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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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If everyone stays fit I reckon we could scrape play-offs, but that is a huge if
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Right, well that’s my point, we’re better than last season. Whether it’s enough or not remains to be seen.Airman Brown said:
Well, quite, but we finished 13th last season. I should bloody hope so.BR7_addick said:21/22 team heading into 1st game after the summer window shut:
MacG
Matthews, Lavelle, Famewo, Gunter
DJ, Morgan, Watson, Kirk
Lee
Washington
This season team heading into 1st game after the summer window shut:
Wollacott
Clare, Lavelle, O’Connell, Clayden
Morgan, Dobson, Fraser
JRS, Stockley, Kirk
I’m taking this seasons team over last seasons 8 days a week.1 -
Very well said.Henry Irving said:Buy an expensive car but don't bother with a spare tyre or breakdown cover as they cost a lot and you might not need them.
Yet again Sandgaard over promises and under delivers.
And I don't just mean Thomas.
Martin was telling all and sundry, it seems, on Wednesday night about McG turning down a move to Wrexham and that Clare was available for £2m plus we were after this and that. Did he learn nothing from the Washington fiasco?
Meanwhile, Thomas was giving unnecessary updates on the OS before the window had closed.
Yes, deals fall through, yes, every team's fans (bar Forest) always want one more signing than they get but while this is a decent squad and can, bar the injuries already plaguing it, compete it has obvious weaknesses, acknowledged by TS in his latest vanity statement, that haven't been addressed.
The whole break even mantra is nonsense as it's based as much on increasing income as reducing costs but the club just lost its third biggest sponsor (Sandgaard’s words) in Robots DAO, an ill thought out and damaging deal that smacked of desperation and lack of diligence anyway.
Fill the Valley. Admirable but unrealistic especially given the ticket prices so that just leaves cuts in spending.
And the only place where significant savings can be made, because it is by far the biggest area of spending, is player costs.
And if you cut player spending then you end up with a half decent squad but without experienced cover up front or on one side of defence relying on very promising but as yet untested kids to fill the gaps.
Which is where we are, sadly but unnecessarily, now.
Supporting Charlton has rarely been easy and this is not the worst team or the worst situation even in this century but it is still bloody depressing when you realise how close we could be with just a little less conversation and a little more, positive, action, please.0 -
Not much to add other than I think last season's disastrous transfer of Charlie Kirk knocked Sandgaard's confidence far more than we realised at the time. That no significant fees have been authorised since then, even though it was patently obvious that we needed to shell out to land a suitable striker is pretty telling.4
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Shame to miss out on Bonne (I think he would have suited our system well), but don't see that very much has changed. We had a squad capable of challenging before yesterday and we have the very same now.I honestly don't get the feeling that this was a one-off opportunity to back Garner. Quite the opposite: we have a system of play now, and we have a direction of the club to provide the kind of players to fit that systems. There will be ups and downs along the way, no doubt, but the way I see it, things are going in the right direction, and no doubt the money that wasn't spent on Bonne can go towards someone in January. I would far prefer that than rushing around now trying to overpay for a free-agent.7
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No, because I was making the point that the loanees' ability level is clearly going to be higher than that of the free transfers we've signed from L2 and, in one case, L1 - in response to the question of why I was prepared to judge them (and Wollacott).FishCostaFortune said:
Bit unfair to hold up other signings to that of Rak-Sayki though don't you think. Just because it looks like he is going to be 'very very good', does not mean our other signings are not just 'very good'.Airman Brown said:
I thin the two loanees are in a different class to the other signings, don't you?ForeverAddickted said:
Is it not too soon to comment on Wollacott and the loans then?Airman Brown said:
There’s always a rush to judgement on signings. I was guilty of it on Clare and Dobson who turned out to be good signings. Too soon to say for me.Leuth said:
Churlish to withhold praise from EOC and Payne imo. They've been, on the whole, goodAirman Brown said:
This is really the story - we talk about data and sign two very promising loanees from the PL, three players from the manager’s former club and two others who will have been well known on the scouting circuit, neither of whom have yet pulled up any trees or are likely to do so at this stage of their career. What does Martin do again?Chunes said:All that talk about data, about lists of players and targets they've been working on for months, about being well-prepared for transfer windows now and it gets to deadline day and all they've got is former player Macauley Bonne. It really is farcical.
