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Cafc43v3r said:
It was O'Reily I was thinking of. Fish is already "all elite" isn't he?Friend Or Defoe said:Cafc43v3r said:
He has left hasn't he? Same as the other one from the who's name escapes me.Gravesend_Addick said:I see Johnny Gargano's WWE contract is up. I think he's brilliant. I think he could do really well in AEW if he doesn't re sign with WWE
AEW can't sign them all.....Bobby Fish?Gargano, Chiampa and O'Reily hugged in the middle of the ring after Wargames. Are they all off? WTF? Reminds me when Bobby Rhoode and EC3 left TNA, it left no one worth watching.Surprised by Jeff, he was on The Broken Skull recently saying how that was all behind him now, he's been clean for years and I brought in to it.
If they sign everyone that the WWE release they will end up with the same problem. Adam Cole is already getting lost in the mix.
Cole was lost in the mix as soon as he joined The Elite. He's behind Omega and The Young Bucks in the pecking order.
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Yup the same people people were moaning about being lost on "the main roster" will now be lost on AEWs inter net shows.Friend Or Defoe said:Cafc43v3r said:
It was O'Reily I was thinking of. Fish is already "all elite" isn't he?Friend Or Defoe said:Cafc43v3r said:
He has left hasn't he? Same as the other one from the who's name escapes me.Gravesend_Addick said:I see Johnny Gargano's WWE contract is up. I think he's brilliant. I think he could do really well in AEW if he doesn't re sign with WWE
AEW can't sign them all.....Bobby Fish?Gargano, Chiampa and O'Reily hugged in the middle of the ring after Wargames. Are they all off? WTF? Reminds me when Bobby Rhoode and EC3 left TNA, it left no one worth watching.Surprised by Jeff, he was on The Broken Skull recently saying how that was all behind him now, he's been clean for years and I brought in to it.
If they sign everyone that the WWE release they will end up with the same problem. Adam Cole is already getting lost in the mix.
Cole was lost in the mix as soon as he joined The Elite. He's behind Omega and The Young Bucks in the pecking order.
The problem is there are too many people permanently on TV/Internet/any other way of watching it. Nothing is new and everyone is a star, no one is a super star.0 -
Was Cole lost in the roster in NXT? Was always on Takeover around the main event, held the strap. Now he definitely is, unless he fueds with Omega for the leadership which i can't see happening any time soon.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup the same people people were moaning about being lost on "the main roster" will now be lost on AEWs inter net shows.Friend Or Defoe said:Cafc43v3r said:
It was O'Reily I was thinking of. Fish is already "all elite" isn't he?Friend Or Defoe said:Cafc43v3r said:
He has left hasn't he? Same as the other one from the who's name escapes me.Gravesend_Addick said:I see Johnny Gargano's WWE contract is up. I think he's brilliant. I think he could do really well in AEW if he doesn't re sign with WWE
AEW can't sign them all.....Bobby Fish?Gargano, Chiampa and O'Reily hugged in the middle of the ring after Wargames. Are they all off? WTF? Reminds me when Bobby Rhoode and EC3 left TNA, it left no one worth watching.Surprised by Jeff, he was on The Broken Skull recently saying how that was all behind him now, he's been clean for years and I brought in to it.
If they sign everyone that the WWE release they will end up with the same problem. Adam Cole is already getting lost in the mix.
Cole was lost in the mix as soon as he joined The Elite. He's behind Omega and The Young Bucks in the pecking order.
The problem is there are too many people permanently on TV/Internet/any other way of watching it. Nothing is new and everyone is a star, no one is a super star.
The guy in the middle may be the most talented of the three.
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It's good how rarer these videos are becoming.Cafc43v3r said:0 -
That's the point though, he was "over" in NXT and ROH and people that liked him there, where he was featured and "pushed" don't like it when he isn't main eventing RAW, Smackdown or Dynamite.Friend Or Defoe said:
Was Cole lost in the roster in NXT? Was always on Takeover around the main event, held the strap. Now he definitely is, unless he fueds with Omega for the leadership which i can't see happening any time soon.Cafc43v3r said:
Yup the same people people were moaning about being lost on "the main roster" will now be lost on AEWs inter net shows.Friend Or Defoe said:Cafc43v3r said:
It was O'Reily I was thinking of. Fish is already "all elite" isn't he?Friend Or Defoe said:Cafc43v3r said:
He has left hasn't he? Same as the other one from the who's name escapes me.Gravesend_Addick said:I see Johnny Gargano's WWE contract is up. I think he's brilliant. I think he could do really well in AEW if he doesn't re sign with WWE
AEW can't sign them all.....Bobby Fish?Gargano, Chiampa and O'Reily hugged in the middle of the ring after Wargames. Are they all off? WTF? Reminds me when Bobby Rhoode and EC3 left TNA, it left no one worth watching.Surprised by Jeff, he was on The Broken Skull recently saying how that was all behind him now, he's been clean for years and I brought in to it.
