Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
So by your logic any terrible atrocities committed in the name of religion were done by those who didn't really have faith and therefore it had nothing to do with the religion.
This is very reassuring. By this logic we can ignore goals the other teams scores because they were mistakes.
So we beat Bolton 0 - 1 on Tuesday and there must be a few other wins we weren't aware of this season.
His Brother, who was filming and giggling during the incident will not play for Dagenham and Redbridge until the investigation is complete.
His brother didn't cost D&R £30 million though. As distasteful as it is, West Ham's apparent indifference is financially motivated.
Agreed. He’s played well this season and possibly exceeding the price paid for him, they will not wipe what I guess is around a 40 million intangible asset of their books lightly, although at what cost does it come for their brand? That’s where it ends, the cost of letting him go versus cost of damage he does to the club.
I'm not sure the dildo brothers worry too much about brand reputation! They will though be concerned about lucrative sponsorship deals being pulled - Vitality, Umbro et al.
His Brother, who was filming and giggling during the incident will not play for Dagenham and Redbridge until the investigation is complete.
His brother didn't cost D&R £30 million though. As distasteful as it is, West Ham's apparent indifference is financially motivated.
Agreed. He’s played well this season and possibly exceeding the price paid for him, they will not wipe what I guess is around a 40 million intangible asset of their books lightly, although at what cost does it come for their brand? That’s where it ends, the cost of letting him go versus cost of damage he does to the club.
I'm not sure the dildo brothers worry too much about brand reputation! They will though be concerned about lucrative sponsorship deals being pulled - Vitality, Umbro et al.
They will. But at some point it will blow over and they’ll get new deals, especially if they get into Europe again.
what disgusts me other than kicking the moggie is the fact that a bang average Premier defender is earning around 125 Grand a week = £6,500,000 a year .. I will never moan at the salaries paid to megabusiness CEOs again
it seems that quite a few West Ham players are astounded, amazed and envious at Zouma's salary .. kicking the cat could have a lot of unforeseen circumstances not just for Zouma but also for the Hammer's paymasters
what disgusts me other than kicking the moggie is the fact that a bang average Premier defender is earning around 125 Grand a week = £6,500,000 a year .. I will never moan at the salaries paid to megabusiness CEOs again
it seems that quite a few West Ham players are astounded, amazed and envious at Zouma's salary .. kicking the cat could have a lot of unforeseen circumstances not just for Zouma but also for the Hammer's paymasters
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
So by your logic any terrible atrocities committed in the name of religion were done by those who didn't really have faith and therefore it had nothing to do with the religion.
This is very reassuring. By this logic we can ignore goals the other teams scores because they were mistakes.
So we beat Bolton 0 - 1 on Tuesday and there must be a few other wins we weren't aware of this season.
a slight positive from all this... my cat who as always whines and moans all the fing time, i have just threatened her saying if you don't shut the f@ck up i going to get Kurt Zouma on you. That soon stopped her.
has anybody kicked Kurt Zouma squarely in the balls and slapped him around, see if he likes it? Moyes worthy of a dose of that too if he thinks that scumbag can represent the club. Shoulda sacked the twat as soon as the video appeared - let him sue for wrongful dismissal, see how far he gets with that.
Abusing the cat is obviously the work of a worthless shithouse but exactly how effing stupid do you have to be to video it, let alone publish it?
what disgusts me other than kicking the moggie is the fact that a bang average Premier defender is earning around 125 Grand a week = £6,500,000 a year .. I will never moan at the salaries paid to megabusiness CEOs again
it seems that quite a few West Ham players are astounded, amazed and envious at Zouma's salary .. kicking the cat could have a lot of unforeseen circumstances not just for Zouma but also for the Hammer's paymasters
Seems like paper talk to stir up trouble. Why on earth would players be astounded that a guy who signed for 30m after spending 7 years at Chelsea was on a high salary?
Ok some of them may well think (and rightly so in the case of Rice and Bowen) they deserve to be paid more, but there's no way they're in any way surprised at what he earns.