I’m not defending Gallen, but at least he has a football background. He can’t perform miracles if the owner can’t or won’t pay.Wollacott and the two loanees look good. The others we’ll have to see about over the course of the season.
Either way, at this early stage I would argue that O'Connell (apart from a two game blip), followed by Wollacott, have been our best signings. O'Connell may not be as flashy as other signings, but if 'Garnerball' really starts join together nicely it will be in no small part to him.
Also, as cliche as it sounds, I would also argue that Kirk is kinda like a new signing for us as well, and we all know how good he has been for us so far.
Either way, it's nice to be actually able to talk about some exciting looking players, even with the fuck up that was deadline day.
Any or all of the other players may do well. I'll hazard a guess that they won't do well enough to get us promoted, which is the object of the exercise.
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I get your pint, and I’m willing to stick my head above the parapet, I wouldn’t have been to gutted to have had him back.RonnieMoore said:No one wanted him anyway so why people complaining about the deal fallen through ….
I get peoples frustrations with him, gets offside a lot, takes a lot of chances to score a goal, wasn’t very good in his recent appearance against us at the Valley for QPR, but all that aside wasn’t he our top scorer when we were last in the Championship?
If not I’m sure he got 11 goals, which is none too shabby?
I know we are going to pay the price further down the line, when Stockley picks up an inevitable injury, and we’ll probably have Leaburn leading the line, and people will kick off and moan again, chill guys not a lot we can do about it, but I get the frustration.0 -
I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.2 -
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Seen his bank account then?J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
The guy is obsessed in balancing the books which in some respect is admirable but he has got the resources.
People are just throwing a paddy because he aint spending his money like they want.
And before its said, Im not happy with the outcome of not getting a striker but we have a nasty habit of crying over spilt milk for too long.6 -
to who?J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.0 -
Very well said indeed, and long live the car buying comparison. I look forward to its full debut in January.J BLOCK said:
Very well said.Henry Irving said:Buy an expensive car but don't bother with a spare tyre or breakdown cover as they cost a lot and you might not need them.
Yet again Sandgaard over promises and under delivers.
And I don't just mean Thomas.
Martin was telling all and sundry, it seems, on Wednesday night about McG turning down a move to Wrexham and that Clare was available for £2m plus we were after this and that. Did he learn nothing from the Washington fiasco?
Meanwhile, Thomas was giving unnecessary updates on the OS before the window had closed.
Yes, deals fall through, yes, every team's fans (bar Forest) always want one more signing than they get but while this is a decent squad and can, bar the injuries already plaguing it, compete it has obvious weaknesses, acknowledged by TS in his latest vanity statement, that haven't been addressed.
The whole break even mantra is nonsense as it's based as much on increasing income as reducing costs but the club just lost its third biggest sponsor (Sandgaard’s words) in Robots DAO, an ill thought out and damaging deal that smacked of desperation and lack of diligence anyway.
Fill the Valley. Admirable but unrealistic especially given the ticket prices so that just leaves cuts in spending.
And the only place where significant savings can be made, because it is by far the biggest area of spending, is player costs.
And if you cut player spending then you end up with a half decent squad but without experienced cover up front or on one side of defence relying on very promising but as yet untested kids to fill the gaps.
Which is where we are, sadly but unnecessarily, now.
Supporting Charlton has rarely been easy and this is not the worst team or the worst situation even in this century but it is still bloody depressing when you realise how close we could be with just a little less conversation and a little more, positive, action, please.😉1 -
Golfie. I wish you could have said this years ago, would have saved me a fortune on not buying Christmas presents!golfaddick said:
This in spades......and more spades.sam3110 said:Hahahahaha for all of you saying "patience" and "wait until the window closes", where are you now?!
Absolute chancers
Week after week I kept being told we have until Sept 1st to finalise our transfer dealings.
Why dont people listen when I say you want to get your players in early. I bet some posters on here wait until xmas day to buy their loved ones some presents & end up having to buy an ice scraper or driving gloves from the petrol garage.
