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Palace fans wetting themselves over their FA Cup draw vs Millwall
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MillwallFan said:
As the crow flies swims 😆bobmunro said:
Didn't move that far? There's a big f*ck off strip of water there - and we all know that the wrong side of the river is north.MillwallFan said:
Existing stadia? The old den?Henry Irving said:
They were just copying Palace, Chelsea and Liverpool, all created as franchises to utilise existing stadiabobmunro said:
I always take the view that a football club should be named after the community within which it is located and purports to engage with and represent.MillwallFan said:
Still didn’t turn pro until 1920. So Millwall are the oldest professional football club in South London 😉Henry Irving said:
"Professional" doing at lot of work here.MillwallFan said:
Ok, clutching at straws here, but you was still a boys club in 1905. We was a professional club playing in SE London before Charlton were.Lordflashheart said:
Boom @MillwallFan !!!Henry Irving said:
And we were here firstForeverAddickted said:
Explains why they never win anything thenHenry Irving said:
Milwal are not a South London club.The Red Robin said:
Exactly. Millwall are a South London club. Palace are not.seth plum said:Both clubs are chite miserable entities, but there is a certain amount of authenticity about Millwall whereas Crystal Palace are a plastic concocted confection of crap.
Formed by Scots, they play in Scottish colours and have a Scottish badge. And Millwall is NORTH of the river1905 Charlton - Millwall moved to the correct side of the river 1910 - read it and weep 😉😁
And by 1910 the boys were five years older so 19/20/21 years old
Bermondsey FC perhaps or were Millwall the first Franchise FC?Truth is, as a club, Millwall out grew the island. We was actually quite a big and well supported club then. As the crow flies we didn’t actually move that far. And even as recently as the 80’s and 90’s you’d still get plenty of islanders walking through the pipe to come and watch home games.
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I don’t know tbh but I know we once got 15k over there for a game v West Ham, which in those days, baring in mind those grounds we played on over there were basically glorified recreational grounds, isn’t a bad crowd. And was too big for the island to host.seth plum said:Wasn’t the last game on the island against Woolwich Arsenal, well supported by a crowd of 3000?Once in New Cross our crowds grew and grew as the islanders carried on the support and we drew new support from the surrounding areas south of the water.1920’s and 30’s we was regularly getting crowds of 30-40k, but as a club we was hit particularly bad by WW2, lost momentum there, and never really recovered from that.1 -
You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.19
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MillwallFan said:
I don’t know tbh but I know we once got 15k over there for a game v West Ham, which in those days, baring in mind those grounds we played on over there were basically glorified recreational grounds, isn’t a bad crowd. And was too big for the island to host.seth plum said:Wasn’t the last game on the island against Woolwich Arsenal, well supported by a crowd of 3000?Once in New Cross our crowds grew and grew as the islanders carried on the support and we drew new support from the surrounding areas south of the water.1920’s and 30’s we was regularly getting crowds of 30-40k, but as a club we was hit particularly bad by WW2, lost momentum there, and never really recovered from that.
Ah, WW2 didn't West Ham start that?
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My son plays against Millwall Albion at football and Millwall stars Cricket Club both north of the river ....
the scum is what washed up on the other side of the thames southside5 -
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.6 -
Are you going to go to the Millwall v Palace game with your scum mates?oohaahmortimer said:My son plays against Millwall Albion at football and Millwall stars Cricket Club both north of the river ....
the scum is what washed up on the other side of the thames southside2 -
@MillwallFan, you get a promote here for every palice prick you floor
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On a point of information, Millwall supporters and those in their locality didn't strike break in the 1926 general strike whilst West Ham stood firm. There is a Curbishley like myth that Millwall orientated workers were scabs at that time, so West Ham fans seize on that lie to try to get a sense of moral superiority, but they weren't scabs as any cursory research would show.
Indeed the modern London Stadium malarkey establishes Millwall as a club right now, to be way ahead of West Ham in the morality stakes.1 -
Yep, total myth that one. I think a few west ham fans heard a similar myth relating to Portsmouth and Southampton and made it their own, and it snow balled. They actually think it’s a fact now and talk about their old grandads hating the ‘Millwall scabs’. Total rubbish. Truth is at the time of the general strike we hadn’t long left the island and the docks on both sides of the Thames would have had plenty of Millwall working there.seth plum said:On a point of information, Millwall supporters and those in their locality didn't strike break in the 1926 general strike whilst West Ham stood firm. There is a Curbishley like myth that Millwall orientated workers were scabs at that time, so West Ham fans seize on that lie to try to get a sense of moral superiority, but they weren't scabs as any cursory research would show.
