Charlton Only - January 2022 Transfer Rumours (Deadline Day p.97)

SDAddick said:

Sage said:

Pretty sure that’s the last we will see of Davison.

Hoping for at least another 2, maybe even 3 more to come. That’s just my hope if we can get Kirk and Souaré out. Gunter and Watson will leave in the summer, but a bonus if Gunter leaves sooner. He’s so far down the pecking order that there is no point us keeping him if we can also get him out and off the books.

Would love us to sign at least one long term permanent player that can really develop and improve with us and actually develop and improve too.

Interesting final week ahead.

Yeah, it felt inevitable with Davison. He just isn't technically or tactically good enough for a team with ambitions of being promoted out of this league. I don't like to judge a player based solely on their worst game, but the Wycombe game laid bare what we'd seen in patches throughout the season and in cameos in previous years. Davison's touch isn't very good, that has been clear since he broke through in the Championship season, but it hasn't improved enough. And tactically, he just isn't up to scratch.

When he played up front on his own earlier in the year, he was able to make up for some of the tactical shortcomings by working really hard and through his athleticism. We were also a poor, long ball team that played with an isolated striker up front on his own so the expectations weren't that high. And Stockley, better technically but less mobile, had struggled playing on his own because he was often up against two or three defenders with no one to link up play with (with the exception of the occasional foray forward by Lee or Morgan). But when Davison was asked to play with another striker, his constant movement just looked like a chicken with its head cut off with no clear strategy.

He can finish, and he might make a decent career for himself with that and his athleticism. But with our ambitions, we just need more. 

The question remains why it was deemed sufficient to start the season with him as the second choice striker in a system that plays one up front, meaning Washington and Leko can't play there. I've said before that replacing Aneke was easier said than done because you aren't going to find a center forward with his physical, technical, and goal scoring attributes at this level. You basically need two forwards to make up for Aneke. But Davison is far off that standard. And Stockley is not mobile enough to play up front on his own the way we were playing. There was just such a huge disconnect in the summer between coaching and style of play and recruitment. 

As for Watson, it seems pretty clear that Watson will be a coach next year given he acts as a coach on the bench during matches. I'd be more than happy for him to stay with us. And I don't mind him seeing out the season, he provides cover and while he's not great, he does have a bit of nous that makes up for a lack of mobility. For where we are, he's fine until the end of the year. 

I figured that we would be hoping to get rid of one of Gunter or Matthews this window. Up until last week when Matthews started at RWB, I would have assumed he'd be the one we were more likely to push out the door. He's the better athlete, and he was my POTY in the Championship, but he had an awful time at RB earlier in the season. Even though Gunter doesn't have Matthews' legs, he is better going forward. And Gunter has played RCB, CB, LCB, RB, and LB for us, which might give him the edge for me over Mathews who did look good at RCB before getting injured, but who I don't think is good enough going forward to play wing back and who, as we saw last year, can't play on the left because he is very, very right footed. 

Not a lot in it for me, though. I think Matthews has the higher ceiling but the lower floor. So at that point it comes down to money. And given that we couldn't afford Gunter when we were in the Championship, I suspect he's on a larger wage, quite possibly a much larger wage. And as such, I have no problem with him going (if we can get rid) if that frees up money for a longer term investment. Either way, I don't think either Welsh fullback will be a part of our squad next season. 

ValleyGary said:

You have Clare and JFC to come back into that CM category next season but wing backs defo need improving.

Maccn05 said:

Clare really struggled in CM maybe he’d do better now he’s more settled.

But he also left Oxford for us because he didn’t want to play right back so I wonder how happy he is?

Personally I think he’s make a great RWB when Lavelle is back fit.

AllHailTheHen said:

BR7_addick said:

cabbles said:

ValleyGary said:

You have Clare and JFC to come back into that CM category next season but wing backs defo need improving.

Yes, I just bunged Clare into the CB list based on where he’s playing, but he could do a job in central midfield.  I expect he may be okay at RWB too maybe 

I see Clare as our utility man, he’s also done right back at burton, every squad needs these types.  

The kind of player Curbs loved.

Simonsen said:

AllHailTheHen said:

BR7_addick said:

cabbles said:

ValleyGary said:

You have Clare and JFC to come back into that CM category next season but wing backs defo need improving.

Yes, I just bunged Clare into the CB list based on where he’s playing, but he could do a job in central midfield.  I expect he may be okay at RWB too maybe 

I see Clare as our utility man, he’s also done right back at burton, every squad needs these types.  

The kind of player Curbs loved.

And quite a few managers before him, who had Steve Gritt in the team. 

cafc_harry said:

Do we have the space for John and Browne? Not up to date on numbers. 

Also, either Sandgaard still expects a late charge up the table or really wants to win the paint trophy, no other reason to sign all these loans. 

