Results of match day attendance survey: TOO EXPENSIVE

jimmymelrose said:

IdleHans said:

The £23 seats are awful

Apart from terrible view and lack of legroom, there's a good number of idiots down there whose proximity makes spending another £6 to go elsewhere money well spent. Except then it's £29 and when you can stream for a tenner it's not a hard choice. I will still go, but my overall spend on tickets and in-ground purchases will be less than in previous seasons.

But? In the UK?
I assume that you're changing your IP address.

Why on earth wouldn't you ?

Athletico Charlton said:

To clarify, ticket prices on the whole are too high

 On that I agree with the majority.

My observation was that there are more affordable options and it is easy to buy in them (lower North) and walk upstairs to better seats (might not be right but it is possible and done regularly imo).

Limited capacity maybe but not full so far this season (upper or lower North).

There are also loads of freebies from season ticket holders available.

I suspect many on here saying they won't go because of price actually wouldn't go if it was £15-20.

Not seen a single post or thread asking for a season ticket holders free ticket, yet this site has a history of having supported fans whom have asked this sort of thing before.

Overall though, of course a L1 club coming off the back of it's worst season for ages should not have tickets priced at +£30, especially when cost of living means discretionary spend is under so much pressure for everyone.

But you've got to agree that a lot of this is madness. Buy a cheaper ticket and sneak into a better seat! Hit up a season ticket holder on a forum for a free ticket and hope they're not using it/not a little bit peeved that a stranger is hounding them for freebies! Normally go with family? Hit up loads of season ticket holders and never sit together! These aren't 'affordable options', these are finding your way to where you want to be via subterfuge or the spending capabilities of others. If all that can be offered is ways of getting round the actual system being offered then the system is broken.

Siv_in_Norfolk said:

If you have a lower North ticket, can you get into upper North, then? 

Serious question. Didn't know that. Just thought Upper North and NW quadrant were connected. 

The whole thing you can move around in. If in the lower tier go to the end (underneath the stand) towards the Alan Curbishley stand and take the stairs up to the Family Stand and move across.

It's a joke they charge digferent prices but have the flexaiblty to move around. 

The club should be using the knowledge of its supporters for free to deal with these issues, but it would rather pay consultant fees to ex Man Utd people to advise them. 

I didn't buy a season ticket this season for a number of reasons. Recently bought a house that is a bit of a renovation project and spending the majority of my spare time (and money) on that, an unwell member of my partners family meaning we are spending a significant about of time traveling back and forward to Bath to see them, a young niece that I'm helping out with. All of this meant that I couldn't go as much as I wanted for the back end of last season and with the football offered up it felt like I was going because I had the ST rather than because I wanted to. So I planned to go game by game as and when I could make it this season.

I've actually been able to make a couple of games this season but have chosen not to (Other than QPR in the carabao because I was taking my partners dad who is QPR) because i dont want to spend that money on a ticket which is clearly overpriced even for the shit seats plus travel costs. I'd rather spend it on a bag of plaster and spend it skimming a wall even in 30+ degree heat. 

Canters raises an important point. 
 
If the seat were the only cost involved, then perhaps fewer people would view its price as an obstacle, but the days are long gone when the majority of fans lived within walking distance of The Valley.  Many supporters have to add considerable travel expenses, and probably refreshments, in order to attend a match. 

So it is no wonder, at a time of rising inflation and uncertain future energy costs, that many are thinking twice about how they spend their decreasing discretionary funds.  The offering on the pitch needs to be consistently good to attract waverers at the current price-point.

Valleysarr said:

Siv_in_Norfolk said:

If you have a lower North ticket, can you get into upper North, then? 

Serious question. Didn't know that. Just thought Upper North and NW quadrant were connected. 

Yep 26 quid and walk up 

or free as many people I saw Sat Jibed in … 

I have pm'd you.

Fanny Fanackapan said:

jimmymelrose said:

IdleHans said:

The £23 seats are awful

Apart from terrible view and lack of legroom, there's a good number of idiots down there whose proximity makes spending another £6 to go elsewhere money well spent. Except then it's £29 and when you can stream for a tenner it's not a hard choice. I will still go, but my overall spend on tickets and in-ground purchases will be less than in previous seasons.

But? In the UK?
I assume that you're changing your IP address.

Why on earth wouldn't you ?

Well, as @IdleHans says himself above, it's dishonest but I am not going to judge on that.

