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2022 January transfer window thread - Non Charlton, other transfers (D Day p52)
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Probably because people were too busy getting their knickers in a twist over Fraser.....charlton_hero said:
He should've been, he's having another good season.Scoham said:
I'm sure Cawley confirmed Twine wasn't a target of ours.charlton_hero said:I don't know why we didn't move quickly to secure Scott Twine last summer, I hope we're a bit more on it in the next couple of windows.0 -
Still too early to judge the sumner window as a whole and the individual ability of the signings. Clearly some are looking a lot better now than under Adkins and the end of the season will show how good it was.Cafc43v3r said:
Our recruitment in the summer was both good to very good and a fucking disaster.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Apart from Kirk (who at the time most people thought was a great signing) and Arter who else did we sign in the summer that was very poor recruitment?golfaddick said:
Love to see him back. Much better option off the bench than Davison.Sage said:
Well that cat got let out rather easily.Swisdom said:We are interested in an Aneke loan from what I’ve heard. Think he’s pissed off with the lack of minutes.
id be surprised if we kept Arter unless we have to. If there is an option to return I’d expect us to take it
I had spoken to a few people about the Aneke interest and anticipated the club wanted it kept quiet as a number of other clubs (near the top of the league) have also kept tabs. We have the links, of course, and I hope it’s one we manage to pull off.
However, we could get Harry Kane AND Mo Salah in & we still wouldnt make the play offs.
This season is a write off. Adkins not being fired soon enough & very poor recruitment has meant a wasted season & yet another season in this god forsaken League for 22/23.
Stockley, Craig Mac, Famewo, Clare, Dobson, Lavelle and Lee have all been good. CBT has done ok. Souare average but hasn't really played much. Leko hasn't really got going but again most people were happy with him signing.
So that's 2 duds out of 12, which isn't bad going really and certainly not what i'd call 'very poor'. Even Man City sign players who don't perform as expected.
We signed some very good, some good, some alright and some ordinary players.
We started with 4 really hard games, if you look at the players we had available I don't think any formation or manager would have got more than 3 or 4 points out if that. Then you bring in 4 or 5 players that aren't match fit, you have to change something, then you have to change it again because they aren't match fit and your playing Tuesday Saturday. Rinse and repeat. It's the same mess Bowyer got in last season.
We got it quite alright in the end but by the time we got it right it was too late and it was wrong for what we then needed.
I think, in hindsight, last January was the same as well.Hard to disagree that even with Adkins we didn’t leave it a bit late but either way really not helped by how poor we were playing.1 -
Our problem was not the players, it was the fact we didn't get rid of Adkins a month earlier.
He could've gone after the Cheltenham game and certainly should've gone after the Bolton game.6 -
Utterly mental that he wasn't. Now 6 months later we are playing a formation where we have one player in our entire squad (on loan) who can play his position. His next move will be for a hefty seven figure fee.Scoham said:
I'm sure Cawley confirmed Twine wasn't a target of ours.charlton_hero said:I don't know why we didn't move quickly to secure Scott Twine last summer, I hope we're a bit more on it in the next couple of windows.2 -
Who Arter?ISawLeaburnScore said:
Utterly mental that he wasn't. Now 6 months later we are playing a formation where we have one player in our entire squad (on loan) who can play his position. His next move will be for a hefty seven figure fee.Scoham said:
I'm sure Cawley confirmed Twine wasn't a target of ours.charlton_hero said:I don't know why we didn't move quickly to secure Scott Twine last summer, I hope we're a bit more on it in the next couple of windows.0 -
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Who Arter?ISawLeaburnScore said:
Utterly mental that he wasn't. Now 6 months later we are playing a formation where we have one player in our entire squad (on loan) who can play his position. His next move will be for a hefty seven figure fee.Scoham said:
I'm sure Cawley confirmed Twine wasn't a target of ours.charlton_hero said:I don't know why we didn't move quickly to secure Scott Twine last summer, I hope we're a bit more on it in the next couple of windows.0 -
So this I find an interesting observation and one I agree with.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Our problem was not the players, it was the fact we didn't get rid of Adkins a month earlier.
