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He is much better than many give him credit for.2
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At what? Serious question. What exactly is it that he does well on a regular basis?nelsonsleftfoot said:He is much better than many give him credit for.1 -
Morgan played a great ball in the first half, but he probably plays three or four not so great ones before a good one. He had a couple of tame efforts at goal, and passed on one, summing up his lack of goal scoring/shooting ability. He put in a shift but wasn't as dominant as you would want from him. He rarely wins a 50:50 tackle. These are the issues we have seen over a prolonged period of time. He has to sort them all out.4
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He may have improved aspects but is he more effective?Dazzler21 said:
He has improved some aspects. Just not enough. His workrate for example is much better.Cafc43v3r said:
Morgan's dad hasn't just died, nor has he moved half the length of the country. Kirk has played a handful of games for us.northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
Albie has played nearly 100 games for us and hasn't improved since his 1st one. I would hardly say that's ripping the shit out of him. Especially compared to some of the abuse other players get.0 -
That is a different question and I think he has been on average about the same.Cafc43v3r said:
He may have improved aspects but is he more effective?Dazzler21 said:
He has improved some aspects. Just not enough. His workrate for example is much better.Cafc43v3r said:
Morgan's dad hasn't just died, nor has he moved half the length of the country. Kirk has played a handful of games for us.northstandsteve said:Funny isn't it Charlie Kirk probably played more games than Albie same age cost half a million and has been fucking awful, but let's rip the shit out of Albie, Kirk has played for a team that has consistently finished just above relagation zone or in a league below. Our fans are fucking priceless
Albie has played nearly 100 games for us and hasn't improved since his 1st one. I would hardly say that's ripping the shit out of him. Especially compared to some of the abuse other players get.
He has games where his workrate has been a benefit and others where it results him being out of position or arriving late into the areas you expect an attacking midfielder.
If anything I'd say he tries to do a bit more than he really should. He needs to know where a CAM should be playing throughout different scenarios. In attack, in defence, when to pull players out of position, how deep to drop when required etc.1 -
With 700 posts and 45,000 views I wonder if Albie's future lies in social media?
He certainly draws attention and opinion.3 -
I must admit I’m surprised he’s generated this much conversation. I guess frustration that he hasn’t kicked on as he was a promising youth product maybe?Raith_C_Chattonell said:With 700 posts and 45,000 views I wonder if Albie's future lies in social media?
He certainly draws attention and opinion.I really thought he would come good this season, but I think if we can either sell or loan him in Jan it would be beneficial as it will free up another space in the squad.4 -
Passing.thenewbie said:
At what? Serious question. What exactly is it that he does well on a regular basis?nelsonsleftfoot said:He is much better than many give him credit for.0 -
It doesn't matter, from our point of view if we don't unload him in January because he doesn't take up a squad place due to his age.cabbles said:
I must admit I’m surprised he’s generated this much conversation. I guess frustration that he hasn’t kicked on as he was a promising youth product maybe?Raith_C_Chattonell said:With 700 posts and 45,000 views I wonder if Albie's future lies in social media?
He certainly draws attention and opinion.I really thought he would come good this season, but I think if we can either sell or loan him in Jan it would be beneficial as it will free up another space in the squad.
But next season he does and we already have JFC, Gilbey, Clare and Dobson contracted. He needs to do a lot in the next 6 months to get a new deal.0 -
I don't think he's ever going to be a CAM. He may just make it as inside right, but his goal and assists stats will have to jump hugely.
I can see him playing a Cullen role. Play a bit deeper, stay central, keep it simple, his energy is excellent at recovering, go into offensive space in the right phases, and making sure you don't plant or fall over like Watson when you're 1v2. He can play a pass, and by being that bit deeper if he can break play the passes are more obvious, easier and defined - not the worldy/inch perfect that Shinnie could do in the final third, and ge can't.
But I'm not sure he has the football brain of Cullen. Also Cullen had Bielik and Pratley as super reliable foils to cover him or pass to him. So I suppose where I see his strengths, may not be practical for JJ and could turn into a disaster if Albie's confidence is shot. A loan to somewhere like Colchester could be crucial for him: Conference is wrong now, he has to prove himself in L2 football.