Sage said:

SDAddick said:

Sage said:

Pretty sure that’s the last we will see of Davison.

Hoping for at least another 2, maybe even 3 more to come. That’s just my hope if we can get Kirk and Souaré out. Gunter and Watson will leave in the summer, but a bonus if Gunter leaves sooner. He’s so far down the pecking order that there is no point us keeping him if we can also get him out and off the books.

Would love us to sign at least one long term permanent player that can really develop and improve with us and actually develop and improve too.

Interesting final week ahead.

Yeah, it felt inevitable with Davison. He just isn't technically or tactically good enough for a team with ambitions of being promoted out of this league. I don't like to judge a player based solely on their worst game, but the Wycombe game laid bare what we'd seen in patches throughout the season and in cameos in previous years. Davison's touch isn't very good, that has been clear since he broke through in the Championship season, but it hasn't improved enough. And tactically, he just isn't up to scratch.

When he played up front on his own earlier in the year, he was able to make up for some of the tactical shortcomings by working really hard and through his athleticism. We were also a poor, long ball team that played with an isolated striker up front on his own so the expectations weren't that high. And Stockley, better technically but less mobile, had struggled playing on his own because he was often up against two or three defenders with no one to link up play with (with the exception of the occasional foray forward by Lee or Morgan). But when Davison was asked to play with another striker, his constant movement just looked like a chicken with its head cut off with no clear strategy.

He can finish, and he might make a decent career for himself with that and his athleticism. But with our ambitions, we just need more. 

The question remains why it was deemed sufficient to start the season with him as the second choice striker in a system that plays one up front, meaning Washington and Leko can't play there. I've said before that replacing Aneke was easier said than done because you aren't going to find a center forward with his physical, technical, and goal scoring attributes at this level. You basically need two forwards to make up for Aneke. But Davison is far off that standard. And Stockley is not mobile enough to play up front on his own the way we were playing. There was just such a huge disconnect in the summer between coaching and style of play and recruitment. 

As for Watson, it seems pretty clear that Watson will be a coach next year given he acts as a coach on the bench during matches. I'd be more than happy for him to stay with us. And I don't mind him seeing out the season, he provides cover and while he's not great, he does have a bit of nous that makes up for a lack of mobility. For where we are, he's fine until the end of the year. 

I figured that we would be hoping to get rid of one of Gunter or Matthews this window. Up until last week when Matthews started at RWB, I would have assumed he'd be the one we were more likely to push out the door. He's the better athlete, and he was my POTY in the Championship, but he had an awful time at RB earlier in the season. Even though Gunter doesn't have Matthews' legs, he is better going forward. And Gunter has played RCB, CB, LCB, RB, and LB for us, which might give him the edge for me over Mathews who did look good at RCB before getting injured, but who I don't think is good enough going forward to play wing back and who, as we saw last year, can't play on the left because he is very, very right footed. 

Not a lot in it for me, though. I think Matthews has the higher ceiling but the lower floor. So at that point it comes down to money. And given that we couldn't afford Gunter when we were in the Championship, I suspect he's on a larger wage, quite possibly a much larger wage. And as such, I have no problem with him going (if we can get rid) if that frees up money for a longer term investment. Either way, I don't think either Welsh fullback will be a part of our squad next season. 

Summed it very well, not a lot I can add really.

Am not sure we would keep Watson as a coach, he does seem to be important role model for the young players but we are now up to our capacity in some respects and just don’t know where he would fit in.

Gunter I don’t believe has played in the league since he got taken off against Morecambe back in November. And he had a shocker. We can’t keep a senior player around for another 5 months who clearly isn’t part of the plans going forward and is so far down on the pecking order. It’s the same with Souaré.

Get these type of players out and bring in players who can grow and we will suddenly have a squad that looks a lot better. 

cafc_harry said:

Do we have the space for John and Browne? Not up to date on numbers. 

Also, either Sandgaard still expects a late charge up the table or really wants to win the paint trophy, no other reason to sign all these loans. 

ValleyGary said:

J BLOCK said:

ValleyGary said:

You have Clare and JFC to come back into that CM category next season but wing backs defo need improving.

Clare won't add any value in midfield. Similar player to Dobson who is much better there. 

Dont think we've seen enough of him to make that judgement yet. Im going on the basis that he was signed as a CM and thats what he rates himself as his strongest position.

Sage said:

Pretty sure that’s the last we will see of Davison.

Hoping for at least another 2, maybe even 3 more to come. That’s just my hope if we can get Kirk and Souaré out. Gunter and Watson will leave in the summer, but a bonus if Gunter leaves sooner. He’s so far down the pecking order that there is no point us keeping him if we can also get him out and off the books.

Would love us to sign at least one long term permanent player that can really develop and improve with us and actually develop and improve too.

Interesting final week ahead.