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Pre, Match & Post (p14) Thread| Plymouth Argyle vs Charlton Athletic (PJ2R)| Tues 22 November 2022
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Except our passes are often too shortDazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.2 -
And limited movement in front and/or limited ability to hold the ball up don't help us. Further compounded, as was the case at Port Vale, by Dobson patrolling the back four and contributing to the side-ways nonsense. Who was in the Dobson role tonight?EugenesAxe said:
Except our passes are often too shortDazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.2 -
Your a ray of sunshine aren't you...LoOkOuT said:I know it shouldn’t bother me so much, but I was livid watching that. We create a rod for our own backs every chance we get. Pass, pass, pass under pressure… oooh, aren’t we cute? Going no where nine times out of ten, except when we get caught in possession or gift the other side a chance or six, then we’re chasing our tales. No one can defend, because all the emphasis is on keeping possession in useless areas of the pitch.
Two moments summed it all up for me. When the second Plymouth goal went in after a calamitous individual error there was no reaction. Looking to keep possession, Mitchell played the ball across his own box straight to a Plymouth player. No one seemed to bat an eye! So, it happened again for their third, when Harness needlessly played a ball out to an under-presssure Henry who was routinely dispossessed…. Shrug.
We’re told that we have a style and an identity. Well, we play ineffective, careless, possession football, punctuated only by brief moments of interest going forward and calamitous defending.0 -
Sadly, with the exception of Leaburn and maybe Campbell, it does not look from this and other performances that any of our other youth teamers are likely to make it into the first team on a regular basis this season. Henry, Elerewe and Chin did look promising but have gone backwards.
Asimwe maybe on this performance might get there but probably too soon to say.1 -
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A mixture of Henry, JFC and Morgan mainlyswords_alive said:
And limited movement in front and/or limited ability to hold the ball up don't help us. Further compounded, as was the case at Port Vale, by Dobson patrolling the back four and contributing to the side-ways nonsense. Who was in the Dobson role tonight?EugenesAxe said:
Except our passes are often too shortDazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.0 -
Chin will be a winger.
Elerewe was poor tonight.
Henry was woeful.
Asiimwe will be the next to move up, Oguntayo was developing well before his injury, hopefully that continues.
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Plymouth website reads 101 Charlton there tonight.
Take a bow fellas.14 -
Maybe I’m just pissed off with it because I had to watch it from in the Lyndhurst road stand, the only positive was hearing lots of “that number 8 is useful “.0
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The Assimwe assist and several other forward breaks down the right, also every time Chin and Campbell had the space to break forward...aliwibble said:
Which would be nice if we ever actually broke forward, rather than the defence playing pass the parcel amongst themselves.Dazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.
The danger is that it gives the opposition a good counter opportunity.
Dobson's been poor lately too. We need to eliminate that part of the play style for sure.swords_alive said:
And limited movement in front and/or limited ability to hold the ball up don't help us. Further compounded, as was the case at Port Vale, by Dobson patrolling the back four and contributing to the side-ways nonsense. Who was in the Dobson role tonight?EugenesAxe said:
Except our passes are often too shortDazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.0 -
So how many rays is thatLCafc43v3r said:
Your a ray of sunshine aren't you...LoOkOuT said:I know it shouldn’t bother me so much, but I was livid watching that. We create a rod for our own backs every chance we get. Pass, pass, pass under pressure… oooh, aren’t we cute? Going no where nine times out of ten, except when we get caught in possession or gift the other side a chance or six, then we’re chasing our tales. No one can defend, because all the emphasis is on keeping possession in useless areas of the pitch.
Two moments summed it all up for me. When the second Plymouth goal went in after a calamitous individual error there was no reaction. Looking to keep possession, Mitchell played the ball across his own box straight to a Plymouth player. No one seemed to bat an eye! So, it happened again for their third, when Harness needlessly played a ball out to an under-presssure Henry who was routinely dispossessed…. Shrug.
