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Pre, Match & Post (p14) Thread| Plymouth Argyle vs Charlton Athletic (PJ2R)| Tues 22 November 2022
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Just a general observation as didn't see the game:
Cafc seem to have very good academy age groups especially the 16 to 18 age group But then the majority of players appear to stagnate.* I know enough about youth/academy football to understand that is not unique to Charlton. The transition from boys to men's football is a giant leap and Arron Henry appears to be an example of this despite making his 1st team debut when just 16, also Deji who was my tip for bigger and better things along with Mason Burstow from that age group back in 2019/20.
The sad truth is the fact that Kanu and Deji are still at Cafc in the cut throat world of football tells you that their progress has slowed but I still believe both can have good careers as professional footballers.
Daniel Kanu has just turned 18 (November born 2004) so can he take his scoring for fun at every level so far to 1st team men's football ? Goal scorers are like gold dust so I don't see why not but you are only as good as the service you receive when you are in space. Marked closely by a Pearce or Inniss type 3rd tier CB can be a shock after youth football.
I wish everyone of our academy boys good luck as the odds are against 'making it'.
*Aribo and Lookman were older when they joined Charlton, at 18 and 16 respectively.
Lookman's Representatives picked Cafc after being assured he would get an opportunity for 1st team football by 18 if he made quick progress; the rest is history.6 -
genuinely amazed there were 101 fans who travelled down there for that9
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From memory it was Asiimwe who had that shot from outside the boxmattinfinland said:I thought Anderson took his goal really well. Was it also him that had that long range drive from outside the box that forced a good save? it is rare we see a Charlton midfielder pinning those on target.2 -
Is Kanu's goalscoring record any better than Charlie Macdonald or Kevin Lisbie at youth level? Genuine question.soapboxsam said:Just a general observation as didn't see the game:
Cafc seem to have very good academy age groups especially the 16 to 18 age group But then the majority of players appear to stagnant.* I know enough about youth/academy football to understand that is not unique to Charlton. The transition from boys to men's football is a giant leap and Arron Henry appears to be an example of this despite making his 1st team debut when just 16, also Deji who was my tip for bigger and better things along with Mason Burstow from that age group back in 2019/20.
The sad truth is the fact that Kanu and Deji are still at Cafc in the cut throat world of football tells you that their progress has slowed but I still believe both can have good careers as professional footballers.
Daniel Kanu has just turned 18 (November born 2004) so can he take his scoring for fun at every level so far to 1st team men's football ? Goal scorers are like gold dust so I don't see why not but you are only as good as the service you receive when you are in space. Marked closely by a Pearce or Inniss type 3rd tier CB can be a shock after youth football.
I wish everyone of our academy boys good luck as the odds are against 'making it'.
*Aribo and Lookman were older when they joined Charlton, at 18 and 16 respectively.
Lookman's Representatives picked Cafc after being assured he would get an opportunity for 1st team football by 18 if he made quick progress; the rest is history.
Lisbie carved out a career at the highest level, albeit he was anything but prolific once he made the first team.
Charlie Macdonald, meh.
Kanu should get an opportunity to break through whilst we remain at this level but I don't see anything to get hyper excited about.
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This is the goal everyone was crying about , looks onside to me
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Lovely possession football out from the back creates goals
ok for the opposition but 3 goals nonetheless1 -
It’s all about the tee shirt line apparently these days and the forward’s left shoulder looks in front to me but the camera is not square on to the last defender. I reckon VAR would have ruled it offside. Also look at the lino he’s watching the ball so how can he be sure the forward was onside? If in doubt he should have stuck his flag up!oohaahmortimer said:This is the goal everyone was crying about , looks onside to me
That goal aside we’ve gift wrapped them 2 and they gave us 1 my old schoolmaster would have gone ballistic for taking those sort of liberties. These modern tactics do my head in, players at this level especially goalkeepers shouldn’t be putting their fellow defenders under pressure because let’s face it if they could make a decent pass they wouldn’t be in goal! It’s like painting by numbers, use your common and at least mix it up a bit. Rant over!6 -
Reminded me of Burton a couple of years ago - gifting them 2 early goals by our defensive errors.clive said:
But that's the way the manager wants to play - and we scored our first by pressing their defender.