I like Albie's assets, but he's only going to play higher up if he develops a centrally deeper lying conservative game. Could see Dobson and Morgan sitting deep, with 3 of our attacking midfielders freer in front. Another issue here is that atm, for most matches we should play Stockley and Washington together if fit: That means no starting role for Morgan as he is not a cm in a flat 4, nor offensively effective at rm in a flat 4: I think he can work 4231 but that isn't best for us atm.2 - Sponsored links:
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Not sure why I got "lols". The guy isnt good enough. Move away from the sentimental thinking of him being "one of our own".king addick said:
21 isnt young for a footballer & he just isnt doing it.wmcf123 said:Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
to succeed. In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
players of far greater experience. I am
not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again.
Let him leave or go on loan but at the moment, he is taking up a place in the squad that could be occupied by someone who could improve us.
Offer something to the team or leave. Simple as that.2 -
valid point you made, maybe the Lol's were for him taking up a space as he is u23 so effectively he isn't? just a guessking addick said:
Not sure why I got "lols". The guy isnt good enough. Move away from the sentimental thinking of him being "one of our own".king addick said:
21 isnt young for a footballer & he just isnt doing it.wmcf123 said:Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
to succeed. In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
players of far greater experience. I am
not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again.
Let him leave or go on loan but at the moment, he is taking up a place in the squad that could be occupied by someone who could improve us.
Offer something to the team or leave. Simple as that.0 -
aah I see. Agree re; getting a new deal. I would also like to see us be a bit more ruthless in clearing players out in the summer. If he doesn't improve, then we would be silly to keep him on. In a similar vein, if Inniss can't function physically, as much as he has looked okay in his fleeting appearances, we can't be offering new deals. I hope that's the one thing TS and the set up learnt off the back of this summer.Cafc43v3r said:
It doesn't matter, from our point of view if we don't unload him in January because he doesn't take up a squad place due to his age.cabbles said:
I must admit I’m surprised he’s generated this much conversation. I guess frustration that he hasn’t kicked on as he was a promising youth product maybe?Raith_C_Chattonell said:With 700 posts and 45,000 views I wonder if Albie's future lies in social media?
He certainly draws attention and opinion.I really thought he would come good this season, but I think if we can either sell or loan him in Jan it would be beneficial as it will free up another space in the squad.
But next season he does and we already have JFC, Gilbey, Clare and Dobson contracted. He needs to do a lot in the next 6 months to get a new deal.
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It's a fair comment but, how many other players 21 or under have played 80 odd games at first team level and shown absolutely no signs they are going to improve?redman said:Most people forget he is still only 21. Younger than Clayden, Dempsey and Ghandour.
At this point the number of games he has played is the more important factor than his age.2 -
Tuesday really was an opportunity to take hold of the game especially as the 'senior' player in that side.
He did a few nice passes and some good challenges but overall his performance was average to poor.
It seems he needs a good player alongside him in midfield otherwise you barely get anything good out of him. Forster casky did get more out of Morgan. Him playing with Henry (who was awful) you get performance like that.
The other worry is that outside our first team the squad don't look all that. no one played well on Tuesday.0 -
Haha my mistake in that case as thought it was u21s! Thanks for pointing it out.johnnybev1987 said:
valid point you made, maybe the Lol's were for him taking up a space as he is u23 so effectively he isn't? just a guessking addick said:
Not sure why I got "lols". The guy isnt good enough. Move away from the sentimental thinking of him being "one of our own".king addick said:
21 isnt young for a footballer & he just isnt doing it.wmcf123 said:Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
to succeed. In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
players of far greater experience. I am
not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again.
Let him leave or go on loan but at the moment, he is taking up a place in the squad that could be occupied by someone who could improve us.
Offer something to the team or leave. Simple as that.1 -
It is U21 but it’s their age on 1st January 2021 that counts. Morgan was still 20 then so counts as an U21 player, whereas although like Morgan, Davison and Dempsey were 21 at the start of the season, they both turn 22 in 2021.king addick said:
Haha my mistake in that case as thought it was u21s! Thanks for pointing it out.johnnybev1987 said:
valid point you made, maybe the Lol's were for him taking up a space as he is u23 so effectively he isn't? just a guessking addick said:
Not sure why I got "lols". The guy isnt good enough. Move away from the sentimental thinking of him being "one of our own".king addick said:
21 isnt young for a footballer & he just isnt doing it.wmcf123 said:Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
to succeed. In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
players of far greater experience. I am
not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again.