If they sign everyone that the WWE release they will end up with the same problem. Adam Cole is already getting lost in the mix.
Cole was lost in the mix as soon as he joined The Elite. He's behind Omega and The Young Bucks in the pecking order.
The problem is there are too many people permanently on TV/Internet/any other way of watching it. Nothing is new and everyone is a star, no one is a super star.
The guy in the middle may be the most talented of the three.
Because everything is accessible this generation has dozens, if not 100s, of Shane Douglaie.
Sometimes you will get people that are presented by one company and get over, then jumpship and get buried by the other, or via versa. Or some mid card guy that the other repackages and makes a star. Vader, Y2J and Taker are 3 pretty good examples of that.
Because of the Internet, and I remember the early Joe v Daniels ROH stuff, everyone is visible.
If you were Tony what do with Omega and Page over the next two years? Assuming Bryan in the champ?
Its easy booking people on the way up, how do you keep them relevant on the way down without making them look weak? The easiest way is for them to go away for a year, 18 months, 2 years. But where?0 -
And he was 86, not 36.Friend Or Defoe said:
It's good how rarer these videos are becoming.Cafc43v3r said:2 -
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I disagree that Cole is lost in the shuffle on AEW. Whilst it’s not possible to have him, and a bunch of others, in the main event picture at all times - he’s still being used every week. AEW have a brilliant problem in the sense that their mid-card is still very strong.
They’ve planted the seed for future angles (ie - Kenny Omega) and have teamed him up with one of the most recognisable tag teams on the show. Don’t see what the issue is really.
“Lost in the shuffle” in WWE terms would be having them completely missing for about 2 months with a completely watered down version of their potential best.What AEW are doing is much, much better. Hence why such names are willing to jump ship in the first place.0 -
Also, just watched Rampage.
Hook looked awesome…He was ‘over’ before he had even started his first match and before he has even said a word live on air. Good way to introduce a young talent and build up the mystique around him slowly.2 - Sponsored links:
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Helps that his"hype man" is his dad, Taz, one of the best talkers in the gamecafctom said:Also, just watched Rampage.
Hook looked awesome…He was ‘over’ before he had even started his first match and before he has even said a word live on air. Good way to introduce a young talent and build up the mystique around him slowly.2 -
Lost in the shuffle in the Curt Hennig in the NWO sense. Annoyingly he would have been perfect in the horseman. Not that i'm going off topic due to an angle in 1997 that still grates me. 🥺cafctom said:I disagree that Cole is lost in the shuffle on AEW. Whilst it’s not possible to have him, and a bunch of others, in the main event picture at all times - he’s still being used every week. AEW have a brilliant problem in the sense that their mid-card is still very strong.
They’ve planted the seed for future angles (ie - Kenny Omega) and have teamed him up with one of the most recognisable tag teams on the show. Don’t see what the issue is really.
“Lost in the shuffle” in WWE terms would be having them completely missing for about 2 months with a completely watered down version of their potential best.What AEW are doing is much, much better. Hence why such names are willing to jump ship in the first place.0 -
AEW's mid card is, without going full Corrnett, absolute outlaw mud show garbage. AEW have the best in ring performing wrestler in the world, the icon that can still go, the world's best tag team and some other real quality talent. Last weeks Dynamite was a classic example, stars to "who the fuck are these people and why should I care". If your still watching when Bryan comes on hats off.cafctom said:I disagree that Cole is lost in the shuffle on AEW. Whilst it’s not possible to have him, and a bunch of others, in the main event picture at all times - he’s still being used every week. AEW have a brilliant problem in the sense that their mid-card is still very strong.
They’ve planted the seed for future angles (ie - Kenny Omega) and have teamed him up with one of the most recognisable tag teams on the show. Don’t see what the issue is really.
“Lost in the shuffle” in WWE terms would be having them completely missing for about 2 months with a completely watered down version of their potential best.What AEW are doing is much, much better. Hence why such names are willing to jump ship in the first place.