Utter shambles.0 -
But, and to use someone who plays in the same position, we could have signed Marcus Harness for 650,000, and his level is more than likely clearly going to be higher than his.Airman Brown said:
No, because I was making the point that the loanees' ability level is clearly going to be higher than that of the free transfers we've signed from L2 and, in one case, L1 - in response to the question of why I was prepared to judge them (and Wollacott).FishCostaFortune said:
Bit unfair to hold up other signings to that of Rak-Sayki though don't you think. Just because it looks like he is going to be 'very very good', does not mean our other signings are not just 'very good'.Airman Brown said:
I thin the two loanees are in a different class to the other signings, don't you?ForeverAddickted said:
Is it not too soon to comment on Wollacott and the loans then?Airman Brown said:
There’s always a rush to judgement on signings. I was guilty of it on Clare and Dobson who turned out to be good signings. Too soon to say for me.Leuth said:
Churlish to withhold praise from EOC and Payne imo. They've been, on the whole, goodAirman Brown said:
This is really the story - we talk about data and sign two very promising loanees from the PL, three players from the manager’s former club and two others who will have been well known on the scouting circuit, neither of whom have yet pulled up any trees or are likely to do so at this stage of their career. What does Martin do again?Chunes said:All that talk about data, about lists of players and targets they've been working on for months, about being well-prepared for transfer windows now and it gets to deadline day and all they've got is former player Macauley Bonne. It really is farcical.
I’m not defending Gallen, but at least he has a football background. He can’t perform miracles if the owner can’t or won’t pay.Wollacott and the two loanees look good. The others we’ll have to see about over the course of the season.
Either way, at this early stage I would argue that O'Connell (apart from a two game blip), followed by Wollacott, have been our best signings. O'Connell may not be as flashy as other signings, but if 'Garnerball' really starts join together nicely it will be in no small part to him.
Also, as cliche as it sounds, I would also argue that Kirk is kinda like a new signing for us as well, and we all know how good he has been for us so far.
Either way, it's nice to be actually able to talk about some exciting looking players, even with the fuck up that was deadline day.
Any or all of the other players may do well. I'll hazard a guess that they won't do well enough to get us promoted, which is the object of the exercise.
The equation is the same, he will likely always be in a different class to almost most players at this level.0 -
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Bonne is well within his right to give stick back but I hope the useless c*** rots in the ressies and never tastes success. Helmet.7
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I definitely think the club is short of money. I’d expect some movement in come January but I get the impression we’ll be selling too and I don’t mean a couple of fringe players.seth plum said:I reckon TS is short of money for us. Events like getting rid of people indicate this.
Ben Garner has to play the hand he’s got.
If Garner isn’t positive about that then he should leave.
The remaining question is if there is anybody with the resources to take over the club.
I doubt there is anybody, so maybe the choice is the situation we have now or no club at all.
Personally I have felt uplifted by the U21 game on Tuesday, and the silly buggers cup game on Wednesday, and the transfer window shenanigans will not diminish that feeling.
Provided we still continue to play well and get actual results it is easy to enjoy this season, starting with trying to follow the progress of our U21’s at Barnsley at 2pm this afternoon.
Tomorrow at Bolton is a must win and not a day for miserable excuses.
The spectre at the feast is not whether we signed anybody yesterday, but potential and actual injuries.2 -
I dunno, he got so much targeted abuse online yesterday for the crime of nearly being signed for Charlton that I can understand the reaction. It's a stupid thing for him to do but I can imagine if I got hours upon hours of randoms telling me I was shit at my job in lurid detail I'd probably struggle not to have a word back.palarsehater said:
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I went to bed praying that it wasn’t Bonne who we were signing. I woke up disappointed that he hadn’t signed. He would have been better than nothing.
As for the owner, initially It seemed we would be shopping in Harrods. Soon after, I accepted that we would now be shopping in the House of Fraser. Over the last 48 hours, I hoped we could get something from Poundland.
Reading the excuses coming from the club, it now seems we are scouring the charity shops.
