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Jake Forster-Caskey - another ACL injury (p6)

Cardinal Sin
Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
edited April 2024 in General Charlton
Dropped today and not even in the squad. I assume that AFC Wimbledon move we botched on deadline day in the Summer is back on. Shame because he night have made the difference today. Instead we saw the limitations of Jack Payne and the frustrations of Scott Fraser. Bar Dobson, we need stronger central mids than we currently have.
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  • TEL
    TEL Posts: 10,100
    May have been sick, apparently a few were taken ill, Morgan and Thomas being two. 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,269
    Cardinal Sin said:
    Dropped today and not even in the squad. I assume that AFC Wimbledon move we botched on deadline day in the Summer is back on. Shame because he night have made the difference today. Instead we saw the limitations of Jack Payne and the frustrations of Scott Fraser. Bar Dobson, we need stronger central mids than we currently have.
    How did we botch it ? (Not disagreeing just haven't heard that we botched a move. Nothing would surprise me)
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,170
    charltonbob said:
    Cardinal Sin said:
    Dropped today and not even in the squad. I assume that AFC Wimbledon move we botched on deadline day in the Summer is back on. Shame because he night have made the difference today. Instead we saw the limitations of Jack Payne and the frustrations of Scott Fraser. Bar Dobson, we need stronger central mids than we currently have.
    How did we botch it ? (Not disagreeing just haven't heard that we botched a move. Nothing would surprise me)
    Think it was said Dangermouse bodged up the paperwork and missed the transfer deadline , something along those lines 
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,262
    edited December 2022
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    Manic_mania Posts: 2,262
    edited December 2022
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  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,262
    edited December 2022
    player of the year means nothing clearly.. 
    "what have you done for me lately" 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,790
    Cardinal Sin said:
    Dropped today and not even in the squad. I assume that AFC Wimbledon move we botched on deadline day in the Summer is back on. Shame because he night have made the difference today. Instead we saw the limitations of Jack Payne and the frustrations of Scott Fraser. Bar Dobson, we need stronger central mids than we currently have.
    What about his performances off the bench (or starts, eg away at Stockport) so far this season led you to that conclusion?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Cardinal Sin said:
    Dropped today and not even in the squad. I assume that AFC Wimbledon move we botched on deadline day in the Summer is back on. Shame because he night have made the difference today. Instead we saw the limitations of Jack Payne and the frustrations of Scott Fraser. Bar Dobson, we need stronger central mids than we currently have.
    We do love to jump to assumptions. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    edited December 2022
    Manic_mania said:
    player of the year means nothing clearly.. 
    "what have you done for me lately" 
     Well yes, exactly. You're only of use whilst you're performing, if you're not performing you're rightfully dropped and have to re-earn your place. 

    He's not done anything since returning from injury that puts him ahead of Fraser or Dobson. 

    If he's vying with Morgan or Payne for a place in the squad you'd have an argument, but his workrate hasn't even been that good so there's a lot he needs to do to be first, second or third choice as it stands. 
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,169
    I blame it on the boogie!

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  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,410
    We have 3 games this week, every chance he is being rested. 
    I’m still waiting for Fraser to win a tackle in midfield, Morgan is inconsistent, and Payne is nothing special
    JFC doesn’t have a lot to beat to get in the squad. 
  • IanJRO
    IanJRO Posts: 691
    Fraser is a quality player at this level and isn't there to win tackles. Just needs less dross around him. Dobbo is our best player imo and Payne should always be on the bench as an option. 

    If we are looking to make space in the squad, I would be trying to move in JFC who (despite that fabled appearance at left back) is generally a bit style over substance as a midfielder and Albie Morgan who frankly is never going to the player we all wanted him to be for us. 

    Would certainly like a 1st team CM to come in but we need to strengthen in so many areas it's hard to know where to start!