In a week when one of the best agents of all time passed, it's telling that they agent their own matches. Mud show. Outlaw. Cos playing. Mother fuckers.1 -
I assume by best tag team you mean FTR? If so i am in full agreement.1
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Yup AEW have about half a dozen people I would pay to see, that about 4 more than the WWE have but the rest of it is soooo bad. Its like the cow boy books 1/4 of the show and Russo books the other 3/4.Friend Or Defoe said:I assume by best tag team you mean FTR? If so i am in full agreement.0 -
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Owens will not be "all elite" re-signed with the E.0
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Wouldn't have been surprised if he left or stayed. Owens would always go where he could get more money for himself and his family.Cafc43v3r said:Owens will not be "all elite" re-signed with the E.
Hopefully they will use him better going forward, but I won't hold my breath.1 -
If Gargano v Ciampa was the best NXT fued. Zayn v Owens was the second.Addick_and_Chips said:
Wouldn't have been surprised if he left or stayed. Owens would always go where he could get more money for himself and his family.Cafc43v3r said:Owens will not be "all elite" re-signed with the E.
Hopefully they will use him better going forward, but I won't hold my breath.1 -
Zayn and Owens was probably the best fued/partnership of the 10s across promotions.Friend Or Defoe said:
If Gargano v Ciampa was the best NXT fued. Zayn v Owens was the second.Addick_and_Chips said:
Wouldn't have been surprised if he left or stayed. Owens would always go where he could get more money for himself and his family.Cafc43v3r said:Owens will not be "all elite" re-signed with the E.
Hopefully they will use him better going forward, but I won't hold my breath.1 - Sponsored links:
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Garbage compared to what exactly?Cafc43v3r said:
AEW's mid card is, without going full Corrnett, absolute outlaw mud show garbage. AEW have the best in ring performing wrestler in the world, the icon that can still go, the world's best tag team and some other real quality talent. Last weeks Dynamite was a classic example, stars to "who the fuck are these people and why should I care". If your still watching when Bryan comes on hats off.cafctom said:I disagree that Cole is lost in the shuffle on AEW. Whilst it’s not possible to have him, and a bunch of others, in the main event picture at all times - he’s still being used every week. AEW have a brilliant problem in the sense that their mid-card is still very strong.
They’ve planted the seed for future angles (ie - Kenny Omega) and have teamed him up with one of the most recognisable tag teams on the show. Don’t see what the issue is really.
“Lost in the shuffle” in WWE terms would be having them completely missing for about 2 months with a completely watered down version of their potential best.What AEW are doing is much, much better. Hence why such names are willing to jump ship in the first place.
In a week when one of the best agents of all time passed, it's telling that they agent their own matches. Mud show. Outlaw. Cos playing. Mother fuckers.I’m not suggesting the show is perfect or anything like that, but in my mind, garbage is the likes of RK-Bro or Goldberg.
As far as mainstream televised wrestling goes, AEW is as strong as anything in the last twenty years.
As for Adam Cole - I think they’re doing the right thing by just letting him be Adam Cole for now. Get the juice out of his presence for a bit before moving him into an intricate program. I think it’s clear he will have some sort of clash with either Omega or Page and there will be a ton of storytelling they can lean on if need be.0 -
Just because it's better than the current WWE doesn't make it good.cafctom said:
Garbage compared to what exactly?Cafc43v3r said:
AEW's mid card is, without going full Corrnett, absolute outlaw mud show garbage. AEW have the best in ring performing wrestler in the world, the icon that can still go, the world's best tag team and some other real quality talent. Last weeks Dynamite was a classic example, stars to "who the fuck are these people and why should I care". If your still watching when Bryan comes on hats off.cafctom said:I disagree that Cole is lost in the shuffle on AEW. Whilst it’s not possible to have him, and a bunch of others, in the main event picture at all times - he’s still being used every week. AEW have a brilliant problem in the sense that their mid-card is still very strong.
They’ve planted the seed for future angles (ie - Kenny Omega) and have teamed him up with one of the most recognisable tag teams on the show. Don’t see what the issue is really.
“Lost in the shuffle” in WWE terms would be having them completely missing for about 2 months with a completely watered down version of their potential best.What AEW are doing is much, much better. Hence why such names are willing to jump ship in the first place.
In a week when one of the best agents of all time passed, it's telling that they agent their own matches. Mud show. Outlaw. Cos playing. Mother fuckers.I’m not suggesting the show is perfect or anything like that, but in my mind, garbage is the likes of RK-Bro or Goldberg.
As far as mainstream televised wrestling goes, AEW is as strong as anything in the last twenty years.