Indeed the modern London Stadium malarkey establishes Millwall as a club right now, to be way ahead of West Ham in the morality stakes.0 -
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On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.
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Did I read somewhere you got something like 19 thousand a couple of weeks before in a league game?Lordflashheart said:
On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.0 -
I’m on the train at moment - let me get home, and consult the superb book ‘Home and Away with Charlton Athletic’ and I can find outMillwallFan said:
Did I read somewhere you got something like 19 thousand a couple of weeks before in a league game?Lordflashheart said:
On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.
I can also list the 50,000 plus crowds at The Valley for you if you like (it’s quite a long list though, so bear with me 😉)1 -
I’m on tenterhooks 😆Lordflashheart said:
I’m on the train at moment - let me get home, and consult the superb book ‘Home and Away with Charlton Athletic’ and I can find outMillwallFan said:
Did I read somewhere you got something like 19 thousand a couple of weeks before in a league game?Lordflashheart said:
On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.
I can also list the 50,000 plus crowds at The Valley for you if you like (it’s quite a long list though, so bear with me 😉)3 -
Just had a Google. That season you got 75k, a few weeks earlier v Liverpool you got 19k, a bit before that v Chelsea you got 50k and a few weeks before that v Grimsby you got 16k. That’s some crazy fluctuations in crowds.Lordflashheart said:
I’m on the train at moment - let me get home, and consult the superb book ‘Home and Away with Charlton Athletic’ and I can find outMillwallFan said:
Did I read somewhere you got something like 19 thousand a couple of weeks before in a league game?Lordflashheart said:
On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.
I can also list the 50,000 plus crowds at The Valley for you if you like (it’s quite a long list though, so bear with me 😉)1 -
I am pretty sure I am correct - @Henry Irving I am sure can confirm this - but Charlton were one of the worst in terms of under reporting their attendances for many many years - so it’s likely that The Valley got near 100,000 at times0
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I blame West Ham fans….MillwallFan said:
Just had a Google. That season you got 75k, a few weeks earlier v Liverpool you got 19k, a bit before that v Chelsea you got 50k and a few weeks before that v Grimsby you got 16k. That’s some crazy fluctuations in crowds.Lordflashheart said:
I’m on the train at moment - let me get home, and consult the superb book ‘Home and Away with Charlton Athletic’ and I can find outMillwallFan said:
Did I read somewhere you got something like 19 thousand a couple of weeks before in a league game?Lordflashheart said:
On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.
I can also list the 50,000 plus crowds at The Valley for you if you like (it’s quite a long list though, so bear with me 😉)1 -
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And there I was thinking that not having to play Millwall for another season would mean we could not have the usual South London d!ck waving that we all enjoy each time we play them 😂2
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The low crowd for Grimsby is self explanatory 😂MillwallFan said:
Just had a Google. That season you got 75k, a few weeks earlier v Liverpool you got 19k, a bit before that v Chelsea you got 50k and a few weeks before that v Grimsby you got 16k. That’s some crazy fluctuations in crowds.Lordflashheart said:
I’m on the train at moment - let me get home, and consult the superb book ‘Home and Away with Charlton Athletic’ and I can find outMillwallFan said:
Did I read somewhere you got something like 19 thousand a couple of weeks before in a league game?Lordflashheart said:
On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.
I can also list the 50,000 plus crowds at The Valley for you if you like (it’s quite a long list though, so bear with me 😉)0 -
At a glance, also 17k v Leicester… 24k v Everton. Pretty average crowds for top flight football in that era. We was getting similar crowds the same season and we was two divisions below in the third division south.Todds_right_hook said:
The low crowd for Grimsby is self explanatory 😂MillwallFan said:
Just had a Google. That season you got 75k, a few weeks earlier v Liverpool you got 19k, a bit before that v Chelsea you got 50k and a few weeks before that v Grimsby you got 16k. That’s some crazy fluctuations in crowds.Lordflashheart said:
I’m on the train at moment - let me get home, and consult the superb book ‘Home and Away with Charlton Athletic’ and I can find outMillwallFan said:
Did I read somewhere you got something like 19 thousand a couple of weeks before in a league game?Lordflashheart said:
On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.