Ho hum.0 -
I thought there was a rule (probably changed for the umpteenth time) that you could only be offside by a part of your body that could legally score, ie....your head, leg, body etc. Not your arm (as was the case in at least one of Argentina's offside goals yesterday).RedChaser said:
It’s all about the tee shirt line apparently these days and the forward’s left shoulder looks in front to me but the camera is not square on to the last defender. I reckon VAR would have ruled it offside. Also look at the lino he’s watching the ball so how can he be sure the forward was onside? If in doubt he should have stuck his flag up!oohaahmortimer said:This is the goal everyone was crying about , looks onside to me 0 -
Wow - the manner we gave them 2 goals without them pressing overly hard.0
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Arm of God?golfaddick said:
I thought there was a rule (probably changed for the umpteenth time) that you could only be offside by a part of your body that could legally score, ie....your head, leg, body etc. Not your arm (as was the case in at least one of Argentina's offside goals yesterday).RedChaser said:
It’s all about the tee shirt line apparently these days and the forward’s left shoulder looks in front to me but the camera is not square on to the last defender. I reckon VAR would have ruled it offside. Also look at the lino he’s watching the ball so how can he be sure the forward was onside? If in doubt he should have stuck his flag up!oohaahmortimer said:This is the goal everyone was crying about , looks onside to me 0 -
If anybody hasn't mentioned this yet can I be the first to say
meh.
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Tee shirt line I assume is the top of the arm that don’t get sunburnt so above that ie the shoulder, which wouldn’t be hand ball 🤷♂️golfaddick said:
I thought there was a rule (probably changed for the umpteenth time) that you could only be offside by a part of your body that could legally score, ie....your head, leg, body etc. Not your arm (as was the case in at least one of Argentina's offside goals yesterday).RedChaser said:
It’s all about the tee shirt line apparently these days and the forward’s left shoulder looks in front to me but the camera is not square on to the last defender. I reckon VAR would have ruled it offside. Also look at the lino he’s watching the ball so how can he be sure the forward was onside? If in doubt he should have stuck his flag up!oohaahmortimer said:This is the goal everyone was crying about , looks onside to me 1 -
those goals 😂clive said:5 -
That 'pass' for Plymouth's second goal is one of the worst I've ever seen , it wasn't even close to a Charlton player ...
appreciate it helped get us out of the competition though
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Agreed I think I might have been a tad harsh on keepers’ passing abilities above, add Centre Backs to that 😉,oohaahmortimer said:That 'pass' for Plymouth's second goal is one of the worst I've ever seen , it wasn't even close to a Charlton player ...
appreciate it helped get us out of the competition though
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It was a pass, he looked like he thought he was passing it to a teammate: why didn’t we wear red?oohaahmortimer said:That 'pass' for Plymouth's second goal is one of the worst I've ever seen , it wasn't even close to a Charlton player ...
appreciate it helped get us out of the competition though
we often seem to make odd decisions at times, seems a tradition.2 -
The only excuse for that is the lad must be colour blind which red on green is the most common. If so sod being at tragic light controlled crossroads with him coming the other way 😰.EugenesAxe said:
It was a pass, he looked like he thought he was passing it to a teammate: why didn’t we wear red?oohaahmortimer said:That 'pass' for Plymouth's second goal is one of the worst I've ever seen , it wasn't even close to a Charlton player ...
appreciate it helped get us out of the competition though
we often seem to make odd decisions at times, seems a tradition.
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I agree. It is a reflection of the fact that our players are not confident enough with the accuracy of their passing to play it in front of the person passed to for fear of it going to the opposition. There is no forward momentum as a result. They are safety first passes. That is why playing Garnerball at 3rd division level is so slow, boring and also dangerous as the receiving player is facing his own goal and vulnerable to attackers dispossessing him from behind-as happened last night with Henry for their 3rd, killing, goal. Copying Man City et al at 3rd division level is just managerial groupthink, not related to the quality of the players. We do it because everybody does it.Algarveaddick said:What strikes me in matches is the number of times a pass goes behind our players and they have to turn to retrieve it. This even happens when we are tapping it about at the back, which they appear to be training for? That is bad enough, but when we are coming forwards, all too often momentum is lost as a player has to check his run and double back.