He could've gone after the Cheltenham game and certainly should've gone after the Bolton game.I used to under estimate the importance of the manager and naively assumed that good players should be able to ‘sort themselves out’. I had always thought the professional nature of footballers and the mix of experience and youth should mean they can collectively organise themselves.But what was proven under RD and again with Adkins is how important and specific that role is and can’t just be left to the same group of players.1 -
This season is done so it’s all about building for next season IMO.
Perfect for me would be Dempsey as a rotated CM and Dion Charles up top to compete with CW & JS. Much more depth then. If not Charles then Jamil Matt would be great but unlikely.
Both quality and young, both out of contract this summer so possibly good value. Gills are broke and Dion fallen out with Accy.
Icing on the cake would be a proper RWB and I’d take the FGR lad Kane Wilson or Josh Key at Exeter (but I think he’d be expensive)
More likely I’d two loans from the the Championship reserves. Let’s hope the ‘Black Box’ is working.
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It is quite ironic, as the players that are doing well now are the same players, a few of them twice have decided to down tools on there manager, Bowyer and then Adkins. I wonder what it would take for Jacko to piss them off and repeat the dose!!. Obviously I’m hoping it’s not the case, but does show that the players have to be professional and take responsibility aswell, as no matter how good the manager the players seem to decide there future ultimately.valleynick66 said:
So this I find an interesting observation and one I agree with.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Our problem was not the players, it was the fact we didn't get rid of Adkins a month earlier.
He could've gone after the Cheltenham game and certainly should've gone after the Bolton game.I used to under estimate the importance of the manager and naively assumed that good players should be able to ‘sort themselves out’. I had always thought the professional nature of footballers and the mix of experience and youth should mean they can collectively organise themselves.But what was proven under RD and again with Adkins is how important and specific that role is and can’t just be left to the same group of players.2 -
Yes, completely agree with this, it worries me a lot. He's dropped off a bit the last couple of games but overall he's been very good.cafcfan1990 said:
LeeEricBanterna said:
Who Arter?ISawLeaburnScore said:
Utterly mental that he wasn't. Now 6 months later we are playing a formation where we have one player in our entire squad (on loan) who can play his position. His next move will be for a hefty seven figure fee.Scoham said:
I'm sure Cawley confirmed Twine wasn't a target of ours.charlton_hero said:I don't know why we didn't move quickly to secure Scott Twine last summer, I hope we're a bit more on it in the next couple of windows.
When he plays a bit deeper, sometimes he starts as a 10 and sometimes more of an 8, Morgan could in theory play that role. Albie didn't look good as a 10 but has looked good as an 8 in the past. The problem is, Albie hasn't looked good this season. But to be fair to him, he also hasn't played in a performing, functioning team either.
Still, i think striker and a 10 (or 8 1/2, a playmaler basically) should be our priorities in January. Those are of course two of the most sought after positions in this League, in most leagues really. And January is usually a better time to be selling rather than buying.1 - Sponsored links:
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So......Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Apart from Kirk (who at the time most people thought was a great signing) and Arter who else did we sign in the summer that was very poor recruitment?golfaddick said:
Love to see him back. Much better option off the bench than Davison.Sage said:
Well that cat got let out rather easily.Swisdom said:We are interested in an Aneke loan from what I’ve heard. Think he’s pissed off with the lack of minutes.
id be surprised if we kept Arter unless we have to. If there is an option to return I’d expect us to take it
I had spoken to a few people about the Aneke interest and anticipated the club wanted it kept quiet as a number of other clubs (near the top of the league) have also kept tabs. We have the links, of course, and I hope it’s one we manage to pull off.
However, we could get Harry Kane AND Mo Salah in & we still wouldnt make the play offs.
This season is a write off. Adkins not being fired soon enough & very poor recruitment has meant a wasted season & yet another season in this god forsaken League for 22/23.
Stockley, Craig Mac, Famewo, Clare, Dobson, Lavelle and Lee have all been good. CBT has done ok. Souare average but hasn't really played much. Leko hasn't really got going but again most people were happy with him signing.
