Well we still need 6-7 quality players and it just doesn’t seem like it’s gonna happen.
Im not looking forward to post 1st Sept when the quality hasn’t arrived in the numbers we need - because we then need to switch our attention to what’s going wrong behind the scenes and they are never nice discussions on here.
But as loads of us are saying now - Roland / Driesen windows were ten times stronger than this. And that ownership was lambasted for it.
Something really doesn’t seem right here.The thing is though, none of this is true. Everyone recognises that we need more players and everyone recognises that the gap between our last signing and now is growing increasingly long. I don't think anyone thought Clare would be our last signing before the start of the season, but we've been told a hundred times that most of the deals will be done right up to the deadline, so those who are refusing to panic are in general doing it based on the fact this is our first proper summer window under Sandgaard and deadline day hasn't actually happened yet. Once the window shuts we'll all be able to actually see what's going on and we can properly judge. If we manage to get to the deadline passing and we've brought in a number of useful players then all of these concerns will blow away instantly, if not then there will be discussion.The thing about Roland is just revisionism as well. The problem with Roland was always that he didn't allow us to bring in enough players to support the occasionally decent ones he did get. I remember feeling really positive at the start of the 2014/15 season. I was still annoyed after the Powell/Yann etc debacle but we brought in some good players and I was hopeful, but the squad wasn't big enough and Peeters was already complaining when the window closed. That then repeated every single window, we'd sell good players for cheap and Roland would demand that more academy products get thrown in to cover the gaps. Every window was the same, a few peaks and false dawns and then always disappointment at the end. No-one who is being honest can say Roland never spent any money or never signed good players, but we were always short on depth and signing players with histories of severe injury and lack of fitness, meaning they always broke down again. Not to mention the fact Roland never had to work under the conditions caused by Covid. Even in what I would say was maybe our most complete window under Roland, the most recent Championship season, we signed Field, Leko, Kayal and (sort of) Hemed on the last day, and then Oztumer and Matthews after that. That's the key difference here; our window isn't over yet. If we sign Kirk this week, and then another, then 4 good loans on deadline day because we waited for the right people to be available then I don't think there will be any serious complaints. It's if we don't that we've got serious problems, and that's when I'll actually start worrying, not before. It's difficult enough being a Charlton fan without being miserable before it's absolutely necessary.14 -
All that’s true but he would still get in this current team .That’s a damning critique of the current first team . realistically I wouldn’t want him back either .Chunes said:
I don't think he's creative. He's got 6 assists in three seasons. And his goalscoring record doesn't need mentioning. People get more assists and goals from full-back positions.Bedsaddick said:
I’d still have Williams back like a shot . We are desperate for some creativity in this current midfield.Chunes said:
They weren't on his list? Point being, he's comparing two signing in one league one window to a series of signing made in the championship.DamoNorthStand said:
Taylor, Cullen, Bielik, Williams…. Even Jamie Ward and Billy ClarkeChunes said:
Which of those were signed in league one?golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era
As for the players you've just listed.
Cullen and Bielik were loans
Taylor was a great signing on a free.
Williams is shit.0 -
We're trying to recruit for a couple of roles in our travel business just now and finding it quite challenging. Seems most people want to continue working from home. I'm starting to wonder if that's true for our footballers too?27
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Just because Golfie is bigging up Roland... Here's his first three years ins and outs for the first team squad - because I got bored. It seems having loads of players doesn't guarantee success at all!
Care free signings are as dangerous as too few.
(Free= Free or undisclosed)13/14 - Survived Relegation
From JANUARY ONLY
Players signed
From Standard Liege
Anil Koc (Free)
Reza Ghoochannejhad (Free)
Astrit Ajdarevic (L)
Yohann Thuram (Free)
From Ujpest
Loic Nego (Free)
From outside the Network
Davide Petrucci (L)
Jonathan Obika (L)
Marcus Tudgay (L)
Piotr Parzyszek - De Graafschap
Players Out:
Ben Alnwick
Dale Stephens
Yann Kermorgant
Danny Hollands (L)14/15 - 12th Championship
Players signed:
From Standard Liege
George Tucudean (£720k - but not really)
Yoni Buyens (Loan)
Frederic Bulot (Loan)
Tal Ben Haim (Free)
Tony Watt (Free)
From Ujpest
Marko Dmitrovic (Free)
From outside the Network
Igor Vetokele (£2.7m)
Johann Berg Gudmundsson (Free)
Andre Kikey (Free)
Stephen Henderson (Free)
Franck Moussa (Free)
Francis Coquelin (Loan)
Roger Johnson (Free)
Milos Veljkovic (Free)
Cristophe LePoint (Free)
Oguchi Onyewu (F)
Chris Eagles (F)
Players out:
Cedric Evina (Free)
Dorian Dervite (Free)
Ben Hamer (Free)
Richard Wood (Free)
Jordan Cook (Free)
Bradley Pritchard (Free)
Andy Hughes (Free)
Loic Nego (Loan)
Danny Green (Free)
Danny Hollands (Free)
Diego Poyet (?)