We’re told that we have a style and an identity. Well, we play ineffective, careless, possession football, punctuated only by brief moments of interest going forward and calamitous defending.0 -
Dobson is a real problem when trying to play out from the back. Adkins knew it, Garner knows it. The problem is we are even worse when he doesn't play.swords_alive said:
And limited movement in front and/or limited ability to hold the ball up don't help us. Further compounded, as was the case at Port Vale, by Dobson patrolling the back four and contributing to the side-ways nonsense. Who was in the Dobson role tonight?EugenesAxe said:
Except our passes are often too shortDazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.0 -
In all honesty, I was thinking more of the regular first team, rather than it being a critique of tonight so much. And in the first half, Harness was definitely not averse to the odd hoof out from defence.Dazzler21 said:
The Assimwe assist and several other forward breaks down the right, also every time Chin and Campbell had the space to break forward...aliwibble said:
Which would be nice if we ever actually broke forward, rather than the defence playing pass the parcel amongst themselves.Dazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.
The danger is that it gives the opposition a good counter opportunity.0 -
Dobbo is a firefighter - not a creative sparkCafc43v3r said:
Dobson is a real problem when trying to play out from the back. Adkins knew it, Garner knows it. The problem is we are even worse when he doesn't play.swords_alive said:
And limited movement in front and/or limited ability to hold the ball up don't help us. Further compounded, as was the case at Port Vale, by Dobson patrolling the back four and contributing to the side-ways nonsense. Who was in the Dobson role tonight?EugenesAxe said:
Except our passes are often too shortDazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.
When we need someone to win the ball back and keep us ticking over he's outstanding. When he tries a long pass it's rarely fruitful. Reminds me of Semedo (tbf i loved him too)2 -
He is great at winning the ball back, it's the keeping us ticking over bit he can't do. His actual passing is fine, it's the angles he makes to receive it and his ability to play on the half turn that's the problem IMO. That's probably the reason he isn't coverted by clubs higher up the leagues.Swisdom said:
Dobbo is a firefighter - not a creative sparkCafc43v3r said:
Dobson is a real problem when trying to play out from the back. Adkins knew it, Garner knows it. The problem is we are even worse when he doesn't play.swords_alive said:
And limited movement in front and/or limited ability to hold the ball up don't help us. Further compounded, as was the case at Port Vale, by Dobson patrolling the back four and contributing to the side-ways nonsense. Who was in the Dobson role tonight?EugenesAxe said:
Except our passes are often too shortDazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.
When we need someone to win the ball back and keep us ticking over he's outstanding. When he tries a long pass it's rarely fruitful. Reminds me of Semedo (tbf i loved him too)
You can't play him in a double pivot because you still have that problem and he doesn't know when to attack the ball, he is so much better at that when he knows it's only him.
It's a massive problem because you simply can't not play him. Semedo was a much better passer of the ball.0 -
Dobbo hasn't got the players around him to make the best of his talents. He should be alongside a really creative midfielder or two , plus two wide men who can defend as well as attack.Swisdom said:
Dobbo is a firefighter - not a creative sparkCafc43v3r said:
Dobson is a real problem when trying to play out from the back. Adkins knew it, Garner knows it. The problem is we are even worse when he doesn't play.swords_alive said:
And limited movement in front and/or limited ability to hold the ball up don't help us. Further compounded, as was the case at Port Vale, by Dobson patrolling the back four and contributing to the side-ways nonsense. Who was in the Dobson role tonight?EugenesAxe said:
Except our passes are often too shortDazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.
When we need someone to win the ball back and keep us ticking over he's outstanding. When he tries a long pass it's rarely fruitful. Reminds me of Semedo (tbf i loved him too)
His job should be to break up play and give the easy ball to the creative midfielder to make things happen.8 -
As long as he stays in his lane he is fine at keeping us ticking over imo. Win it back a play a simple pass to someone more creative. But he’s not going to be the one to beat a man with skill or a turn of pace and set us off offensively.Cafc43v3r said:
He is great at winning the ball back, it's the keeping us ticking over bit he can't do. His actual passing is fine, it's the angles he makes to receive it and his ability to play on the half turn that's the problem IMO. That's probably the reason he isn't coverted by clubs higher up the leagues.Swisdom said:
Dobbo is a firefighter - not a creative sparkCafc43v3r said:
Dobson is a real problem when trying to play out from the back. Adkins knew it, Garner knows it. The problem is we are even worse when he doesn't play.swords_alive said:
And limited movement in front and/or limited ability to hold the ball up don't help us. Further compounded, as was the case at Port Vale, by Dobson patrolling the back four and contributing to the side-ways nonsense. Who was in the Dobson role tonight?EugenesAxe said:
Except our passes are often too shortDazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.