Set to play again or be available for selection this weekend. I would imagine the two weeks wages fine is all West Ham will do about it by the looks of things
Looks like Wet Sham and Moyes are going to try to balls this out in the hope that it blows itself out. Very poor but just about what I’d expect from an utterly classless outfit. Moyes I’ve always liked and he’s been caught between a rock and a hard place on this. I suspect he’s acting under instruction. A total hospital pass for the poor bloke.
what disgusts me other than kicking the moggie is the fact that a bang average Premier defender is earning around 125 Grand a week = £6,500,000 a year .. I will never moan at the salaries paid to megabusiness CEOs again
it seems that quite a few West Ham players are astounded, amazed and envious at Zouma's salary .. kicking the cat could have a lot of unforeseen circumstances not just for Zouma but also for the Hammer's paymasters
Seems like paper talk to stir up trouble. Why on earth would players be astounded that a guy who signed for 30m after spending 7 years at Chelsea was on a high salary?
Ok some of them may well think (and rightly so in the case of Rice and Bowen) they deserve to be paid more, but there's no way they're in any way surprised at what he earns.
His Brother, who was filming and giggling during the incident will not play for Dagenham and Redbridge until the investigation is complete.
His brother didn't cost D&R £30 million though. As distasteful as it is, West Ham's apparent indifference is financially motivated.
Agreed. He’s played well this season and possibly exceeding the price paid for him, they will not wipe what I guess is around a 40 million intangible asset of their books lightly, although at what cost does it come for their brand? That’s where it ends, the cost of letting him go versus cost of damage he does to the club.
I'm not sure the dildo brothers worry too much about brand reputation! They will though be concerned about lucrative sponsorship deals being pulled - Vitality, Umbro et al.
I thought vitality offered a free dildo with every life insurance policy? If not, why not?
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
So by your logic any terrible atrocities committed in the name of religion were done by those who didn't really have faith and therefore it had nothing to do with the religion.
That's YOUR logic. Not mine. If you care to read what people actually write you may be able to spare everyone the repeat of comments you have already made again and again.
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
So by your logic any terrible atrocities committed in the name of religion were done by those who didn't really have faith and therefore it had nothing to do with the religion.
This is very reassuring. By this logic we can ignore goals the other teams scores because they were mistakes.
So we beat Bolton 0 - 1 on Tuesday and there must be a few other wins we weren't aware of this season.
We are going up!
I do hope you are feeling better soon. Simply applying the phrase "By this logic ..." Apropos nothing anyone has said, and then restating your non sequiters again and again do not follow logic or indeed any kind of coherent argument.
I get that you loathe people who have a faith. You have a free will. I get that you cannot find a single positive thing to say about faith. (I feel your pain) And I realise that the only way you can comfort yourself in your denial, is to unearth extreme stories of those who never had faith who have caused misery and suffering for others. That doesn't actually tell anyone anything about genuine people of faith that follow their faith and are transformed and transform those around them.
Surely you can acknowledge that a violent and wicked individual can infiltrate ANY group they wish and bring disgrace upon it? It doesn't require too much logic. Unsurprisingly for an atheist ~ is to THOSE individuals and ONLY those individuals you wish to refer as "people of faith". Surely you can do better.
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
So by your logic any terrible atrocities committed in the name of religion were done by those who didn't really have faith and therefore it had nothing to do with the religion.
This is very reassuring. By this logic we can ignore goals the other teams scores because they were mistakes.
So we beat Bolton 0 - 1 on Tuesday and there must be a few other wins we weren't aware of this season.
We are going up!
I do hope you are feeling better soon. Simply applying the phrase "By this logic ..." Apropos nothing anyone has said, and then restating your non sequiters again and again do not follow logic or indeed any kind of coherent argument.
I get that you loathe people who have a faith. You have a free will. I get that you cannot find a single positive thing to say about faith. (I feel your pain) And I realise that the only way you can comfort yourself in your denial, is to unearth extreme stories of those who never had faith who have caused misery and suffering for others. That doesn't actually tell anyone anything about genuine people of faith that follow their faith and are transformed and transform those around them.
Surely you can acknowledge that a violent and wicked individual can infiltrate ANY group they wish and bring disgrace upon it? It doesn't require too much logic. Unsurprisingly for an atheist ~ is to THOSE individuals and ONLY those individuals you wish to refer as "people of faith". Surely you can do better.
"Comfort yourself in your denial"? LOL. Who needs comfort, those with confidence in the science and logic, or those governed by fear of the unknown and the finality of death? And hey, why not blame the historic atrocities of the church on "infiltrators"? That's a classic.
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
So by your logic any terrible atrocities committed in the name of religion were done by those who didn't really have faith and therefore it had nothing to do with the religion.
This is very reassuring. By this logic we can ignore goals the other teams scores because they were mistakes.