As for Adam Cole - I think they’re doing the right thing by just letting him be Adam Cole for now. Get the juice out of his presence for a bit before moving him into an intricate program. I think it’s clear he will have some sort of clash with either Omega or Page and there will be a ton of storytelling they can lean on if need be.
It's like watching 2 different shows, even JR mentioned it live on air after the Punk MJF segment the other week. The stuff with Punk, Bryan, MJF, most of Derby's stuff, FTR in the ring holds up to any wrestling TV ever. It's not quite Rock Austin but it's very very good.
Then it's an hour of trash, every week. There is enough talent there to do it better. Its obvious no one ever says no, no one produces the segments. It's the "talent" doing what they want. Neither RAW nor Nitro were 2 hours of gold every week but neither of them were as bad as this gets. Quite often they weren't as good as this gets either.
I don't watch RAW or Smackdown anymore, I do watch Dynamite most weeks, or at least try. So I am not a "WWE fan boy". The good is soooo good, the bad is fucking awful. There is still more bad than good, even though the bad does contain some obviously talented people. Just get Arn, Tully, Dustin and Chavo to agent segments and the whole thing would improve by 100% and those people that watched Punks debut, 25% of who don't watch it now, would soon come back.2 -
I agree there is a divide between the top tier stuff (Punk, MJF, Darby etc - which is superb) and the rest. I just disagree that the rest is ‘awful’ which I guess is a matter of opinion. The likes of Samy Guevara, Aleisteir Black, Eddie Kingston, Miro, Britt Baker, Cody, Team Taz and Chris Jericho all can deliver interesting mid card segments.Cafc43v3r said:
Just because it's better than the current WWE doesn't make it good.cafctom said:
Garbage compared to what exactly?Cafc43v3r said:
AEW's mid card is, without going full Corrnett, absolute outlaw mud show garbage. AEW have the best in ring performing wrestler in the world, the icon that can still go, the world's best tag team and some other real quality talent. Last weeks Dynamite was a classic example, stars to "who the fuck are these people and why should I care". If your still watching when Bryan comes on hats off.cafctom said:I disagree that Cole is lost in the shuffle on AEW. Whilst it’s not possible to have him, and a bunch of others, in the main event picture at all times - he’s still being used every week. AEW have a brilliant problem in the sense that their mid-card is still very strong.
They’ve planted the seed for future angles (ie - Kenny Omega) and have teamed him up with one of the most recognisable tag teams on the show. Don’t see what the issue is really.
“Lost in the shuffle” in WWE terms would be having them completely missing for about 2 months with a completely watered down version of their potential best.What AEW are doing is much, much better. Hence why such names are willing to jump ship in the first place.
In a week when one of the best agents of all time passed, it's telling that they agent their own matches. Mud show. Outlaw. Cos playing. Mother fuckers.I’m not suggesting the show is perfect or anything like that, but in my mind, garbage is the likes of RK-Bro or Goldberg.
As far as mainstream televised wrestling goes, AEW is as strong as anything in the last twenty years.
As for Adam Cole - I think they’re doing the right thing by just letting him be Adam Cole for now. Get the juice out of his presence for a bit before moving him into an intricate program. I think it’s clear he will have some sort of clash with either Omega or Page and there will be a ton of storytelling they can lean on if need be.
It's like watching 2 different shows, even JR mentioned it live on air after the Punk MJF segment the other week. The stuff with Punk, Bryan, MJF, most of Derby's stuff, FTR in the ring holds up to any wrestling TV ever. It's not quite Rock Austin but it's very very good.
Then it's an hour of trash, every week. There is enough talent there to do it better. Its obvious no one ever says no, no one produces the segments. It's the "talent" doing what they want. Neither RAW nor Nitro were 2 hours of gold every week but neither of them were as bad as this gets. Quite often they weren't as good as this gets either.
I don't watch RAW or Smackdown anymore, I do watch Dynamite most weeks, or at least try. So I am not a "WWE fan boy". The good is soooo good, the bad is fucking awful. There is still more bad than good, even though the bad does contain some obviously talented people. Just get Arn, Tully, Dustin and Chavo to agent segments and the whole thing would improve by 100% and those people that watched Punks debut, 25% of who don't watch it now, would soon come back.
I don’t adore the likes of The Young Bucks, Jungle Boy or Christian - but they’re watchable. The only ‘big’ name they have which I find a little bit cringeworthy is Orange Cassidy, who is on TV too much.Modern televised wrestling does need to be a bit of a variety show. That means some things will work for some viewers and others won’t.And as good as FTR are, if everything on the show looked and acted like them then people would tune out in their droves. Great wrestlers and all, but to the untrained eye they are bland.0 -
I haven't seen this weeks yet, but I can't wait for next week's Dynamite.0
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Keep getting this ad on here. The resemblance is uncanny.
