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  • MattF said:
    No more minutes for Ronnie Schwartz then
    Could be positive then, think he was at the Valley on Saturday as well.

    He certainly wasnt there for the Chef Wendy game if I remember rightly
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Leuth said:
    Just curious to work out if he's actually a half-decent prospect away from all the nepotism noise
    Well he was part of a shut out.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    MattF said:
    No more minutes for Ronnie Schwartz then
    Could be positive then, think he was at the Valley on Saturday as well.

    He certainly wasnt there for the Chef Wendy game if I remember rightly
    He's just picking and choosing which games he comes to watch
  • God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Sounds like a Vennings masterclass, subbed at 5-0 so he can play on Saturday? ;)
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    All changed when our young left-back charged forwards though...
  • Leuth said:
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    All changed when our young left-back charged forwards though...
    Got visions of this with Ged on the touchline!! ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SATixZjpr0o
  • The 25 uninterrupted passes is a little funny.  While technically true, it was 20 passes around the back with no pressure and then 5 passes leading to the goal
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    Good report.

    My guess is that with no one from Comms there they had to wait to get the video this morning to write the full report having given the result and scorers yesterday.

    Have Barnsley even mentioned the result yet?

    No mention of Aoucheria so assume he's injured or ill.

    They tried to pass the ball v Bromley last week but without being able to find a gap very often.

    Is Pearce the new Andy Hughes?
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,031
    Cafc43v3r said:
    All I can add is Herbie Keane, once linked to this Parish, played for Barnsley. 
    He would be the sort of deadline day signing that I would welcome. 
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    Agreed, the booing would start, just like it did on Saturday.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    DubaiCAFC said:
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    Agreed, the booing would start, just like it did on Saturday.
    shouts of "Forwards" and "Why do we have to do this" when we get the ball.

    This.  Is.  Why.

    Drag your opponents out of shape and capitalise on the space created.  Make them tired from chasing shadows.  Loads of reasons but it's also great to see CAFC players not panic in possession and playing a simple pass until an opening is created.  Great stuff.  Proper sexy football
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,905
    100% agree apart from when our 1st team do it they go backwards and sideways until they have to pass it back to the keeper who then has to knock it long anyway
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Leuth said:
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    All changed when our young left-back charged forwards though...
    You joke but this is precisely what has been missing from our attacking play so far this season. Lost count how many times I’ve seen Matthews and Gunter pass the ball up the line and hold their position. It’s like the floor is lava if they cross the halfway line.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Roddy at 18, playing in a successful victory with plenty of goal chances taken can only be a good thing for Roddy's development.
    I have only seen him play once and thought he was not ready and should play in the U23.i would prefer to see Jacob play with his peer group and make a judgement on his football ability and not who his Father is.


    In Bielik,s  second game from memory he had a shocker and was all at sea. The usual suspects gave him 4+5 on the players marks, ( he was caught in possession a few times ) I gave him a generous 6 and said he will do better when he remembers he at Cafc and it's best not to dribble out of your own area!

    I don't know if Jacob can do better at this stage but he needs to spend a season at U23 level so a decent assessment can be made. 

    Pleased that the guys showed they can play some football on the deck.


  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    Swisdom said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    Agreed, the booing would start, just like it did on Saturday.
    shouts of "Forwards" and "Why do we have to do this" when we get the ball.

    This.  Is.  Why.

    Drag your opponents out of shape and capitalise on the space created.  Make them tired from chasing shadows.  Loads of reasons but it's also great to see CAFC players not panic in possession and playing a simple pass until an opening is created.  Great stuff.  Proper sexy football
    100% agree. Watching from here in Dubai, you could feel the crowd creating pressure on our own team, after we played 5 pass across the back. So frustrating, that our fans can’t move forward with the style of play.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Let’s hope that in some kind of typically unpredictable and haphazard way the goals at least are somehow loaded on to the club website.
    It would cheer people up, and actually be about the football players playing at our club.
    More interesting than going on the site and reading about the centre circle dining experience, which in itself does not include a price or a menu.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Swisdom said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    Agreed, the booing would start, just like it did on Saturday.
    shouts of "Forwards" and "Why do we have to do this" when we get the ball.

    This.  Is.  Why.

    Drag your opponents out of shape and capitalise on the space created.  Make them tired from chasing shadows.  Loads of reasons but it's also great to see CAFC players not panic in possession and playing a simple pass until an opening is created.  Great stuff.  Proper sexy football
    100% agree. Watching from here in Dubai, you could feel the crowd creating pressure on our own team, after we played 5 pass across the back. So frustrating, that our fans can’t move forward with the style of play.
    It's not a Charlton problem is it.  Watching the England games in the pub in the summer it was just the same. 
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Swisdom said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    Agreed, the booing would start, just like it did on Saturday.
    shouts of "Forwards" and "Why do we have to do this" when we get the ball.

    This.  Is.  Why.

