January Transfer Window - Jan 2023 (Deadline Day starts page 112)

Dazzler21 said:

Pelling1993 said:

Is there much point in loans at this point? We’re not going down and very doubtful we are going up either. Focusing on preparing our own younger players for next season 

 So send back Rak-Sakyi then?

 Personally we need to aim to finish as high as possible in the league to remain an attractive proposition to young players that could earn their first silverware with us getting promoted next season.

I wouldn't send back the ones we already have I just don't think it’s a good idea to be using 5 loan plays in a game. I think Sess & Kane are outside chances of permanent signings anyway. We are just giving other teams players game time for no real gain. 

Garrymanilow said:

Pelling1993 said:

Is there much point in loans at this point? We’re not going down and very doubtful we are going up either. Focusing on preparing our own younger players for next season 

In many ways loans are the best option for us at the moment. We don't know who's going to be in charge of the club next season or how much money they'll be willing to spend. We don't want to splash out big on players that possible new owners might not want to pay for, nor do we want to give long contracts to players who might be lower down than a new ownership would go for. That's clearly the strategy judging by Bonne's short term deal. Edun is a good example too; it's apparently a loan to buy, which gives flexibility, but if he's injured or not going to be allowed to go out then we'll likely get a different loan in and then go back in for Edun in the summer if he's still a target we want. We're still just one or two injuries away from being in a dark place, filling out squad places is always worth it, even if it's short-term

Yeah I'm a fan of loans. I think it's a way to get in players of a certain quality that you might not otherwise have access. Sometimes you get players who love the club and want to come back (Williams, Leko, Cullen, etc.). And it helps with the budget, having good players but not wanting to pay them everything. 

The difference between Chin or Clayden and Sess or hopefully Edun is massive. Same could be said for JRS compared to Campbell. Or Bonne (who was originally supposed to be loaned) compared to Daniel Kanu. Our players are just not as good now, and I think all of the loan players have more potential for the future. Pelling1993 said:

Dazzler21 said:

Pelling1993 said:

Is there much point in loans at this point? We’re not going down and very doubtful we are going up either. Focusing on preparing our own younger players for next season 

 So send back Rak-Sakyi then?

 Personally we need to aim to finish as high as possible in the league to remain an attractive proposition to young players that could earn their first silverware with us getting promoted next season.

I wouldn't send back the ones we already have I just don't think it’s a good idea to be using 5 loan plays in a game. I think Sess & Kane are outside chances of permanent signings anyway. We are just giving other teams players game time for no real gain. 

The gain is us winning games. You also risk burning out your young players if you overexpose them to the rigors of League One. Burstow last season is a good example, looked good in cameos, but when asked to play week in, week out, he just wasn't ready. We've seen that with Chin and Clayden this year. Kanu had one decent game but isn't ready to play week in, week out. If you give them too much, too young you risk destroying their confidence and hindering their development. 

Worst case scenario is if Clare goes on a brilliant run of form, or Egbo comes back and is excellent, you can just not play Kane. But Kane looks like our best "fit" RB at the moment, and again, there is a chance of signing him at the end of the year.

SELR_addicks said:

WHAT DO OUR SCOUTS DO FOR A LIVING??????

Burstow pops up from the black box now ffs. 

Sit in the directors box in initialled tracksuits for almost all our games, hardly surprising...

Exiled_Addick said:

Can't say I see a need to consider resigning him now we have Bonne, but anyone know how young Mason has been getting on at Chelsea? Personally, I thought that was an over promotion for him based on his performances for us but would be interested to know if he's actually standing out in their academy or not.

Four goals and four assists in PL2. One goal in four Pizza Trophy games. 

That's not a bad return in the U-21s. Based purely on those numbers alone, you can understand why Chelsea feel he might be ready for another loan.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/mason-burstow/profil/spieler/874080

That being said, I don't know that he is what we need. I don't know that he'd get much gametime here. Even if we move Stockley on this window, I'm not convinced that Burstow can play up front on his own. I feel like he played as a wide attacker for our U-23s, so maybe looking to use him wide left cutting in and running in behind would be a potential use? It's not one that makes a lot of sense apart from "we need bodies" and "we know him."