Michael Morrison (?)15/16 - Relegated
Players signed:
From Standard Liege
Jorge Teixeira £450k (Not really)
From outside the Network
Naby Sarr £1.8m
Patrick Bauer £1.35m
El Hadji Ba £450k
Zakarya Bergdich £225k
Christian Ceballos (F)
Seok Yeung Yun (L)
Conor McAleny (L)
Roger Johnson (F)
Rhys Williams (L)
Rod Fanni (L)
Simon Makienok (L)?
Ahmed Kashi (?)
Diego Poyet (L)
Yaya Sanogo (L)
Ricardo Vaz Te (F)
Players sold:
Joe Gomez £4.4m
Rhoys Wiggins £900k
Simon Church (F)
Neil Etheridge (F)
Tal Ben Haim (F)
Roger Johnson (F)
Lawrie Wilson (F)
Ricardo Vaz Te (F)
Piotr Parzyszek (F)
Christoph LePoint (F) - Re-entered the network
Loic Nego (F)
Andre Bikey (R)
Chris Eagles (R)
Oguchi Onyewu (R)
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Chairman gives SG the budget … NA gives SG the list of top targets then most likey a back up list .. SG then starts the long road of talking to agents finding out 1-If there player interested in joining , what’s the situation at his club 2- what salary he in now and what salary and contract they looking for 3- If that’s acceptable make offer to club …bobmunro said:
In my experience, this is how it should work.Dazzler21 said:Here's how ( I think) Transfers may be working.
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Adkins suggests the kind of players he needs, gives the requirements of what they MUST have and probably even names some that do the job of such players.
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Gallen goes out, taps up contacts and uses his relationships to find players that match Adkins requirements - Comes back to Adkins to check suitability
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When NA & SG are happy I'd hope it was straight to Sandgaard, but I fear this is where Roddy steps in. I don't get what he does, but he basically has to also ratify the signing before it can get to Sandgaard. Maybe he's acting as some sort of buffer to ensure we don't put forward signings over a certain price that don't add enough resale value etc?
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When it gets to Sandgaard I would assume the case is put forward on what the player brings, what their resale potential might be, how much we might need to spend to get them and whether they may or may not be able to make the step up.
Alternative
The other thing that may occur is you roll up the meetings where Gallen comes back to a 4-way between Adkins, Gallen, Roddy & Sandgaard and they thrash it out whilst chugging Monster's and listening to rap metal.
1. Owner (TS) sets the budget (transfer fee and wages)
2. Manager (NA) tells head of recruitment (SG) who/what he wants.
3. Head of recruitment draws up a shortlist
4. Manager reviews shortlist and selects those he wants to pursue.
5. Head of recruitment asks current club for permission to talk to player (yes, I know!!).
6. If player is interested the CEO (we don't have one but it could be Roddy in this instance) negotiates with player/club/agent within the confines of the budgets set in 1) above.
7. If agreement (within budget) is reached then player signs).
8. If agreement cannot be reached but manager wants to pursue further then CEO discusses budget with owner. If it can be increased then repeat 6) and 7).
9. If no agreement reached within an acceptable budget then all parties move on.
For us point 6 may be the issue.
SG would have had the top targets before the season ended and his team would have scouted the players few times spoke to various people about them ie what they like away from the pitch etc etc
Alan Curbishley once said from the moment they identify a target it can take 6/12 months to do your homework on that player and do a deal …
Peterbro chairman said it took 3 months to sign the Exeter player …. clearly social media has not helped with all the rumours and whispers back in the day there was no SKY no internet and transfer happened when they happened that was the first a fan heard about it …0 -
Gallen always done and still is the person who talks to players and agentsScoham said:
Unless things have changed Gallen does the negotiating?bobmunro said:
In my experience, this is how it should work.Dazzler21 said:Here's how ( I think) Transfers may be working.
