POST-MATCH THREAD: PORT VALE V CHARLTON ATHLETIC / SATURDAY 19th NOVEMBER 2022 3.00pm KO

Airman Brown · November 2022

Lincsaddick said:

Airman Brown said:

seth plum said:

I can see that Sandgaard is going for break even, and as a result of not building huge debt the results will suffer, crowds will diminish, but hopefully the club won't go bust, eventually some kind of equilibrium will be reached, maybe after relegation.

This won't happen, because it can't. It's the same craziness which imagines we lose less money in L1 than the Championship. This is because you cannot eliminate the fixed costs or reduce the variable costs to a level at which the business stabilises.

surely the biggest cost is player wages. The higher you go, the better players you need and they will want paying accordingly .. I'll wager very few, if any Championship clubs make a profit whereas small LI and L2 clubs can get by with very careful cost control .. these are guesses ..
Another guess, Championship football is much more expensive for owners than L1 football, simply because, as said player wages will be much higher in the higher division

Yes, but Charlton’s revenue doubles on promotion because of the central payments (roughly £7m to £15m). You can lose a lot of money in the Championship but you have a degree of control over it because you decide what to spend. In L1 you don’t have the income in the first place. We wouldn’t break even in L1 if the players were paid nothing. We probably would in the Championship.

Charlton have consistently lost more money (excluding transfers) in L1 than in the Championship. It’s not a coincidence.

As you go down the structure the fixed costs, eg the rent, take a bigger proportion of the income and ticket revenue becomes more important. The academy also becomes less sustainable, unless you abandon category two.

Solidgone · November 2022

What puzzles me with the team’s performances is that it’s either Garnerball or shyteball - we have played at times some really attractive football against good teams and look unbeatable. And then there’s the flip side where they’ve churned up substandard football with lack of effort against the mediocre teams. Anyone care to exam why?

SoundAsa£ · November 2022

Solidgone said:

What puzzles me with the team’s performances is that it’s either Garnerball or shyteball - we have played at times some really attractive football against good teams and look unbeatable. And then there’s the flip side where they’ve churned up substandard football with lack of effort against the mediocre teams. Anyone care to exam why?

If only someone could.🤨

billysboots · November 2022

Do you think that Garner knows how to break down a team that has 10 men behind the ball ?

cabbles · November 2022

billysboots said:

Do you think that Garner knows how to break down a team that has 10 men behind the ball ?

Try and keep it level going into the final 30 and throw on Aneke

seth plum · November 2022

I made a mistake earlier.
We have Plymouth Away tomorrow evening in the silly buggers cup, and then an U21 game against Fulham on Wednesday.

The_Organiser · November 2022

bobmunro said:

clb74 said:

bobmunro said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Lordflashheart said:

I went yesterday - dreadful - like their ground though

What on earth was going on outside the ground afterwards, Police everywhere, and scuffling with fans (mainly Charlton ones from what I can make out) ???

What was the agg all about , was it Charlton fan’s anger after that crap that Glad all fucking over was being played , over zealous old bill, local northern Herbert’s on the wind up … all of the above

What I saw as I left the ground was pissed off Charlton fans rather than pissed up - the police were very heavy handed (and there were lots of them) - almost like they were hoping for aggro.

My missus was two miles away in the car waiting for me and my eldest and our anger had just about gone by the time we had walked that two miles. Didn't see any trouble at all as we walked away.

At times its like our lot go to a different game.
The old bill were quite pleasant outside when we left on 84minutes.
Wished us on our way , pointed us in the direction we might be able to pick a cab up aswell.
Luckily enough cab there and was able to get the 17.13 back to London.

We left about 15 minutes later as the players went off.

I has no issue with the police, smiles and pleasantries exchanged - but an old fart like me doesn't exactly present them with a challenge! There just seemed to be a lot of them, but I believe PV games are routinely fairly heavily policed.

Vale are a very lively and active bunch of Herbert’s, plus we had a notable risk group attend on a coach, which had not gone unnoticed by there lot or the local ob. The ob presence outside the away end after was to stop our group attempting to leave the away compound. It worked.

MuttleyCAFC · November 2022

Garner does have to ifentify why we are worse away. I would say there is a definite pattern of weaker teams being ultra cautious and us being a bit more cautious away which is a problem. At home you can't generally play with the lack of ambition we showed in Saturday's match against a home team determined to get bodies behind the ball and nick a goal and not get booed. I suspect that if we were a bit more gung ho and attacked games more away, we would have gained more points.

If we are playing a team that has no interest in putting us under pressure, do we really need two centre halves for instance. These are things Garner should be thinking about. At the end of the game he had Dobson playing as a quasi centre half and this may be the way against the more negative teams as they do seem to be our biggest issue. I'm not saying we are great and we don't have other issues but a glaring problem night require a radical solution. Especially with the attacking shortcomings we currently have and the likliehood we will concede the sort of goal we did on Saturday however few chances our opponents have. And we have to remember that many of the teams we play are not that good.