Another reason is that it's expensive for the picture quality imo.

Thirdly, we've been crap for ages and although I would still go to most, if not all, home matches if I still lived in the south east of England, spending my Saturday afternoons on the sofa often makes me generally grumpy.

Out of curiosity then @Fanny Fanackapan, you say 'why wouldn't you' which seems odd because you do go to the matches, don't you?

jimmymelrose said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

jimmymelrose said:

IdleHans said:

The £23 seats are awful

Apart from terrible view and lack of legroom, there's a good number of idiots down there whose proximity makes spending another £6 to go elsewhere money well spent. Except then it's £29 and when you can stream for a tenner it's not a hard choice. I will still go, but my overall spend on tickets and in-ground purchases will be less than in previous seasons.

But? In the UK?
I assume that you're changing your IP address.

Why on earth wouldn't you ?

Well, as @IdleHans says himself above, it's dishonest but I am not going to judge on that.

Another reason is that it's expensive for the picture quality imo.

Thirdly, we've been crap for ages and although I would still go to most, if not all, home matches if I still lived in the south east of England, spending my Saturday afternoons on the sofa often makes me generally grumpy.

Out of curiosity then @Fanny Fanackapan, you say 'why wouldn't you' which seems odd because you do go to the matches, don't you?

Dishonest ? Really ? I don't regard myself as a dishonest person but if I'm unable to support, in person, the club I've supported for longer than you've been alive, then maybe, using the means available, I should be open to criticism....

I'd ask you to consider the situation your lovely parents found themselves in a few years ago, and one which your Addick brothers in the UK might also be in eventually.

In the days when we'd get to as many games away from home per season as possible ( as well as just about 100% of home games, being season ticket holders) we'd invariably see your Mum & Dad in attendance too- a heartwarming sight - and would exchange a few words with them en route to our seats. 

We'd also be at most Reserves' matches at Welling, and they were there too. You may well recall those days...

However, as age & perhaps, health issues, made it less possible for them to travel away, and then to home games, their presence was sorely missed by those of us who know them. And I feel sure that they miss those days too.

THIS is the position we are beginning to lurch towards, especially with regard to away games further north than the Midlands...partly due to energy levels decreasing plus the cost of travel /overnight stays. 

Now, your dear parents may feel at odds with our thoughts, but if by paying £10 to stream a match we're unable to attend ( for various reasons) then we'll continue to do so. Our weekly "fix" of watching our beloved team is often the difference between feeling bereft & feeling as close as is possible to actually "being there" which I trust you will understand. 

Until the method that we, and I believe many others, are currently utilising becomes illegal, then we shall continue to enjoy our football EVERY week throughout the season. End of.

Maybe "respect your elders" is something you might consider & remember that one day, you too will be a wrinkly.....

AndyG said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

jimmymelrose said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

jimmymelrose said:

IdleHans said:

The £23 seats are awful

Apart from terrible view and lack of legroom, there's a good number of idiots down there whose proximity makes spending another £6 to go elsewhere money well spent. Except then it's £29 and when you can stream for a tenner it's not a hard choice. I will still go, but my overall spend on tickets and in-ground purchases will be less than in previous seasons.

But? In the UK?
I assume that you're changing your IP address.

Why on earth wouldn't you ?

Well, as @IdleHans says himself above, it's dishonest but I am not going to judge on that.

Another reason is that it's expensive for the picture quality imo.

Thirdly, we've been crap for ages and although I would still go to most, if not all, home matches if I still lived in the south east of England, spending my Saturday afternoons on the sofa often makes me generally grumpy.

Out of curiosity then @Fanny Fanackapan, you say 'why wouldn't you' which seems odd because you do go to the matches, don't you?

Dishonest ? Really ? I don't regard myself as a dishonest person but if I'm unable to support, in person, the club I've supported for longer than you've been alive, then maybe, using the means available, I should be open to criticism....

I'd ask you to consider the situation your lovely parents found themselves in a few years ago, and one which your Addick brothers in the UK might also be in eventually.

In the days when we'd get to as many games away from home per season as possible ( as well as just about 100% of home games, being season ticket holders) we'd invariably see your Mum & Dad in attendance too- a heartwarming sight - and would exchange a few words with them en route to our seats. 

We'd also be at most Reserves' matches at Welling, and they were there too. You may well recall those days...