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Adkins suggests the kind of players he needs, gives the requirements of what they MUST have and probably even names some that do the job of such players.
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Gallen goes out, taps up contacts and uses his relationships to find players that match Adkins requirements - Comes back to Adkins to check suitability
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When NA & SG are happy I'd hope it was straight to Sandgaard, but I fear this is where Roddy steps in. I don't get what he does, but he basically has to also ratify the signing before it can get to Sandgaard. Maybe he's acting as some sort of buffer to ensure we don't put forward signings over a certain price that don't add enough resale value etc?
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When it gets to Sandgaard I would assume the case is put forward on what the player brings, what their resale potential might be, how much we might need to spend to get them and whether they may or may not be able to make the step up.
Alternative
The other thing that may occur is you roll up the meetings where Gallen comes back to a 4-way between Adkins, Gallen, Roddy & Sandgaard and they thrash it out whilst chugging Monster's and listening to rap metal.
1. Owner (TS) sets the budget (transfer fee and wages)
2. Manager (NA) tells head of recruitment (SG) who/what he wants.
3. Head of recruitment draws up a shortlist
4. Manager reviews shortlist and selects those he wants to pursue.
5. Head of recruitment asks current club for permission to talk to player (yes, I know!!).
6. If player is interested the CEO (we don't have one but it could be Roddy in this instance) negotiates with player/club/agent within the confines of the budgets set in 1) above.
7. If agreement (within budget) is reached then player signs).
8. If agreement cannot be reached but manager wants to pursue further then CEO discusses budget with owner. If it can be increased then repeat 6) and 7).
9. If no agreement reached within an acceptable budget then all parties move on.
For us point 6 may be the issue.1 -
We had an incredible midfield that year. Cullen, Bielik and Aribo in League One was obscene.Rothko said:
Both Cullen and Bielik were both signed very late in the window, Cullen on August 30th.Chunes said:
They weren't on his list? Point being, he's comparing two signing in one league one window to a series of signing made in the championship.DamoNorthStand said:
Taylor, Cullen, Bielik, Williams…. Even Jamie Ward and Billy ClarkeChunes said:
Which of those were signed in league one?golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era
As for the players you've just listed
Cullen and Bielik were loans
Taylor was a great signing on a free.
Williams is shit.1 -
SG is Director of Football and this interview puts to bed these ridiculous notions about he not in charge of recruitment
Charlton Director of Football Steve Gallen has provided an update on what has been a relentless summer to date, with four new signings as well as four contract extensions.
Tenacious midfielder George Dobson became the Addicks’ third acquisition of the summer, and Gallen was pleased to secure the services of the promising 23-year-old, who he admits he has tracked for some time, as the club seeks to bring younger players to The Valley.
Gallen said: “Of course I’m pleased about it. We’re trying to bring some young players, but not just young players. We’re trying to bring in players to help us get towards the top of the table, that’s where everybody wants to be - the manager, myself, the fans, everybody at the club. We want to be challenging at the top.
“We do have to be careful about the players that we pick because there’s a lot of players available. There’s a lot of players out there that want massive salaries. They think that Charlton are just going to splash a load of money and we’re not going to do that; we’re going to take our time and we’re going to get it right. I’ve always tried to do that. I try and spend our money just like it’s my own and we have to be careful.
“If we blow all of our money right at the start on two or three players then we might not have enough for the two or three we need towards the end of the window, so we’re somewhere around the middle of the window. It’s tiring behind the scenes because it’s non-stop work, it’s every day. Every single day. We’ve got George Dobson in, really pleased. He’s a good lad and somebody I’ve followed for a few years now, and so it’s nice to get him.”
Jake Forster-Caskey and Adam Matthews have recently followed Jason Pearce and Ben Watson in penning new terms to extend their stays in SE7.
“You have to judge every deal on its merit,” explained Gallen. “Players that have been with us for a while... Chuks Aneke two years, Ben Amos on and off for three years in different spells... didn’t stay with us. We tried to sign them but it didn’t work out and I wish them well. Jake’s situation is a bit different, player of the year, that was great, and then got injured right towards the end. Very important that we show everybody that we look after our players. It wasn’t a difficult deal to do in all honesty. It was something that was just sat on the table for quite a while until Jake grabbed me at the training ground and we just had a chat, and then moved it forward really, really quick.