So we beat Bolton 0 - 1 on Tuesday and there must be a few other wins we weren't aware of this season.
We are going up!
I do hope you are feeling better soon. Simply applying the phrase "By this logic ..." Apropos nothing anyone has said, and then restating your non sequiters again and again do not follow logic or indeed any kind of coherent argument.
I get that you loathe people who have a faith. You have a free will. I get that you cannot find a single positive thing to say about faith. (I feel your pain) And I realise that the only way you can comfort yourself in your denial, is to unearth extreme stories of those who never had faith who have caused misery and suffering for others. That doesn't actually tell anyone anything about genuine people of faith that follow their faith and are transformed and transform those around them.
Surely you can acknowledge that a violent and wicked individual can infiltrate ANY group they wish and bring disgrace upon it? It doesn't require too much logic. Unsurprisingly for an atheist ~ is to THOSE individuals and ONLY those individuals you wish to refer as "people of faith". Surely you can do better.
"Comfort yourself in your denial"? LOL. Who needs comfort, those with confidence in the science and logic, or those governed by fear of the unknown and the finality of death? And hey, why not blame the historic atrocities of the church on "infiltrators"? That's a classic.
I have to hand it to you ~ the most entertaining post of the day!
I have never once heard of an atheist who suggests people of faith are the ones "....governed by fear of the unknown and the finality of death"!!! THAT is classic.
An absolute certainty a person of faith has is no fear of death. I've been on oncology wards and can tell you which blokes entered death with peace and which ones were absolutely terrified and realised they were about to give an account for their wasted faithless life. And it was too late.
As for blaming infiltrators for the bad done in the church. I did actually state that there are no excuses for wicked actions by anyone. There is a rule of law and people should be punished accordingly. Christian or athiest. There is no hiding. Absolutely not.
It is a shame the ONLY thing that you can think of when talking about faith is ...evil!! The MSM have done a great job on you.
I recall in the Catholic church a certain Bella Dodd (former Communist) confirmed she was personally involved in getting 1000 communists into American seminaries. From what I gather they did indeed wreak devastation. They were certainly infiltrators and they certainly did evil. All these things are out in the open. Freely available should you wish to be open to these facts and read them.
Absolutely disgusting. Hope he is punished and they get the poor cat out of there ASAP. Another player thinking he is the bollocks and can do what they want.
Thankfully the cats were removed but allowing him to continue playing immediately sends a very bad message. I think West Ham will look back and see their response to this situation was very poor indeed.
I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
No, it is absolutely not.
I understand why you might state that violence towards animals is not as bad as violence towards people. There are many who might say it’s not the same thing, which is understandable given desired diet, but if Zouma went off on one at home and was filmed kicking his wife, children, dog and cat all in one session surely the viciousness of intent and action would be the same thing? You don’t agree with my perspective sure, but there are many people who would say the violence is the same, maybe even worse if it is towards an animal like it would be if it was violence towards a child. I would suggest that treating an animal the way Zouma has done is indicative of a susceptibility towards domestic violence too. I wonder how many degrees of separation there are between a man like Kurt Zouma and Mason Greenwood.
Correct - we don't agree.
That in no way diminishes my revulsion at what Zouma did, but I place human life above all other life forms - and diet has fuck all to do with it.
I am not suggesting you’re not as appalled as everybody else about what Zouma did. My post was about how different people might view the sanctity of life.
Sanctity of life. ~ Now you're talking. Was thinking this needed a mention in this thread. I wondered, as people winced at the poor cat's treatment (which, goes without saying ~ is appalling) if they would find it as appalling if it were an unborn child being hacked to pieces by an abortionist?
We can be commended as a society for not contributing our taxes in the funding of the kicking of cats. But we show our true barbarism in how we treat the most vulnerable human beings..
Always baffles me this one. A society that thinks nothing of slaughtering the most vulnerable human beings but asks for the head of a bloke who kicks a cat?!
A whiff of hypocrisy wending its way through this thread perhaps...
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
So by your logic any terrible atrocities committed in the name of religion were done by those who didn't really have faith and therefore it had nothing to do with the religion.
This is very reassuring. By this logic we can ignore goals the other teams scores because they were mistakes.
So we beat Bolton 0 - 1 on Tuesday and there must be a few other wins we weren't aware of this season.
We are going up!
I do hope you are feeling better soon. Simply applying the phrase "By this logic ..." Apropos nothing anyone has said, and then restating your non sequiters again and again do not follow logic or indeed any kind of coherent argument.