After 64 years as an Addick, I really should have known better. This is what it is to support CAFC.5 -
Regardless of any argument around footballing ability why did our recruitment experts want to sign a player with that mentality and immaturity. It is absolutely remarkable.0
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Garrymanilow said:
I dunno, he got so much targeted abuse online yesterday for the crime of nearly being signed for Charlton that I can understand the reaction. It's a stupid thing for him to do but I can imagine if I got hours upon hours of randoms telling me I was shit at my job in lurid detail I'd probably struggle not to have a word back.palarsehater said:
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Most of best players will have 6 month left on their contracts in January. No one's going to be paying significant sums for them at that point.ShootersHillGuru said:
I definitely think the club is short of money. I’d expect some movement in come January but I get the impression we’ll be selling too and I don’t mean a couple of fringe players.seth plum said:I reckon TS is short of money for us. Events like getting rid of people indicate this.
Ben Garner has to play the hand he’s got.
If Garner isn’t positive about that then he should leave.
The remaining question is if there is anybody with the resources to take over the club.
I doubt there is anybody, so maybe the choice is the situation we have now or no club at all.
Personally I have felt uplifted by the U21 game on Tuesday, and the silly buggers cup game on Wednesday, and the transfer window shenanigans will not diminish that feeling.
Provided we still continue to play well and get actual results it is easy to enjoy this season, starting with trying to follow the progress of our U21’s at Barnsley at 2pm this afternoon.
Tomorrow at Bolton is a must win and not a day for miserable excuses.
The spectre at the feast is not whether we signed anybody yesterday, but potential and actual injuries.0 -
Depressing end to a window, but overall it's not as bad as some are saying.
Yes, an injury to a CB might mean playing Clare there. If not, Elerewe (not Elerwe) has shown promise, as has Ness. You wouldn't want them up against the best L1 sides at this stage, but against a lower ranked side I think they'd be fine.
My concern is Stockley. We need better for a real promotion push, or we at least need Aneke to rise miraculously from the treatment table and put some minutes in. Leaburn looks better at home than away. Kanu is a finisher, and might be worth giving more minutes to, perhaps away from home? How about CBT as a 9, with his pace? Failing that, a false nine might be worth a try if Stockley and Aneke are out? Or maybe play with Kirk, Rak-Sakyi and CBT up top and allow them freedom to switch it up? Something unpredictable that might unsettle teams.
As others have said, we have good players due to come back from injury. Let's see how it works out when they do before writing off our season.
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So much overreaction on here. In May with JJ gone, many of us wanted a wholesale clear out including backroom staff, most of kind of agreed we'd need around 10 new signings to stand a chance. Well we got Garner and his staff and 7 new players. Of the starting 11 for most games so far we have around 4 who were here immediately after the August transfer window shut last year. Without doubt we have a stronger team/squad than the one that started last season, you just need to look at Gilbey and JFC struggling to get game time to confirm this.
We have also seen the emergence of potentially one of the best crops of youth players we've seen in a while. I don't think many of us expected Leaburn to look as comfortable as he has or Clayden to be able to fill in at LB with no real issues or the potential of Henry.
That said it hasn't been a perfect window, clearly the number of signings Garner/TS wanted was 9. I don't buy that Bonne was a target from the start, look at a number of "wanted" strikers who haven't moved for whatever reason but was more of a backup that fell through in the end, and judging by some of the reactions on here many of you will be pleased he hasn't joined. The lack of CB is the bigger issue imo as it would be a huge surprise to see Inniss get through a whole season.
However, some of the responses this morning are laughable. "Season over", "worried about the future of the club", "thrown away our best chance of promotion". just to point out the obvious, it's 2nd of September we are currently just outside the playoff places with arguably one of the toughest starts to the season compared to others. We are seeing a very attractive style of play versus what we have been used to and there is still time to add to the squad with some decent freebies. Genuinely if anyone does think that now is the right time to write off a season then do us all a favour and don't go to games and don't post on here. It really is pathetic.20 -
What's that Bonne image meant to mean?0
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There was 100s of tweets slating Bonne yesterday, they ranged from “OMG he’s shit” to “I’d rather sign no one”.
Can you blame the geeza for that response.23
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