When we need someone to win the ball back and keep us ticking over he's outstanding. When he tries a long pass it's rarely fruitful. Reminds me of Semedo (tbf i loved him too)
You can't play him in a double pivot because you still have that problem and he doesn't know when to attack the ball, he is so much better at that when he knows it's only him.
It's a massive problem because you simply can't not play him. Semedo was a much better passer of the ball.Maybe this is why people regard JFC as the saviour (which he isn’t) because he can pick a pass and can sit in front of the back four and play like a quarterback. He just isn’t mobile enough for me0 -
Considering Plymouth had a much more
experienced side than us out , I would say despite the result tonight was a good game for our boys.The non league loanees would have had a look. At some better opposition, and the youngsters can only benefit from the experience.3 -
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Their goalie got given MOTM award.0
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Just got back from cricket club AGM where my contribution was zero when they were looking for posts to fill and all i could add was the odd snidey quip
so i'll continue here
just seen the result
good
crock of shit and i look forward to us losing in this shameful competition next year
101 legends going down there, i predicted 84, forgot to add the 17 parents that went down there to watch their kids
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Marshall was complimentary about the senior pros in the second half, which must mean Morgan and Payne. I'm not sure I agree that we had more control in the second half than the first though.killerandflash said:0 -
South West Addicks some of them.oohaahmortimer said:Just got back from cricket club AGM where my contribution was zero when they were looking for posts to fill and all i could add was the odd snidey quip
so i'll continue here
just seen the result
good
crock of shit and i look forward to us losing in this shameful competition next year
101 legends going down there, i predicted 84, forgot to add the 17 parents that went down there to watch their kids0 -
Hmmm. Don't quite remember Killer & Flash doing that....especially when they were chasing clearances from Les Berry.Dazzler21 said:The emphasis is on pulling the opposition out of position so you can break forward.
Somehow football in the 70's & 80's seemed a lot simpler & more effective. Defenders defend & forwards score.3 -
Yes. Was an impressively large branch a while back when Lester Trask was running it.JamesSeed said:
South West Addicks some of them.oohaahmortimer said:Just got back from cricket club AGM where my contribution was zero when they were looking for posts to fill and all i could add was the odd snidey quip
so i'll continue here
just seen the result
good
crock of shit and i look forward to us losing in this shameful competition next year
101 legends going down there, i predicted 84, forgot to add the 17 parents that went down there to watch their kids
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Expected goals data not available for the Pizza Trophy unfortunately… but the shot data from Opta is still interesting to compare and contrast.killerandflash said:The XG for this game will be interesting, as there were a LOT of chances for both sides
Plymouth - CAFC
Shots Total 16-18
Shots On Target 7-7
Shots Inside the Area 12-10
Big Chances 1-3
“Big Chances - A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score, usually in a one on one scenario or from very close range when the ball has a clear path to goal and there is low to moderate pressure on the shooter. Penalties are always considered big chances.”
https://www.statsperform.com/opta-event-definitions/
& broken down by half…
1st:
ST 10-8
SOT 4-4
SIA 8-7
BC 1-3
2nd:
ST 6-10
SOT 3-3
SIA 4-3
BC 0-01 -
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What strikes me in matches is the number of times a pass goes behind our players and they have to turn to retrieve it. This even happens when we are tapping it about at the back, which they appear to be training for? That is bad enough, but when we are coming forwards, all too often momentum is lost as a player has to check his run and double back.4
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I thought Anderson took his goal really well. Was it also him that had that long range drive from outside the box that forced a good save? it is rare we see a Charlton midfielder pinning those on target.3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6NfM19Byg4