I can also list the 50,000 plus crowds at The Valley for you if you like (it’s quite a long list though, so bear with me 😉)Then you’d play a local Derby or a cup game and your gates would treble or even quadruple. Strange0 -
It was all your lot coming to watch a proper game 😉MillwallFan said:
At a glance, also 17k v Leicester… 24k v Everton. Pretty average crowds for top flight football in that era. We was getting similar crowds the same season and we was two divisions below in the third division south.Todds_right_hook said:
The low crowd for Grimsby is self explanatory 😂MillwallFan said:
Just had a Google. That season you got 75k, a few weeks earlier v Liverpool you got 19k, a bit before that v Chelsea you got 50k and a few weeks before that v Grimsby you got 16k. That’s some crazy fluctuations in crowds.Lordflashheart said:
I’m on the train at moment - let me get home, and consult the superb book ‘Home and Away with Charlton Athletic’ and I can find outMillwallFan said:
Did I read somewhere you got something like 19 thousand a couple of weeks before in a league game?Lordflashheart said:
On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.
I can also list the 50,000 plus crowds at The Valley for you if you like (it’s quite a long list though, so bear with me 😉)Then you’d play a local Derby or a cup game and your gates would treble or even quadruple. Strange5 -
Seth will confirm a lot of the turnstiles weren't operational for those games.5
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after the Liverpool game, every season ticket holder was allowed to bring 35 mates for freeMillwallFan said:
Just had a Google. That season you got 75k, a few weeks earlier v Liverpool you got 19k, a bit before that v Chelsea you got 50k and a few weeks before that v Grimsby you got 16k. That’s some crazy fluctuations in crowds.Lordflashheart said:
I’m on the train at moment - let me get home, and consult the superb book ‘Home and Away with Charlton Athletic’ and I can find outMillwallFan said:
Did I read somewhere you got something like 19 thousand a couple of weeks before in a league game?Lordflashheart said:
On the subject of best supported sides in the country, I would like to draw your attention to the following (BTW you need to go all the way down to 33rd to find Millwall 😂):-MillwallFan said:
That’s brutal.MrLargo said:You lost momentum? We finished 2nd, 4th and 3rd in Division 1 in the three seasons preceding World War 2. Fair to say that Hitler cost us at least one league title.We was the 11th best supported club in the country in 1939 and one of the wealthiest, despite being in the second division. We was signing a couple of internationals and was on the verge of promotion to the top flight, when war broke out, according to my grandad it was nailed on, god rest his soul.During the blitz our ground got bombed and a week later a fire broke out in the main stand and it completely burnt it to the ground.SE London and the docks suffered disproportionately badly during the war. I read somewhere that Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London during the blitz.Can you imagine if WW2 never happened? It could well be that Charlton and Millwall would have ended up the Spurs/Arsenal of today, and those two could’ve been flipping between the championship and L1.Slidding doors moments in history.
I can also list the 50,000 plus crowds at The Valley for you if you like (it’s quite a long list though, so bear with me 😉) 6 -
Ok - this is NOT exhaustive, and I have had a fair few pints of Guinness - I start 36/37 season
68,160 vs Arsenal
Average 31,086
37/38
55,078 vs Arsenal
51,125 vs Chelsea
75,031 vs Villa
Average 28,336
38/39
51,479 vs Arsenal
Average 25,617
45/46 (I have skipped war years)
50,000 vs Derby (suspiciously ‘clean’ number !!)
(strangely only 38,450 vs Arsenal)
Average 28,991
46/47
57,983 vs Arsenal
Average 32,401
47/48
60,323 vs Arsenal
58,866 vs Chelsea
Average 36,248
48/49
51,517 vs Arsenal
56,294 vs Birmingham
55,291 vs Man U
56,711 vs Newcastle
61,475 vs Pompey
Average 40,216
49/50
51,615 vs Arsenal
Average 34,567
50/51
63,539 vs Arsenal
61,480 vs Spurs
Average 29,293
51/52
57,031 vs Arsenal
Average 27,609
52/53
66,555 vs Arsenal
Average 25,298
53/54
60,259 vs Arsenal
56,664 vs Blackpool
Average 28,803
And after that ……. the decline began 😢
And before @MillwallFan comes back with how many Arsenal games are in that list, Millwall’s record attendance is 48,762, so not over 50,000, which Charlton - as we can see - have eclipsed many times
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Sort of proves my point, comparing your averages to biggest gates. Big fluctuations.Lordflashheart said:Ok - this is NOT exhaustive, and I have had a fair few pints of Guinness - I start 36/37 season
68,160 vs Arsenal
Average 31,086
37/38
55,078 vs Arsenal
51,125 vs Chelsea
75,031 vs Villa
Average 28,336
38/39
51,479 vs Arsenal
Average 25,617
45/46 (I have skipped war years)
50,000 vs Derby (suspiciously ‘clean’ number !!)