I wouldn't worry about it. Lazy journalism. Easy to just link us to all our old waif & strays. 

Garrymanilow said:

SELR_addicks said:

WHAT DO OUR SCOUTS DO FOR A LIVING??????

Burstow pops up from the black box now ffs. 

Giving quiiiiiite a lot of credence to some rando Chelsea podcast there. Do we know if this is actually true?

Unless Leaburn or JRS are going, I cannot see us signing Burstow. Chelsea will want him to be playing games and unless we are about to change system or he is willing to play wide, I don't see how he gets in, unless he has improved enormously.  

Think Burstow should go to Oxford. Would much rather have Jack Marriott. 

MuttleyCAFC said:

Burstow may have improved, he had potential, but based on last season, I hope not. He was far too easy to defend against. It actually looked to me like he was marking the defenders at times. Leaburn battles with them which makes a massive difference. 

I think we pulled Chelsea's pant down with that one. My biggest disapointent, and I said it at the time, was that we loaned him back and didn't try to get an oven ready striker back.

If there is any substance to this it can only men Leaburn leaving.

We've needed our own, proper left back for about 5 years!   Nobody seems to listen!

I know of a left back we have been monitoring - a proper left back.

I've always said a decent Left Back is so hard to find.  Firstly there are relatively few left footed players and secondly it's hard to find a player who loves to defend as a priority.  Finding a good one is really difficult.  Powell, Minto, Wiggins to name a few but they were proper left-backs.  Throw in the fact nowadays they need to be able to attack as well and it's become a difficult role to fill.
That's why I loved Wiggins.  He was quick, had a trick or two up his sleeve and he seemed to refuse to let a cross into the box.  Such a shame he got so many niggles

We have been looking for a left back since summer but don't appear to have found the right one just yet - but the club have been looking.  It doesn't help that you look for a player to fulfil a role and then the club changes manager and therefore what they are looking for.  I hope we get one over the lin e soon though as I firmly believe we are still in the playoff race if we can put a bit more of a run together

Swisdom said:

I know of a left back we have been monitoring - a proper left back.

I've always said a decent Left Back is so hard to find.  Firstly there are relatively few left footed players and secondly it's hard to find a player who loves to defend as a priority.  Finding a good one is really difficult.  Powell, Minto, Wiggins to name a few but they were proper left-backs.  Throw in the fact nowadays they need to be able to attack as well and it's become a difficult role to fill.
That's why I loved Wiggins.  He was quick, had a trick or two up his sleeve and he seemed to refuse to let a cross into the box.  Such a shame he got so many niggles

We have been looking for a left back since summer but don't appear to have found the right one just yet - but the club have been looking.  It doesn't help that you look for a player to fulfil a role and then the club changes manager and therefore what they are looking for.  I hope we get one over the lin e soon though as I firmly believe we are still in the playoff race if we can put a bit more of a run together

We used to have a production line of left backs, but it seems to have completely dried up in recent years.

Minto, Stugess, Stuart, Konchesky, Fox, Holmes-Dennis

Southbank said:

redbuttle said:

Hal1x said:

Southbank said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Burstow may have improved, he had potential, but based on last season, I hope not. He was far too easy to defend against. It actually looked to me like he was marking the defenders at times. Leaburn battles with them which makes a massive difference. 

I think we pulled Chelsea's pant down with that one. My biggest disapointent, and I said it at the time, was that we loaned him back and didn't try to get an oven ready striker back.

If there is any substance to this it can only men Leaburn leaving.

Sadly I think you are right.

What about Stockley perhaps he's 

leaving.

Very much doubt Chelsea would loan him out unless they expected him to play, not sit on the bench.

Which is why he isn't coming here. Even if we sold Leaburn, Burstow isn't beating Bonne and Stockley into the starting 11 regularly enough for Chelsea's liking. If Burstow does go out on loan, and I share the opinion of others on here that we won't until at least the summer, then it'll be to L2 or below, where he's guaranteed playing time.

This is just a story made up by a Chelsea podcast and I can't people are taking it seriously and then getting their knickers in a twist about how we then "have" to sell to get Burstow in the team.