Brian Jokat confirmed to be new COO (p4), Sacked (p5) 🙄

Committed the cardinal sin, asked John from Larkfield to stop leaving for away games on the Bayliss Executive coaches 5 days before kick off.  John said we’ve always done it this way and won’t change 

Lots of speculation  here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts. 

valleynick66 said:

Lots of speculation  here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts. 

Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group. 

I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS. 

Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue. 

As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone. 

Hmmm.

Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time. 

And making a rather poor attempt ! 

Just out of interest, why do you care so much about a person whose role you are getting wrong and did not know of any positive and negative attributes that he brought?

Fanny Fanackapan said:

valleynick66 said:

Lots of speculation  here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts. 

Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group. 

I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS. 

Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue. 

As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone. 

Hmmm.

Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time. 

And making a rather poor attempt ! 

By contrast I could say you are trying to see a negative in TS because he decided against JJ
 

valleynick66 said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

valleynick66 said:

Lots of speculation  here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts. 

Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group. 

I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS. 

Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue. 

As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone. 

Hmmm.

Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time. 

And making a rather poor attempt ! 

By contrast I could say you are trying to see a negative in TS because he decided against JJ
 

But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.   

My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.

Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge  to base my suggestion on. 

Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to 

I respect your opinion but this has nothing to do with JJ's departure. 

Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used. 

But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.

I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark. 

But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ? 

It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....

And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees. 

Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said. 

Fanny Fanackapan said:

valleynick66 said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

valleynick66 said:

Lots of speculation  here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts. 

Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group. 

I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS. 

Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue. 

As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone. 

Hmmm.

Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time. 

And making a rather poor attempt ! 

By contrast I could say you are trying to see a negative in TS because he decided against JJ
 

But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.   

My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.

Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge  to base my suggestion on. 

Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to 

I respect your opinion but this has nothing to do with JJ's departure. 

Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used. 

But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.

I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark. 

But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ? 

It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....

And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees. 

Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said. 

And all the while Tony K is still in a job…

paulfox said:

Rob7Lee said:

And for all those who have been tutting at my negativity for the last 18 months when I've said TS is just a cuddlier version of RD....... 

OK Jokat may ultimately have been awful, but TS appointed him! (and everyone else pretty much he's let go).

Are you pleased about the signings though?🤷🏻‍♂️

Players? Can't say I know a great deal about any of them. Keeper hasn't got much experience but that doesn't make him good or bad, not sure if he's intended to be first choice or not. Egbo looks on paper decent, O'Connell I've heard mixed stories.

TBH at this level I never get too excited about transfers in until we've seen them play for a period. General there's a reason they are at league 2/1 level. It's not like say when we bought in DiCanio or Jensen when you just knew you were getting quality. We're a different level now so you have to reply on those in the buying process, and that's where I think experience and game knowledge often outweighs the stats. So it seems these are manager appointments so you'd hope they work out (assuming the manager lasts! ).

Mendonca In Asdas said:

Nothing official confirmed yet?

And like Wayne Mumford there won’t be. The only way of finding out is to check the staff section of the clubs website to see if that person is there or not. 

CAFCsayer said:

Can't believe burger boy is still there

Tells you everything you need to know!

DamoNorthStand said:

WSS said:

DamoNorthStand said:

ValleyGary said:

New employee doesn’t pass probationary period. Nothing new is it?

For a c-suite role you would expect probation to be at least 6 months. It will be almost impossible to get rid before then unless it is gross misconduct or a mutual decision.

Why? Do C-Suite roles have more protection/rights than other roles?

if anything it’s better to bin them nice and early (I’ve seen it happen a a lot).

It does call into question the selection and interviewing methods though…

No but they will have much longer probation periods. A junior member of staff could be out the door in a month - and even then (regardless of seniority) it is bloody hard to fire someone nowadays. So a job that is hard for a senior or junior staff member is twice as hard again if they are on a 6 month probation.

Simply not true. Probation periods are only likely to affect the notice that an employer has to give the employee. There are no employment rights until someone has been employed for 2 years, whether they are COO or make the tea.