(strangely only 38,450 vs Arsenal)
Average 28,991
46/47
57,983 vs Arsenal
Average 32,401
47/48
60,323 vs Arsenal
58,866 vs Chelsea
Average 36,248
48/49
51,517 vs Arsenal
56,294 vs Birmingham
55,291 vs Man U
56,711 vs Newcastle
61,475 vs Pompey
Average 40,216
49/50
51,615 vs Arsenal
Average 34,567
50/51
63,539 vs Arsenal
61,480 vs Spurs
Average 29,293
51/52
57,031 vs Arsenal
Average 27,609
52/53
66,555 vs Arsenal
Average 25,298
53/54
60,259 vs Arsenal
56,664 vs Blackpool
Average 28,803
And after that ……. the decline began 😢
And before @MillwallFan comes back with how many Arsenal games are in that list, Millwall’s record attendance is 48,762, so not over 50,000, which Charlton - as we can see - have eclipsed many times
Thanking youMy theory is there wasn’t many other forms of entertainment back then. People didn’t even have tv’s in their homes. So if there was a big cup game or local Derby, people from all over would attend, regardless of whether they was Charlton fans or not. If the ground holds the numbers , which yours did, people would come.Football wasn’t so tribal then. Take my old grandad, he was fundamentally Millwall, but he just loved football and would go and watch it anywhere. If there was a big cup game somewhere else in London he would go and watch it. He used to go the valley, Stamford bridge, the Orient, all over. And of course you could just turn up and pay on the gate then.2 -
MillwallFan said:
Sort of proves my point, comparing your averages to biggest gates. Big fluctuations.Lordflashheart said:Ok - this is NOT exhaustive, and I have had a fair few pints of Guinness - I start 36/37 season
68,160 vs Arsenal
Average 31,086
37/38
55,078 vs Arsenal
51,125 vs Chelsea
75,031 vs Villa
Average 28,336
38/39
51,479 vs Arsenal
Average 25,617
45/46 (I have skipped war years)
50,000 vs Derby (suspiciously ‘clean’ number !!)
(strangely only 38,450 vs Arsenal)
Average 28,991
46/47
57,983 vs Arsenal
Average 32,401
47/48
60,323 vs Arsenal
58,866 vs Chelsea
Average 36,248
48/49
51,517 vs Arsenal
56,294 vs Birmingham
55,291 vs Man U
56,711 vs Newcastle
61,475 vs Pompey
Average 40,216
49/50
51,615 vs Arsenal
Average 34,567
50/51
63,539 vs Arsenal
61,480 vs Spurs
Average 29,293
51/52
57,031 vs Arsenal
Average 27,609
52/53
66,555 vs Arsenal
Average 25,298
53/54
60,259 vs Arsenal
56,664 vs Blackpool
Average 28,803
And after that ……. the decline began 😢
And before @MillwallFan comes back with how many Arsenal games are in that list, Millwall’s record attendance is 48,762, so not over 50,000, which Charlton - as we can see - have eclipsed many times
Thanking youMy theory is there wasn’t many other forms of entertainment back then. People didn’t even have tv’s in their homes. So if there was a big cup game or local Derby, people from all over would attend, regardless of whether they was Charlton fans or not. If the ground holds the numbers , which yours did, people would come.Football wasn’t so tribal then. Take my old grandad, he was fundamentally Millwall, but he just loved football and would go and watch it anywhere. If there was a big cup game somewhere else in London he would go and watch it. He used to go the valley, Stamford bridge, the Orient, all over. And of course you could just turn up and pay on the gate then.
My wife's dad was a Millwall fan, his dad a Charlton fan - they lived in New Cross/Deptford and used to go to The Den one week and The Valley the next. So I agree, tribalism wasn't as widespread as now.
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Is that why we wear red? Also, our biggest crowds and most successful league seasons coincided with Stalin's purges. I'm wondering now if having having CSKA Moscow as my second club is entirely coincidental.seth plum said:Millwall were started by well off factory workers, partially subsidised by the bosses and supported by a rich pub landlord.
Fecking posh boy Tories.
Charlton we’re founded by scrawny scruffy kids without a pot to piss in having a kick about in London’s meanest streets, where their only senior help came from the local community and a fish and chip shop owner spotting the ribs showing through the players shirts and wanting to feed them up.
No surprise Charlton were founded in 1905, the year of the first Russian Revolution.4