Let him leave or go on loan but at the moment, he is taking up a place in the squad that could be occupied by someone who could improve us.
Offer something to the team or leave. Simple as that.
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But then to an extent that applies to every player. Very few players are good enough to be a one man team, dragging mediocre teammates up with themKarim_myBagheri said:Tuesday really was an opportunity to take hold of the game especially as the 'senior' player in that side.
He did a few nice passes and some good challenges but overall his performance was average to poor.
It seems he needs a good player alongside him in midfield otherwise you barely get anything good out of him. Forster casky did get more out of Morgan. Him playing with Henry (who was awful) you get performance like that.
The other worry is that outside our first team the squad don't look all that. no one played well on Tuesday.
I've seen people on here excusing Dobson's early performances this season, because he was playing with Morgan and Clare, rather than Gilbey and Lee. Well if that's the case, Morgan had Dempsey and Henry alongside him, which is an even lower level of teammate.0 -
Dobson made some mistakes, but personally I thought he was a good signing and could see the player we are seeing now. And I have been pretty much saying this from day one.0
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If I were Morgan I’d go into Sparrows lane and train on my own tomorrow. I know Jackson’s given them the day off, but little statements of intent can never hurt1
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Morgan did enough last night last night in the 20 minutes he had. Needs to start.3
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And around we go13
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Think this is part of the problem. A player is questionable game after game, gets dropped and brought back, has a decent 20 minutes and all of a sudden the team should be restructured to accommodate them again.nelsonsleftfoot said:Morgan did enough last night last night in the 20 minutes he had. Needs to start.
Can understand promoting some competition for places, but keep bringing back the same players who don't deliver is surely part of the problem, isn't it?2 -
Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.
Dobson - Watson - Morgan0 -
Sure I read somewhere that Watson was the highest paid player on the books.CL_Phantom said:Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.
Dobson - Watson - Morgan0 -
well stirred my friend.Gribbo said:
Sure I read somewhere that Watson was the highest paid player on the books.CL_Phantom said:Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.
Dobson - Watson - Morgan
bloke needs moving out soon as. Him and Gunter should of retired years back but a pay check keeps them going.0 -
I don't think he gets the start, but could be getting at least 20-30 when Lee or Gilbey tires.nelsonsleftfoot said:Morgan did enough last night last night in the 20 minutes he had. Needs to start.1 -
Didn't he activate his contract extension n all? Quit frustrating all in allKarim_myBagheri said:
well stirred my friend.Gribbo said:
Sure I read somewhere that Watson was the highest paid player on the books.CL_Phantom said:Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.
Dobson - Watson - Morgan
bloke needs moving out soon as. Him and Gunter should of retired years back but a pay check keeps them going.0 -
I think Albie's best position is actually as a right or left midfielder in a flat, narrow 4-4-2 like Curbs used to play. We sometimes even stuck Claus out on the right of midfield in the Premier League days when we wanted to be compact but make sure we still had some passing quality in there. Albie is a great passer at times and can get around the pitch but too often his positioning and reading of the game is too erratic to actually play in central midfield. He gets lost in the middle. He'd fit nicely in a midfield that had two industrious centre mids and a proper winger on the left, with him providing a bit of width to the midfield two and tucking in when the team needs to defend. The added bonus there is while he'd offer extra protection defensively, he wouldn't be quite as essential to the defensive effort. Claus only won one tackle in his life and he scored from it, but he still helped our shape. Bowyer realised this about Albie after lockdown and played him on the left with McGeady right in a flatter 4, but it dipped a bit because McGeady was rubbish and we were lacking up front. Then we returned to the diamond where Albie got lost again. The problem Albie has is that no-one plays that way anymore so I don't see him having a place with us unfortunately
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bad bit of business apart for him. He would be playing in my sunday league team and even then i reckon he would be a middling player.Gribbo said:
Didn't he activate his contract extension n all? Quit frustrating all in allKarim_myBagheri said:
well stirred my friend.Gribbo said:
Sure I read somewhere that Watson was the highest paid player on the books.CL_Phantom said:Let's bring Watson back in for Gilbey and go full circle to the all dominating and conquering midfield trio.
Dobson - Watson - Morgan
bloke needs moving out soon as. Him and Gunter should of retired years back but a pay check keeps them going.1
