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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

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  • Lets not make out that if TS didn't step in, we would have just refreshed the computer after a nice dose of admin and be in a strong position now. @swordfish has highlighted this well.
  • I think Gallen is probably doing just as good a job, it’s more optics and perceptions playing their part here and a simple fact, the budget is all of a sudden looking leaner. 

    Some outgoing players like Davison and Burstow attracted pretty decent money apparently (I know more on the former than latter) while his selling skills are continuing to do their job, we beat off stiff competition including clubs in the Champ for McGrandles, for example.

    The man comes across highly professionally, is articulate and appears to work his b*ll*cks off. I fear he is a flight risk and will be a real loss for us if the break even noises land at his door. Hopefully his value is recognised and respected. You get what you pay for after all…


    Ah well that’s him off then…
  • I think people see clubs going into administration and then a season or two later they are flying high with a bright future. Clean slate and fresh start and all that.
    But we are talking Charlton here and you just know that if we ever went into admin we would never recover.
  • IdleHans said:

    The Valley will be flooded in less than 10 years - who would buy that? It's not something I wish for, but I'd love to see RD's face when he realises he's held on too long and now owns the Atlantis Stadium, a shipping hazard
    He will be pretty happy he has managed to live that long!
  • Maybe some ads in his local papers pointing out how he’s still squeezing the life out of the club by separating it from its spiritual home? He doesn’t like to be embarrassed, does he!
  • If Wembley was actually in Newcastle not London what do we think the split of fans would have been ? We have the rather large advantage of getting to Wembley on  an Oyster card.
    You can get to Wembley from Hastings on Oyster?
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  • Rob said:
    Garnerball was looking promising after the Plymouth game but since then everything has fallen apart and our players are being shown up as just not good enough. Or, is it the coaching that is being shown up as just not good enough! So much for needing 2 more windows to make us promotion challengers. Looks to me like Garner is starting to run out of ideas. The wheels may very well be coming off the bus and it’s all down to penny pinching by our owner. That’s how I see it anyway. Not good times to be a Charlton fan. We are well and truly going backwards. Who fancies L2 next year? That’s where we could well be heading. 
    We won't go down but we have absolutely no chance of going up - Sandgaard and his penny-pinching has made sure of that.
    Garner's possession football is good in principal but you have to move the ball quickly and players have to show for the ball. The passing is so slow that sometimes you think that it won't reach the recipient. Other times it is pinged at such a pace that there is no chance of controlling the ball.
    Another season of mediocrity is under way.
    It looks like Sandgaard will have to really cut those costs further to achieve his break-even plans because he certainly will not be increasing revenue, unless, of course, he sells every promising youngster.
  • Done with TS, convinced we will never be more than a mid table team under him. Pray that he has enough of losing money and sells up. 

    Sick of being bang average.
  • He’s not losing any money, it’s all a loan. We will end up in administration 
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    robroy said:
    He’s not losing any money, it’s all a loan. We will end up in administration 
    Isn’t he more likely to sell so he gets some of his money back? He won’t get it all back unless he gets lucky with a few big sales and someone making up the rest with their offer for the club.
  • robroy said:
    He’s not losing any money, it’s all a loan. We will end up in administration 
    We only owe money to Thomas, he would have to put us in administration and wouldn't get any of it back.
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  • I can't see how we are worth more than £1. No ground assets and the rest loses money as a guarantee at around £8m a season at this level. We are shrinking as a club of our size can't stay in this league and not do so. We need to climb up the leagues but with this owner, even if he spent money, which he did initially, he is an idiot. I take no joy in pointing it out, I just take off the rose tinted specs and it is there, sadly, for all to see.
    Someone with money and a plan might see it differently. That’s not to say they’ll have enough money or a good plan, or even good intentions.
  • Scoham said:
    Isn’t he more likely to sell so he gets some of his money back? He won’t get it all back unless he gets lucky with a few big sales and someone making up the rest with their offer for the club.
    He’s got nothing to sell. He doesn’t own anything except “the football club” which is bang in debt. Even if he sold off the entire academy squad at a million quid a man (nurse, nurse!!!!!!!) he wouldn’t get back what he’s lost so far. He could only sell to a deluded egocentric with more money than sense who knows fuck all about running a football club. Lightning striking twice and all that……
  • robroy said:
    He’s not losing any money, it’s all a loan. We will end up in administration 
    Could you explain further?
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    Scoham said:
    Someone with money and a plan might see it differently. That’s not to say they’ll have enough money or a good plan, or even good intentions.
    Yes, I am not saying we can't be successful. I am saying that Sandgaard shouldn't expect any money for us and the person who takes us over needs not to be an egotistical fool who thinks he knows better than everybody else. He might do when it comes to medical equipment but my dog would make better football decisions and that includes when he was spending money. I was questioning his decisions then too.

    It is quite simple when you own a football club. Get the right manager in and back him. Don't tell him how to play, just back him. And if he isn't the right manager sack him and try again. 
  • I'm just wondering in a sale situation, what price would TS even want given he owns very little? 
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    MarcusH26 said:
    I'm just wondering in a sale situation, what price would TS even want given he owns very little? 
    I can’t imagine anyone sensible/honest/not oil money rich would now pay anything for the club alone. Possibly a deal whereby they assume the debt, but even then I wouldn’t do it if it was my money. 
  • se9addick said:
    I can’t imagine anyone sensible/honest/not oil money rich would now pay anything for the club alone. Possibly a deal whereby they assume the debt, but even then I wouldn’t do it if it was my money. 

    That's what I was thinking, no one would want to assume the debt and the club in effect changes hands for a nominal amount. 
  • MarcusH26 said:

    That's what I was thinking, no one would want to assume the debt and the club in effect changes hands for a nominal amount. 
     But whoever 'buys'. And I use the term loosely, will probably end up in the same situation as Sandgaard pretty quickly.
    There may be some out there with serious capital to move us forward, but having to deal with Duchatelet would be a major sticking point imo.
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    Although I do not own the club, I have been suggesting from day one a model which is about trying to find a manager on the cheap from within and if that does not pay off, ensure they are easy to sack and try somebody else from within. I wouldn't tell them how to play, just get us up and I would back them as best I could within reason. Unless I had shedloads of cash to throw at it, that is how you do it.

    Sandgaard came in full of bluster, promised to blow the league away and brought in an expensive experienced manager who was told how to play. Ok, if you are going to keep funding that model but already we have seen this season that Sandgaard isn't. He decided how he wanted us to play, brought in a manager and didn't back him. 

    We got rid of a lot of dead wood in the Summer and it was a chance to focus on continuous improvement. Not tear up the blueprint and start again. If Jacko was decided not to be the man, Euell should have been given a chance. Give them a chance and sack them until you get the right one. Garner has shown potential but he has been told how to play and hasn't been properly backed and that is pretty shite for him.

    Hearing Sandgaard in the summer filled me with fear, talking about the success we would gain from playing a specific game when really we needed to evolve based on what we had. Moving from how Sandgaard wanted us to play from where we were was always going to cost more money and the idiot seems intent on drastically cutting the budget. 
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