  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,359
    Valiantphil said:
    We have 3 games this week, every chance he is being rested. 
    I’m still waiting for Fraser to win a tackle in midfield, Morgan is inconsistent, and Payne is nothing special
    JFC doesn’t have a lot to beat to get in the squad. 
    If that's the case, JFC should be off to a very good L1 side then, not L2
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,257
    Presumably we have to factor in that Holden got told the same thing re: JFC that Garner did re: his contract and that with each additional game he now plays, it costs TS more money.  
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,269
    oohaahmortimer said:
    charltonbob said:
    Cardinal Sin said:
    Dropped today and not even in the squad. I assume that AFC Wimbledon move we botched on deadline day in the Summer is back on. Shame because he night have made the difference today. Instead we saw the limitations of Jack Payne and the frustrations of Scott Fraser. Bar Dobson, we need stronger central mids than we currently have.
    How did we botch it ? (Not disagreeing just haven't heard that we botched a move. Nothing would surprise me)
    Think it was said Dangermouse bodged up the paperwork and missed the transfer deadline , something along those lines 
    Good grief ............ at least it wasn't a striker coming in !
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,170
    charltonbob said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    charltonbob said:
    Cardinal Sin said:
    Dropped today and not even in the squad. I assume that AFC Wimbledon move we botched on deadline day in the Summer is back on. Shame because he night have made the difference today. Instead we saw the limitations of Jack Payne and the frustrations of Scott Fraser. Bar Dobson, we need stronger central mids than we currently have.
    How did we botch it ? (Not disagreeing just haven't heard that we botched a move. Nothing would surprise me)
    Think it was said Dangermouse bodged up the paperwork and missed the transfer deadline , something along those lines 
    Good grief ............ at least it wasn't a striker coming in !
    You’re correct , it wasn’t a striker it was Macaulay barn door Bonne 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,177
    The Forster-Caskey cycle: Why did we renew his contract? > Doesn't play > he's the best player we have why isn't he playing?? > plays and is average > pLaY HiM aT lEfT bAcK! > Why did we renew his contract?
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,470
    People still putting up JFC as the messiah because he performed against under 21 teams in the cup, surely not? 

    Everytime he played against proper opposition this season he's been as bad as the rest of them. 
  • Jonniesta
    Jonniesta Posts: 1,156
    JFC may not be at his best, but from what I've seen so far both Morgan and McGrandles should be ahead of him at the exit queue. And if Macauley Bonne is the answer, we're asking the wrong question. 
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,180
    SELR_addicks said:
    People still putting up JFC as the messiah because he performed against under 21 teams in the cup, surely not? 

    Everytime he played against proper opposition this season he's been as bad as the rest of them. 
    Probably doesn’t help he only plays about once a month - how can you build up any sort of form and match fitness when you’ve been out for so long and play so little.

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,891
    IanJRO said:
    Fraser is a quality player at this level and isn't there to win tackles. Just needs less dross around him. Dobbo is our best player imo and Payne should always be on the bench as an option. 

    If we are looking to make space in the squad, I would be trying to move in JFC who (despite that fabled appearance at left back) is generally a bit style over substance as a midfielder and Albie Morgan who frankly is never going to the player we all wanted him to be for us. 

    Would certainly like a 1st team CM to come in but we need to strengthen in so many areas it's hard to know where to start!


    No way is Fraser so good that he can get away without doing the defensive side of the game, especially playing in part of a midfield 2.

    Indeed I can't help wondering whether that season at MKD was a bit of a one off
  • Carl_bratton
    Carl_bratton Posts: 68
    Fraser is so one paced, fella drifts through games at the moment without impacting them. Personally think JFC should of had a run as this team and the form has been shocking and Fraser is one of those that has cruised 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    killerandflash said:
    IanJRO said:
    Fraser is a quality player at this level and isn't there to win tackles. Just needs less dross around him. Dobbo is our best player imo and Payne should always be on the bench as an option. 

    If we are looking to make space in the squad, I would be trying to move in JFC who (despite that fabled appearance at left back) is generally a bit style over substance as a midfielder and Albie Morgan who frankly is never going to the player we all wanted him to be for us. 

    Would certainly like a 1st team CM to come in but we need to strengthen in so many areas it's hard to know where to start!


    No way is Fraser so good that he can get away without doing the defensive side of the game, especially playing in part of a midfield 2.

    Indeed I can't help wondering whether that game for MKD was a bit of a one off
    Fixed
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,311
    Frasers problem is often his first touch is heavy and moves break down because the opposition get hold of these loose balls (Kenneth).
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,461
    Valiantphil said:
    We have 3 games this week, every chance he is being rested. 
    I’m still waiting for Fraser to win a tackle in midfield, Morgan is inconsistent, and Payne is nothing special
    JFC doesn’t have a lot to beat to get in the squad. 
    What? You obvs didn’t watch him on Boxing Day then?
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,510
    League one to high for JFC his injuries have caught up with him , can’t influence a game anymore 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,510
    Fraser has been one of our better players this season .. again Saturday he was excellent not only going forward but his defensive work as improved 
  • Treacey1969
    Treacey1969 Posts: 158
    RonnieMoore said:
    Fraser has been one of our better players this season .. again Saturday he was excellent not only going forward but his defensive work as improved 
    You must be joking..........too slow and their corner that led for their goal came from him dallying on the ball and dispossessed. How many assists this season. There is a reason why Ipswich offloaded him............not good enough!
  • Carl_bratton
    Carl_bratton Posts: 68
    No way no way, Fraser should of been pulled off at HT. He was a passenger throughout, gave the ball away at least 3 times in first ten mins, was out of position most of first half giving them all the space down the right against Sess snd lost the ball for the goal. Shocking performance 
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,360
    He needs to take at least 10 with him...

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