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The Germans didn't put Hitler into power though democratic means. .ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
If you think the language of our Government resembles Mein Kampf well....I cant really explain that to you.
Your analogy is as much nonsense as suggesting a Corbyn vctory in the 2019 election would have resulted in Gulags up north and the purging of the Milliband brothers..
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He's done tweets criticising Labour in the past as well.The_Organiser said:That’s exactly my point SHG, people here are saying GL only said the language was the same, yes? But imo the implications of GL saying that actually mean much more for the exact reasons you state above. And I think by implying that is where this govt is heading is quite frankly ridiculous, insensitive and irresponsible. In my opinion.
I do however believe he should be free to state his opinions, even if I disagree with them.
But equally, I’m pretty certain that if GL had been speaking from a right wing perspective that the same people on here would have been calling for his head.
Wasn't suspended for them though.8 -
You're not seriously suggesting that he said it unaware of what parallels readers would draw from it are you?SELR_addicks said:
We're now in thought-police territory.The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.3 -
By November 1932 the Nazi’s held the most seats in the Reichstag. In January 1933 Hitler was made Chancellor in a coalition, in much the same way that David Cameron first became Prime Minister here.SporadicAddick said:
The Germans didn't put Hitler into power though democratic means. .ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
If you think the language of our Government resembles Mein Kampf well....I cant really explain that to you.
Your analogy is as much nonsense as suggesting a Corbyn vctory in the 2019 election would have resulted in Gulags up north and the purging of the Milliband brothers..
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I know our government hasn’t been successful (because it’s illegal) but it’s worth reading about what’s happened to refugees from other countries that have ended up in these detention centres in Rwanda as well. Horrific.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.2 -
So you agree the Germans didn’t put Hitler into power by democratic means?Gary Poole said:
By November 1932 the Nazi’s held the most seats in the Reichstag. In January 1933 Hitler was made Chancellor in a coalition, in much the same way that David Cameron first became Prime Minister here.SporadicAddick said:
The Germans didn't put Hitler into power though democratic means. .ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
If you think the language of our Government resembles Mein Kampf well....I cant really explain that to you.
Your analogy is as much nonsense as suggesting a Corbyn vctory in the 2019 election would have resulted in Gulags up north and the purging of the Milliband brothers..
I can’t recall Cameron arranging a fire at Parliament.1 -
So who should have been Chancellor when the Nazi’s held the most seats won democratically?SporadicAddick said:
So you agree the Germans didn’t put Hitler into power by democratic means?Gary Poole said:
By November 1932 the Nazi’s held the most seats in the Reichstag. In January 1933 Hitler was made Chancellor in a coalition, in much the same way that David Cameron first became Prime Minister here.SporadicAddick said:
The Germans didn't put Hitler into power though democratic means. .ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
If you think the language of our Government resembles Mein Kampf well....I cant really explain that to you.
Your analogy is as much nonsense as suggesting a Corbyn vctory in the 2019 election would have resulted in Gulags up north and the purging of the Milliband brothers..
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If anyone thinks that the language is all that different, you are wrong. And there are people who do actually think this way, and are the targets of such language.8 -
The fire wasn’t how he came to power, it was how he made his power absolute.SporadicAddick said:
So you agree the Germans didn’t put Hitler into power by democratic means?Gary Poole said:
By November 1932 the Nazi’s held the most seats in the Reichstag. In January 1933 Hitler was made Chancellor in a coalition, in much the same way that David Cameron first became Prime Minister here.SporadicAddick said:
The Germans didn't put Hitler into power though democratic means. .ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
If you think the language of our Government resembles Mein Kampf well....I cant really explain that to you.
Your analogy is as much nonsense as suggesting a Corbyn vctory in the 2019 election would have resulted in Gulags up north and the purging of the Milliband brothers..
I can’t recall Cameron arranging a fire at Parliament.8 -
Statue outside the BBC
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You’re the one taking this to level that’s never been suggested. But it wasn’t a coup that put Hitler as Chancellor. In fact an attempt put him in prison. It was years of growth of right wing politics fuelled by hate speech and demonising an innocent minority. Nobody in their right mind is suggesting that the U.K. is headed towards anything like Nazi Germany. That doesn’t mean that what we are seeing isn’t a demonising of a minority out of all proportion to reality. Removal of that minorities rights without right of appeal and removal from our borders without any process. Add the attempted shutting down of free speech and rights to protest for all of us. This does have similarities to what went on in Germany in the 1930s. I think you need to be pretty obtuse to not see anything there.SporadicAddick said:
So you agree the Germans didn’t put Hitler into power by democratic means?Gary Poole said:
By November 1932 the Nazi’s held the most seats in the Reichstag. In January 1933 Hitler was made Chancellor in a coalition, in much the same way that David Cameron first became Prime Minister here.SporadicAddick said:
The Germans didn't put Hitler into power though democratic means. .ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
If you think the language of our Government resembles Mein Kampf well....I cant really explain that to you.
Your analogy is as much nonsense as suggesting a Corbyn vctory in the 2019 election would have resulted in Gulags up north and the purging of the Milliband brothers..
I can’t recall Cameron arranging a fire at Parliament.18 -
swordfish said:
You're not seriously suggesting that he said it unaware of what parallels readers would draw from it are you?SELR_addicks said:
We're now in thought-police territory.The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
All the talk of 'we know what he was implying' and the outrage that he compared what is happening in the UK with the Holocaust (which he wasn't) is, with all due respect (and we all know what that euphemism means), completely conflating two issues. He wasn't suspended by the BBC for using insensitive language, he was suspended for allegedly breaching BBC rules on impartiality because he had the temerity as a private citizen, and not in his capacity as the MOTD presenter, to be critical of Government policy.