Inniss gave 3 chances to the opposition like this in a recent game. The only compensating factor is that opposition forwards are generally not good enough to take full advantage. But when they are we lose.6 - Sponsored links:
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Massive frustration with our teams all flow/catching the oppo out of position is lost.Algarveaddick said:What strikes me in matches is the number of times a pass goes behind our players and they have to turn to retrieve it. This even happens when we are tapping it about at the back, which they appear to be training for? That is bad enough, but when we are coming forwards, all too often momentum is lost as a player has to check his run and double back.1 -
Last night was the first time in ages that I had absolutely no interest in a Charlton match. Didn’t e watch and didn’t follow on Twitter or CL0
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That would have actually been understandable but we were in white!RedChaser said:
The only excuse for that is the lad must be colour blind which red on green is the most common. If so sod being at tragic light controlled crossroads with him coming the other way 😰.EugenesAxe said:
It was a pass, he looked like he thought he was passing it to a teammate: why didn’t we wear red?oohaahmortimer said:That 'pass' for Plymouth's second goal is one of the worst I've ever seen , it wasn't even close to a Charlton player ...
appreciate it helped get us out of the competition though
we often seem to make odd decisions at times, seems a tradition.2 -
We will be out of the FA Cup on Saturday too.
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I'm only 45 miles away. I couldn't be arsed to go or pay a tenner.Elthamaddick said:genuinely amazed there were 101 fans who travelled down there for that
Still followed the scores though.0 -
Used to like this competition before the U21 nonsense and now really have no interest. That said, it clearly means a lot to the youngsters who get to make their debut for us and will be a special moment for Kanu and Anderson with their first goals for the first team. Well done to both. Both exciting prospects and I love Anderson's tweet. We are a great club!
As for Mitchell, he will be some player but made a clumsy pass last night. All young players make mistakes.1 -
Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
Is Kanu's goalscoring record any better than Charlie Macdonald or Kevin Lisbie at youth level? Genuine question.soapboxsam said:Just a general observation as didn't see the game:
Cafc seem to have very good academy age groups especially the 16 to 18 age group But then the majority of players appear to stagnant.* I know enough about youth/academy football to understand that is not unique to Charlton. The transition from boys to men's football is a giant leap and Arron Henry appears to be an example of this despite making his 1st team debut when just 16, also Deji who was my tip for bigger and better things along with Mason Burstow from that age group back in 2019/20.
The sad truth is the fact that Kanu and Deji are still at Cafc in the cut throat world of football tells you that their progress has slowed but I still believe both can have good careers as professional footballers.
Daniel Kanu has just turned 18 (November born 2004) so can he take his scoring for fun at every level so far to 1st team men's football ? Goal scorers are like gold dust so I don't see why not but you are only as good as the service you receive when you are in space. Marked closely by a Pearce or Inniss type 3rd tier CB can be a shock after youth football.
I wish everyone of our academy boys good luck as the odds are against 'making it'.
*Aribo and Lookman were older when they joined Charlton, at 18 and 16 respectively.
Lookman's Representatives picked Cafc after being assured he would get an opportunity for 1st team football by 18 if he made quick progress; the rest is history.
Lisbie carved out a career at the highest level, albeit he was anything but prolific once he made the first team.
Charlie Macdonald, meh.
Kanu should get an opportunity to break through whilst we remain at this level but I don't see anything to get hyper excited about.
I think I'm getting cynical in my old age
Good question ?
I can't remember anyone scoring as many as Kanu for the U18 but Paul Walsh was prolific for the youth team back in the day and was elevated to the first team when Daniel Kanu's age.
I'm cynical about the crazy goals given away by the mindless Jeopardy taken by keepers and defenders when pressed by the opposition.
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positives ? .. some youngsters were given a first team run out0
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So many teams get into trouble passing it around their own box, I've seen a few in Serie A even where defending is a science. Feels like Pep dreamt it up to make other teams self-destruct.2
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Look on the bright side: Kanu and Anderson did well to take their goals and Asiimwe is a prospect.7
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