“Jake’s going to be out for a while, we know that. We’ve got a duty of care to look after him and bring him back to fitness, but when we do we know that we’ve got a very good midfield player. And when he does come back, whether that’s December, January, February… I don’t know exactly, we all don’t know exactly… it will actually feel like a new signing for us. Experienced football player, good awareness, good touch. He’s a midfielder that’s good at everything. He’s a good all-rounder rather than just being a box-to-box or a holding player, or just a passer. He’s actually decent at all things. The way he picks up second balls in particular, you can see he’s got a bit more experience than a lot of the other players at this level.
“I’m pleased to get Adam. This one behind the scenes has been a bit on, off, on, off, but then it was last year too. At the end of the day I have to try and get the best value always for the chairman, which is what I speak to Thomas [Sandgaard] about, and the best value for the football club. On the flipside, on the balance of that and more importantly of course, we’ve got to the best team. We’ve got to give Nigel Adkins the tools to try and finish whatever - top two, top six. But certainly that’s where we need to be as a football club, and so the more good players you can get the better of course. Signing Adam is like a bit of relief it feels, for me, and just a good signing and another one I think: ‘Right, done. Let’s move on to the next one’, because we have a bit to do. And I’ve mentioned this before, I don’t want to be signing 10, 12 players every summer. I want to be signing two or three and hopefully that’s where we’ll be next summer fingers crossed.”
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There's some names I'd forgotten on that Roland list. Did Ceballos do anything other than that awful corner at Derby?1
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I think there are plenty of naysayers and doom-mongers that can take our first couple of games without scoring goals as a sign that this season is already a write-off. On the flip side, we contained a relegated Championship side to a reasonable 0-0 result and we continued our yearly tradition of using League Cup games to give fringe players another run out. The sky is not falling, I assure you, despite loud noises in echo chambers that would suggest otherwise.
Yes, I think we do not have enough quality, attacking players in our squad right now.
Yes, I think the squad is comparatively weaker now than it was at the end of last season.
Yes, I think we are lacking options from the bench that could impact a game significantly.
It is my understanding from what I have heard and read that we are not going to spend recklessly and gamble on success. I think that is a fair and reasonable stance to take. I think we, as fans, and NA would have all preferred everything sorted earlier, but the business of football isn't like that. Slimy agents are all being equally slimy and are just trying to fleece clubs like us (new owner, former PL club, big-ish ground/support) for as much money as they can for the players. It's always going to be brinksmanship until either a club or an agent caves. You can try and piece together the inner workings of how we operate in this regard, but no-one knows anything aside from the recruitment cabal that, I believe, are actively trying to bring the players in that we will need to challenge for promotion. You can already start making assumptions about TS (or anyone in charge of the spending), but I'm going to remain patient until the end of the window.
We still have time in the window and there is likely still some budget to be spent, but I have a non-ITK feeling that it may only be 1-2 permanents and a continued heavy lean on the loan system. Even Ipswich, who are being cited as the buy-the-league team of League One, had their coffers significantly reinforced by the sale of Andre Dozzell. Their net spend is more than that income, but this remains a hugely competitive league where a number of clubs will all be competing for the same talent. The recognised talent of the Charlie Kirks of this world will also always have Championship clubs sniffing around too.
I get the feeling NA is equally tired by this issue and both he and fans might be disappointed with an average investment in the squad by the end of the window. But, crucially, we're not there yet. Our first XI can compete with anyone in this league, so they need to perform now until the window shuts.
Have patience and keep the pitchforks on ice
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Agreed....all Championship standard players (and Diarra, who was probably better than that).golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era0 -
Roland gave us a grand pre-Brexit farewell tour of wacky European ballers and misfits and for that I shall remain a little grateful3
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That’s incredibly disrespectful. Both are a lot better players than are being given credit.golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraDon’t let your frustrations with the window cloud views of a player before their time with us even gets off the ground.22 -
Didn't realise Kean Bryan is without club. Good player.PWADDICK said:
Yuri Ribeiro was another half decent player - Not outstanding.
Is Ibe still hanging on for a Championship move?
Barrie McKay is another with potential if we still can't get left wing sorted.1 -
Okay so in the interest of balance.golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??2 -
We’re 14/1 to go down. Terrible odds, but alarming i had to check3
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All championship standard players that were signed when we were in the Championship.Simonsen said:
Agreed....all Championship standard players (and Diarra, who was probably better than that).golfaddick said:
In retrospect players like Yoni Buyons, JBG, Vetokeke, Teixeira, Bulot & Watt were a damn sight better than Clare & Dobson.ForeverAddickted said:
Grass was always greener on the other side springs to mind.Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD era1
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