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  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,213
    clive said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Anyone struggling locally, the wife only waited 10 minutes for fuel at the Tesco garage opposite eltham graveyard.   
    For those unfamiliar with the area, it's in the dead centre of Eltham.
    🥁 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,642
    Hal1x said:
    clb74 said:
    Hal1x said:
    SE10Addick said:
    There is no shortage of HGV drivers in the UK.

    There is/was a severe lack of drivers willing to do an often horrible job for £10 per hour.

    I would be if true, but the average petrol tanker wage is £33,500, so if you were on £10 an hour it would be time to switch.
    How many hours do they do a week for that money?
    isn't 56 still the normal max?
    If you’re correct that’s a pretty shitty £11.50 an hour
  • heckington_reds
    heckington_reds Posts: 727
    Short term solution would be to get the military involved with deliveries. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,642
    edited September 2021
    heckington_reds said:
    Short term solution would be to get the military involved with deliveries. 
    Shapps has said that’s a possibility but there may be technicalities with the army driving civilian vehicles whatever that means.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,258
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    heckington_reds said:
    Short term solution would be to get the military involved with deliveries. 
    Shapps has said that’s a possibility but there may be technicalities with the army driving civilian vehicles whatever that means.
    No petrol 
  • heckington_reds
    heckington_reds Posts: 727
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    heckington_reds said:
    Short term solution would be to get the military involved with deliveries. 
    Shapps has said that’s a possibility but there may be technicalities with the army driving civilian vehicles whatever that means.
    Insurance??
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,505
    clive said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Anyone struggling locally, the wife only waited 10 minutes for fuel at the Tesco garage opposite eltham graveyard.   
    For those unfamiliar with the area, it's in the dead centre of Eltham.
    Heard there's queues there as people are dying to get in...
  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,902
    Evidence of the queue at Sainsbury’s petrol station in Crayford:


  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,158
    Hal1x said:
    clb74 said:
    Hal1x said:
    SE10Addick said:
    There is no shortage of HGV drivers in the UK.

    There is/was a severe lack of drivers willing to do an often horrible job for £10 per hour.

    I would be if true, but the average petrol tanker wage is £33,500, so if you were on £10 an hour it would be time to switch.
    How many hours do they do a week for that money?
    isn't 56 still the normal max?
    Said on the radio the other day average age of HGV driver is 57.

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  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,832
    Macronate said:
    Evidence of the queue at Sainsbury’s petrol station in Crayford:



    That's the queue for the club shop discount.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,059
    Nothing to do with Brexit though…



  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,847
    Got to love how we’ve evolved as a race, amount of people I know who’ve gone out to buy fuel today is ridiculous. 

    Drove past a queue this morning and I’d hazard a guess three quarters probably had 150 miles worth already in their tank. 
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    heckington_reds said:
    Short term solution would be to get the military involved with deliveries. 
    Every single time there is an issue with things in this country, the go-to is "get the military" in like they have super powers to do shit that no one else can do
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,814
    the army barely have a thousand drivers with the qualifications to drive HGVs let along tankers
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,505

  • Justin20474
    Justin20474 Posts: 757
    I feel like a winner…….

    I went to the valley to use my discount voucher for the new white away shirt, drove out of the ground on to the Woolwich road and the BP not only had fuel but there was no-one queuing. 

    Bring it on, I’m getting a euro millions lottery ticket tonight 🙏
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,614
    _MrDick said:
    Missus has just called. She’s on 57 miles before empty. Said the queue for the Shell station at Blendon was back to beyond the 3 Blackbirds which is probably about 500m away. Absolute madness
    Just drove past there and there weren't any queues at all. They're out of petrol though
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,691
    Gribbo said:

    You need to drink more water 

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  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,887
    Longfield open but very long queue.

    what a shit hole country we live in
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,052
    .

  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,505
    edited September 2021
    se9addick said:
    Nothing to do with Brexit though…




    Report in France from a couple of weeks back - https://www.lenouvelliste.ch/articles/economie/leurope-manque-de-camionneurs-1104722

    Headline says - "Low wages, high training costs and retirements are reducing the number of truck drivers. The situation is particularly bad in Italy."




    Report in France a couple of months back - https://trm24.fr/la-penurie-de-routiers-persiste-dans-le-monde/

    Headline says - "The shortage of trucker contues worlwide"




    I've seen special news reports on French TV over the last 18 months or so, saying that it's also bad in Holland and Germany.


  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,642
    So there are shortages of HGV drivers in France, Germany, Italy and Holland. The U.K. even having relaxed visa restrictions in order to satisfy our shortage will be competing with all these nations for those highly sought after Eastern European drivers. Where will I wonder be most attractive to them. The EU where they have exactly the same workers rights and protections as in their homes in Poland. The same health protections and benefits or go to the U.K. which has effectively just told them to do one. If it wasn’t so serious it would be hilarious. Personally I blame the foreign drivers for being foreign.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,887
    How many school leavers are encouraged to be truck drivers? They are all told to work on IT
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,505
    edited September 2021
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    So there are shortages of HGV drivers in France, Germany, Italy and Holland. The U.K. even having relaxed visa restrictions in order to satisfy our shortage will be competing with all these nations for those highly sought after Eastern European drivers. Where will I wonder be most attractive to them. The EU where they have exactly the same workers rights and protections as in their homes in Poland. The same health protections and benefits or go to the U.K. which has effectively just told them to do one. If it wasn’t so serious it would be hilarious. Personally I blame the foreign drivers for being foreign.
    lol If you want to spin it that way, feel free mate. I'm just pointing out that, even if this "petrol shortage" is down to a lack of drivers,the problem seems to be Worldwide, let alone Europewide. (although, apparently there isn't a petrol shortage at all,  it's just people emptying pumps because they're panic buying the selfish c****). 
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,621
    Todds_right_hook said:
    How many school leavers are encouraged to be truck drivers? They are all told to work on IT
    Or insist university is the only way.
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,814
    Germany has a shortage of about 10,000 drivers, not like the 100,000 one we have 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,470
    My friend's son has just qualified as a HGV driver - perfect timing. I'd be tempted myself if I had more free time.

    Got my diesel this morning at Sainsbury's Charlton - no queues. Asda looked empty as well.
  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,190
    As someone who holds a HGV1, (or C+E to use the correct term, look on the rear of your licence) and use to hold an ADR, qualification required to driver a tanker full of 1202 /1203 (UN Numbers), the time taken to train an driver is not just in 5 minutes, After HGV medical, £120 Car to HGV1 takes about 10days, (£1200) Then 5days DQC card training.(£500-600) Then apply and receive ADR training (for all classes tanks and packages with exams £2000+) training for type specific  equipment i.e. loading and discharging. Route learning . THEN you can start delivering fuel to the forecourts all for about £40k 45k per annum on 4on 3off rolling shift pattern. All with driving on the roads with other numnuts that use our roads.
    The Army/RAF/Navy certainly have the number of drivers and the qualifications, but will still need a certain amount of training before delivering fuel, because if 30k of Petrol goes BANG it stays BANG and BANG in a very big way!!
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