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But your missing the point, it isn't lack of talent in the mid card that's the problem. It's how they are used and how the TV is formated.cafctom said:
I agree there is a divide between the top tier stuff (Punk, MJF, Darby etc - which is superb) and the rest. I just disagree that the rest is ‘awful’ which I guess is a matter of opinion. The likes of Samy Guevara, Aleisteir Black, Eddie Kingston, Miro, Britt Baker, Cody, Team Taz and Chris Jericho all can deliver interesting mid card segments.Cafc43v3r said:
Just because it's better than the current WWE doesn't make it good.cafctom said:
Garbage compared to what exactly?Cafc43v3r said:
AEW's mid card is, without going full Corrnett, absolute outlaw mud show garbage. AEW have the best in ring performing wrestler in the world, the icon that can still go, the world's best tag team and some other real quality talent. Last weeks Dynamite was a classic example, stars to "who the fuck are these people and why should I care". If your still watching when Bryan comes on hats off.cafctom said:I disagree that Cole is lost in the shuffle on AEW. Whilst it’s not possible to have him, and a bunch of others, in the main event picture at all times - he’s still being used every week. AEW have a brilliant problem in the sense that their mid-card is still very strong.
They’ve planted the seed for future angles (ie - Kenny Omega) and have teamed him up with one of the most recognisable tag teams on the show. Don’t see what the issue is really.
“Lost in the shuffle” in WWE terms would be having them completely missing for about 2 months with a completely watered down version of their potential best.What AEW are doing is much, much better. Hence why such names are willing to jump ship in the first place.
In a week when one of the best agents of all time passed, it's telling that they agent their own matches. Mud show. Outlaw. Cos playing. Mother fuckers.I’m not suggesting the show is perfect or anything like that, but in my mind, garbage is the likes of RK-Bro or Goldberg.
As far as mainstream televised wrestling goes, AEW is as strong as anything in the last twenty years.
As for Adam Cole - I think they’re doing the right thing by just letting him be Adam Cole for now. Get the juice out of his presence for a bit before moving him into an intricate program. I think it’s clear he will have some sort of clash with either Omega or Page and there will be a ton of storytelling they can lean on if need be.
It's like watching 2 different shows, even JR mentioned it live on air after the Punk MJF segment the other week. The stuff with Punk, Bryan, MJF, most of Derby's stuff, FTR in the ring holds up to any wrestling TV ever. It's not quite Rock Austin but it's very very good.
Then it's an hour of trash, every week. There is enough talent there to do it better. Its obvious no one ever says no, no one produces the segments. It's the "talent" doing what they want. Neither RAW nor Nitro were 2 hours of gold every week but neither of them were as bad as this gets. Quite often they weren't as good as this gets either.
I don't watch RAW or Smackdown anymore, I do watch Dynamite most weeks, or at least try. So I am not a "WWE fan boy". The good is soooo good, the bad is fucking awful. There is still more bad than good, even though the bad does contain some obviously talented people. Just get Arn, Tully, Dustin and Chavo to agent segments and the whole thing would improve by 100% and those people that watched Punks debut, 25% of who don't watch it now, would soon come back.
I don’t adore the likes of The Young Bucks, Jungle Boy or Christian - but they’re watchable. The only ‘big’ name they have which I find a little bit cringeworthy is Orange Cassidy, who is on TV too much.Modern televised wrestling does need to be a bit of a variety show. That means some things will work for some viewers and others won’t.And as good as FTR are, if everything on the show looked and acted like them then people would tune out in their droves. Great wrestlers and all, but to the untrained eye they are bland.
Too many people that shouldn't be on TV doing goofy shit that involves people that should be on TV doing serious stuff. Take the tag division, you have got 3 of the best tag team wrestlers ever in the company, use them to help agent the tag matchs, teaching them the rules would be a start.
The other issue is that someone either doesn't understand the difference between being over with a small audience and being "over" or doesn't think its important. It's almost like they work on the bases that everyone that debuts is automatically over.0 -
They haven't got Owens but AEW have the three original members of the undistributed era!Addick_and_Chips said:
Wouldn't have been surprised if he left or stayed. Owens would always go where he could get more money for himself and his family.Cafc43v3r said:Owens will not be "all elite" re-signed with the E.
Hopefully they will use him better going forward, but I won't hold my breath.1 -
And there it is…..An interesting plot developing for Adam Cole as predicted.1