I get that you loathe people who have a faith. You have a free will. I get that you cannot find a single positive thing to say about faith. (I feel your pain) And I realise that the only way you can comfort yourself in your denial, is to unearth extreme stories of those who never had faith who have caused misery and suffering for others. That doesn't actually tell anyone anything about genuine people of faith that follow their faith and are transformed and transform those around them.
Surely you can acknowledge that a violent and wicked individual can infiltrate ANY group they wish and bring disgrace upon it? It doesn't require too much logic. Unsurprisingly for an atheist ~ is to THOSE individuals and ONLY those individuals you wish to refer as "people of faith". Surely you can do better.
So many false assumptions and statements from him there.
Just about every sentence is incorrect and pure wishful thinking from him
But the personal attack was his desperate and so obvious next tactic given he'd already overplayed his hand and revealed what a hateful, nasty, fundamentalist brand of religion he follows.
He is casting his seed on stoney ground, as the rabbi said, again and again. Few, if any, take him seriously.
Note also how he doesn't reveal which specific Church he belongs to.
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So we beat Bolton 0 - 1 on Tuesday and there must be a few other wins we weren't aware of this season.
We are going up!
I'm not sure the dildo brothers worry too much about brand reputation! They will though be concerned about lucrative sponsorship deals being pulled - Vitality, Umbro et al.
If Rufus booted a cat then I'd consider the religious discussions to be within the whelm of relevance
Moyes worthy of a dose of that too if he thinks that scumbag can represent the club.
Shoulda sacked the twat as soon as the video appeared - let him sue for wrongful dismissal, see how far he gets with that.
Abusing the cat is obviously the work of a worthless shithouse but exactly how effing stupid do you have to be to video it, let alone publish it?
I'm not saying sack the player BTW, it won't happen and arguably over the top, but a time of reflection in the stiffs is appropriate IMHO.
Separately, he of course should be prosecuted and banned from owning any pets.
Ok some of them may well think (and rightly so in the case of Rice and Bowen) they deserve to be paid more, but there's no way they're in any way surprised at what he earns.
Bloke kicks a cat and a fundamentalist tries to make it about abortion and religion because he's a fanatic trying to convert you
I get that you loathe people who have a faith. You have a free will.
I get that you cannot find a single positive thing to say about faith. (I feel your pain)
And I realise that the only way you can comfort yourself in your denial, is to unearth extreme stories of those who never had faith who have caused misery and suffering for others. That doesn't actually tell anyone anything about genuine people of faith that follow their faith and are transformed and transform those around them.
Surely you can acknowledge that a violent and wicked individual can infiltrate ANY group they wish and bring disgrace upon it? It doesn't require too much logic. Unsurprisingly for an atheist ~ is to THOSE individuals and ONLY those individuals you wish to refer as "people of faith". Surely you can do better.
LOL. Who needs comfort, those with confidence in the science and logic, or those governed by fear of the unknown and the finality of death?
And hey, why not blame the historic atrocities of the church on "infiltrators"? That's a classic.
I have never once heard of an atheist who suggests people of faith are the ones "....governed by fear of the unknown and the finality of death"!!! THAT is classic.
An absolute certainty a person of faith has is no fear of death. I've been on oncology wards and can tell you which blokes entered death with peace and which ones were absolutely terrified and realised they were about to give an account for their wasted faithless life. And it was too late.
As for blaming infiltrators for the bad done in the church. I did actually state that there are no excuses for wicked actions by anyone. There is a rule of law and people should be punished accordingly. Christian or athiest. There is no hiding. Absolutely not.
It is a shame the ONLY thing that you can think of when talking about faith is ...evil!!
The MSM have done a great job on you.
I recall in the Catholic church a certain Bella Dodd (former Communist) confirmed she was personally involved in getting 1000 communists into American seminaries. From what I gather they did indeed wreak devastation. They were certainly infiltrators and they certainly did evil. All these things are out in the open. Freely available should you wish to be open to these facts and read them.
Just about every sentence is incorrect and pure wishful thinking from him
But the personal attack was his desperate and so obvious next tactic given he'd already overplayed his hand and revealed what a hateful, nasty, fundamentalist brand of religion he follows.
He is casting his seed on stoney ground, as the rabbi said, again and again. Few, if any, take him seriously.
Note also how he doesn't reveal which specific Church he belongs to.