However, as age & perhaps, health issues, made it less possible for them to travel away, and then to home games, their presence was sorely missed by those of us who know them. And I feel sure that they miss those days too.

THIS is the position we are beginning to lurch towards, especially with regard to away games further north than the Midlands...partly due to energy levels decreasing plus the cost of travel /overnight stays. 

Now, your dear parents may feel at odds with our thoughts, but if by paying £10 to stream a match we're unable to attend ( for various reasons) then we'll continue to do so. Our weekly "fix" of watching our beloved team is often the difference between feeling bereft & feeling as close as is possible to actually "being there" which I trust you will understand. 

Until the method that we, and I believe many others, are currently utilising becomes illegal, then we shall continue to enjoy our football EVERY week throughout the season. End of.

Maybe "respect your elders" is something you might consider & remember that one day, you too will be a wrinkly.....

Well said Fanny. For many reasons there are alot of us that cant attend as many games as we would like and the stream is the only way we can watch and also contribute financially to the club we love. I personally have missed a game since it started. That more money the club have had than it would have had from me without it. I personally have said before I would have absolutely no objection to paying the same price for the stream as I would a ticket. I just dont get the argument about the stream cutting crowd numbers

But would you buy the £29 stream and sit on the sofa or pay £23 and sit on a little hard chair at the back of the room?

Fanny Fanackapan said:

jimmymelrose said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

jimmymelrose said:

IdleHans said:

The £23 seats are awful

Apart from terrible view and lack of legroom, there's a good number of idiots down there whose proximity makes spending another £6 to go elsewhere money well spent. Except then it's £29 and when you can stream for a tenner it's not a hard choice. I will still go, but my overall spend on tickets and in-ground purchases will be less than in previous seasons.

But? In the UK?
I assume that you're changing your IP address.

Why on earth wouldn't you ?

Well, as @IdleHans says himself above, it's dishonest but I am not going to judge on that.

Another reason is that it's expensive for the picture quality imo.

Thirdly, we've been crap for ages and although I would still go to most, if not all, home matches if I still lived in the south east of England, spending my Saturday afternoons on the sofa often makes me generally grumpy.

Out of curiosity then @Fanny Fanackapan, you say 'why wouldn't you' which seems odd because you do go to the matches, don't you?

Dishonest ? Really ? I don't regard myself as a dishonest person but if I'm unable to support, in person, the club I've supported for longer than you've been alive, then maybe, using the means available, I should be open to criticism....

I'd ask you to consider the situation your lovely parents found themselves in a few years ago, and one which your Addick brothers in the UK might also be in eventually.

In the days when we'd get to as many games away from home per season as possible ( as well as just about 100% of home games, being season ticket holders) we'd invariably see your Mum & Dad in attendance too- a heartwarming sight - and would exchange a few words with them en route to our seats. 

We'd also be at most Reserves' matches at Welling, and they were there too. You may well recall those days...

However, as age & perhaps, health issues, made it less possible for them to travel away, and then to home games, their presence was sorely missed by those of us who know them. And I feel sure that they miss those days too.

THIS is the position we are beginning to lurch towards, especially with regard to away games further north than the Midlands...partly due to energy levels decreasing plus the cost of travel /overnight stays. 

Now, your dear parents may feel at odds with our thoughts, but if by paying £10 to stream a match we're unable to attend ( for various reasons) then we'll continue to do so. Our weekly "fix" of watching our beloved team is often the difference between feeling bereft & feeling as close as is possible to actually "being there" which I trust you will understand. 

Until the method that we, and I believe many others, are currently utilising becomes illegal, then we shall continue to enjoy our football EVERY week throughout the season. End of.

Maybe "respect your elders" is something you might consider & remember that one day, you too will be a wrinkly.....

...it's dishonest however you try and spin it I am afraid.

It's dishonest because you're lying about your location in order to access the service (assuming where talking about games where you're streaming weekend games via VPN rather than the standard midweek streams).  Is there a law against it? Well technically I suppose someone could make an argument that it's fraud by misrepresentation, but I doubt there's a police force in the country that'd bother. I'd say a bigger risk is a civil case by the EFL / Sky / ITV against the club for infringing the broadcast rights by streaming to fans in the UK when they shouldn't, but as the EFL get a cut I doubt they would, and even if they did they'd probably go after clubs with bigger fanbases first.

Blockchain and NFT passes for streaming would solve this issue...