So that's 2 duds out of 12, which isn't bad going really and certainly not what i'd call 'very poor'. Even Man City sign players who don't perform as expected.
We didnt replace Aneke.
We started the season with no fit left back & so played a right back there.
Eventually when we did bring in a left back he hadnt played competitively for 2 years.
We were short on numbers & panicked towards the end of the transfer window by loaning players who (like the left back) weren't match fit.
And to cap it all, a week after the transfer window ends when we cant bring anyone in, we release one of our strikers leaving us with just 3 - 1 of which (Davison) is still young & inexperienced and frankly isnt up to much (so much so we are now asking an even younger player (18 year old Burstow) to step up.
So yes.....I'd say that was pretty poor recruitment, wouldn't you.
Never mind though because we can just go through the same rigmorole in the summer.
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TS talks of Gallens excellent negotiating skills and how he spends club money like his own. I like those traits.
I do also wonder if it has seen Gallen push transfers back generally to the last minute (like a game of poker) which worked so well the year we were promoted but has not done so well since.
Maybe that is one area he needs to look at but I equally appreciate it is easy to say so behind a keyboard without knowing first hand how the transfer market really works and what our budget is/has been.5 -
It was partly other things than just Adkins though. If we played Oxford MK Dons and Wigan again without Purrington, Lee, Gilbey and Leko, a half fit Inniss we probably wouldn't get many points. Then you have lost 3 of your first 5 and your already struggling. That's the difference, well one of them, between a good manager and a great one. Curbs was fantastic at resetting mid season. Bowyer and Adkins couldn't.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Our problem was not the players, it was the fact we didn't get rid of Adkins a month earlier.
He could've gone after the Cheltenham game and certainly should've gone after the Bolton game.
To Nick's point there is some blame on the players, if you look at our players (or the Man United and Spurs ones where the data is more visible in the media) and the amount of effort they suddenly put in with a change of manager. Did Adkins (and OGS and Nuno) tell them not to run?
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Latest video from January recruitment planning
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I've arbitrarily graded our signings from last summer. Interesting how the change of manager improved the fortunes for so many of them that had been written off, it goes to show how good performances go beyond just the player, coaching and management play a key role.
https://southnorwoodaddick.com/2021/12/29/summer-2021-signings-revisited-ranked/
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I can’t imagine why…MattF said:7 -
Don’t we have the option to terminate it ourselves?0
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Hope soElliotCAFC said:Don’t we have the option to terminate it ourselves?6 - Sponsored links:
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Perhaps there is another club that will take Arter on loan.3
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Most season long loans do have that option.
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Or we don't pay the next instalment so that forest recall him0
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I really do hope, this will be the last of the really shit panicky loan signings we see for a long time, surely there is no reason to go down that route again and lessons have been learnt.ricky_otto said:
I can’t imagine why…MattF said:6 -
I don't mind loan signings of the Matt Smith (either) variety as they're young and fit and might come off, or not.
It's these past-it mercenaries we need to avoid. Alou Diarra is the only one who was any good and he'd played in a World Cup final fgs0 -
Alou Diarra was never a loan signingLeuth said:I don't mind loan signings of the Matt Smith (either) variety as they're young and fit and might come off, or not.
It's these past-it mercenaries we need to avoid. Alou Diarra is the only one who was any good and he'd played in a World Cup final fgs2 -
Well there you go4
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In fact, I'll challenge anyone here to give an example of a Charlton loan signing aged over 30 at time of signing who turned out any good0
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Jorge Costa ? Was he ?Leuth said:In fact, I'll challenge anyone here to give an example of a Charlton loan signing aged over 30 at time of signing who turned out any good5 -
Costa was 29. I also didn't know a) the frankly ridiculous circumstances of him signing for us, b) that he only played 24 league games for us (but WHAT games!) and c) that he went on to win a league, a domestic cup, a UEFA cup and a Champions League within two years of leaving us, and all that after scoring for the USA in the World Cup too (which I did remember)0