    Drag your opponents out of shape and capitalise on the space created.  Make them tired from chasing shadows.  Loads of reasons but it's also great to see CAFC players not panic in possession and playing a simple pass until an opening is created.  Great stuff.  Proper sexy football
    100% agree. Watching from here in Dubai, you could feel the crowd creating pressure on our own team, after we played 5 pass across the back. So frustrating, that our fans can’t move forward with the style of play.
    You need players brave enough to stick with it. I remember hearing Brighton fans reacted in a similar way under Poyet, but of course it becomes more accepted if it gets results.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Cafc43v3r said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Swisdom said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    Agreed, the booing would start, just like it did on Saturday.
    shouts of "Forwards" and "Why do we have to do this" when we get the ball.

    This.  Is.  Why.

    Drag your opponents out of shape and capitalise on the space created.  Make them tired from chasing shadows.  Loads of reasons but it's also great to see CAFC players not panic in possession and playing a simple pass until an opening is created.  Great stuff.  Proper sexy football
    100% agree. Watching from here in Dubai, you could feel the crowd creating pressure on our own team, after we played 5 pass across the back. So frustrating, that our fans can’t move forward with the style of play.
    It's not a Charlton problem is it.  Watching the England games in the pub in the summer it was just the same. 
    We have struggled to combat the high press for a number of years now. Teams know that if they press our defenders we end up hoofing it long they get the ball back.  Either our defenders are not comfortable enough in possession or the crowd getting with their back forces them to go long rather than trust the process. 

    It’s easy to play us when you press us.

    we need midfielders who create space, defenders who can pick a pass and a striker that makes it stick.  Then we become a different proposition but if any part of that process isn’t present it falls over.
    that goal the u23’s scored is a great example.  There are several times where we don’t appear to be going anywhere but they trust the process.  Eventually the attackers are less committed to pressing and a gap opens.  A few decent passes later and the defenders are the wrong side of the ball/man.  A nice one-two sets us off down the wing and the goal follows. Lovely stuff.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,972
    The frustration with Charlton playing the long passing game is that they are not very good at it. As I understand it the idea of this is to draw opponents out of position and for our players to find space near the opponents area to make quick incisive attacks from.
    But none of that happens as our players are so static and poor at passing under slight pressure.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,905
    When you look at the players in our 1st team at the moment they cant play a quick flowing passing game because most of them just dont have the technical ability to do so. On Saturday the only player that could control the ball when it was passed to them with any pace was Kirk
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited August 2021
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Swisdom said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    God the amount of fans that would hate watching that at the Valley

    Especially given the amount of times the ball goes backwards
    Agreed, the booing would start, just like it did on Saturday.
    shouts of "Forwards" and "Why do we have to do this" when we get the ball.

    This.  Is.  Why.

    Drag your opponents out of shape and capitalise on the space created.  Make them tired from chasing shadows.  Loads of reasons but it's also great to see CAFC players not panic in possession and playing a simple pass until an opening is created.  Great stuff.  Proper sexy football
    100% agree. Watching from here in Dubai, you could feel the crowd creating pressure on our own team, after we played 5 pass across the back. So frustrating, that our fans can’t move forward with the style of play.

    There is no problem with passing side ways or even backwards per se but  you must have players in the modern game who can inject some pace and either run forward with the ball opening up new angles or player movement to beat a defense.

    This season especially but even under Bowyer at times, we are so easy to negate.
    Watson is the Quintessential slow footballer now at this point in his career.
    He did not even play that bad but he can't run with the ball to create any new angles, so it's just keep ball where the opposition can just get men behind the ball until hitting Cafc in transition when the move invariably breaks down.

    Under pressure, playing back to keeper is fine but Dobson did it once when he had a decent forward option. And this has been repeated so many times this and at times last season.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    The goals from yesterday are up….if you’re a subscriber.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    No assists for Jacob
    You wait until Ged writes his version of the match report. 
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,897
    James Beadle picked for next weeks England squad 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    DOUCHER said:
    James Beadle picked for next weeks England squad 

    I wonder if 17 year old James Beadle will ever play for Cafc first team ? It's unlikely;
    Brighton are interested and have been monitoring his progress.

    The 18 and younger are a talented bunch at Charlton.

    Tutt was 19, and Pope 20 when making debuts, I wonder if Beadle has been told he could be number 1 at Cafc by the time he is 19 (if his forms good) that may stop him going to a premier club like Brighton and constantly going out on loan ? Then again it might not.

    Freddie Woodman has just made his premier debut at 24 despite being at Newcastle since 2013 when he was 16. Two years spent at Swansea as well as loan at Hartlepool, Crawley, Kilmarnock and Aberdeen.

    It's best not to get too attached to our young players as Paul Walsh, Paul Elliott, Lee Bowyer,Jon Joe Shelvey, Joe Gomez, Ademola Lookman, Joe Aribo, Alfie Dougherty etc, bloody etc, leave and the cycle starts again. 

    Aribo and Lookman both joined about 16 so not here as young kids.

  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    DOUCHER said:
    James Beadle picked for next weeks England squad 
    He’s also a big Charlton fan so you’d hope he’ll stick around to play for us.  Pretty sure he signed a contract not too long ago as well