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Spot the difference. Lineker is a freelancer too. Lineker did not express or tweet his views when on air.
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Several posts on here have conflated the issues and I'm merely responding to one. I gave my opinion on how the BBC have treated him for his impartiality earlier, namely that unless it was a breach of his contract terms, his treatment has been heavy handed.bobmunro said:swordfish said:
You're not seriously suggesting that he said it unaware of what parallels readers would draw from it are you?SELR_addicks said:
We're now in thought-police territory.The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
All the talk of 'we know what he was implying' and the outrage that he compared what is happening in the UK with the Holocaust (which he wasn't) is, with all due respect (and we all know what that euphemism means), completely conflating two issues. He wasn't suspended by the BBC for using insensitive language, he was suspended for allegedly breaching BBC rules on impartiality because he had the temerity as a private citizen, and not in his capacity as the MOTD presenter, to be critical of Government policy.0 -
swordfish said:
Several posts on here have conflated the issues and I'm merely responding to one. I gave my opinion on how the BBC have treated him for his impartiality earlier, namely that unless it was a breach of his contract terms, his treatment has been heavy handed.bobmunro said:swordfish said:
You're not seriously suggesting that he said it unaware of what parallels readers would draw from it are you?SELR_addicks said:
We're now in thought-police territory.The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
All the talk of 'we know what he was implying' and the outrage that he compared what is happening in the UK with the Holocaust (which he wasn't) is, with all due respect (and we all know what that euphemism means), completely conflating two issues. He wasn't suspended by the BBC for using insensitive language, he was suspended for allegedly breaching BBC rules on impartiality because he had the temerity as a private citizen, and not in his capacity as the MOTD presenter, to be critical of Government policy.
It was an observation, not a criticism
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That a moderate right wing Tory Government is the same as the Nazi Party and that 1930s Germany is the same as 2020s Britain, and that trying to stop people drowning in the Channel is the same as the industrial slaughter of millions.ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
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Right wing this Government is, moderate it isn't.Southbank said:
That a moderate right wing Tory Government is the same as the Nazi Party and that 1930s Germany is the same as 2020s Britain, and that trying to stop people drowning in the Channel is the same as the industrial slaughter of millions.ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
Otherwise...
They could open up safe legal routes to stop people drowning.20 -
Sporadic, it's not the analogies that are the problem it's the reasons as to the censoring of dissent. I'm not a fan of Lineker, find him a bit boring to be honest, but I think within reason, people should be able to have an opinion. I can't stand Farage or Johnson but it's up to the public to accept or not accept their point of view and I would not censor either of those individuals simply because I disagreed with their version of events. I agree with Shooters and Lineker, the comparison they make between Hitler and the Tory government should not be lost. This is the most right wing of governments and we already have had them lying to not only the Queen but to Parliament, Sunak spares no time in accusing people of being leftie lawyers and wants to leave the European court of human rights, this should tell you everything you need to know, Hitler did exactly the same, by locking up lawyers and in some cases making them disappear, an attack on the law is the first movement towards a totalitarian state.SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.11 -
Leap to what you want to see which bears no resemblance to what I’ve said.Southbank said:
That a moderate right wing Tory Government is the same as the Nazi Party and that 1930s Germany is the same as 2020s Britain, and that trying to stop people drowning in the Channel is the same as the industrial slaughter of millions.ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
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Labour Tory all cnuts.Illegal crossings across the channel need some sort of control, maybe will be different if you live in the areas affected you would think differently.4
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By ‘areas’ do you mean Germany?palarsehater said:Labour Tory all cnuts.Illegal crossings across the channel need some sort of control, maybe will be different if you live in the areas affected you would think differently.2 -
Of course!Southbank said:
That a moderate right wing Tory Government is the same as the Nazi Party and that 1930s Germany is the same as 2020s Britain, and that trying to stop people drowning in the Channel is the same as the industrial slaughter of millions.ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
Otherwise...
The “ moderate “government’s policies are motivated by a desire to stop them drowning in the Channel.
Sending them to Rwanda is the government giving them a free holiday in the sun.
That’s what they mean by “Swamping”.
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No I mean my aunts neighbour in broadstairs, who awoke to find an illegal migrant in her kitchen demanding a lift to manchester.The Red Robin said:
By ‘areas’ do you mean Germany?palarsehater said:Labour Tory all cnuts.Illegal crossings across the channel need some sort of control, maybe will be different if you live in the areas affected you would think differently.1 -
Thanks for the patronising post but how would you know? Unless you’re still illegally downloading BBC IPlayer?PragueAddick said:
If you’d bothered to read back on this thread before diving in you’d know the answer to this and other points you made in your post. My personal “favourite” is Andrew Neil.stop_shouting said:
Wtf you going on about. Why is a tweet by sugar relevant to what the issue at hand is here?Algarveaddick said:
Sorry to bring up a repeat... If he breached the rules, then so did this chap.stop_shouting said:The beeb gotta take a stand here. If lineker has breached impartiality rules then they have to take action. Likewise, with the presenters that have essentially gone on strike in support of him. Surely that’s breach of contract in anyone’s world. By downing tools, they’ve completely screwed up the beebs programming schedule for the indefinite future. As a licence payer, I’d be very annoyed if they let them get away with it.
As for going on strike? Have the tories actually made the right to protest by witholding your labour illegal yet?
I know they would like to.0 -
As somebody with a Jewish family, anytime anybody compares anybody to the Nazis I would ask them to have a proper think about what they are saying. And please don't use the unique evil of the Holocaust to win your relatively petty political arguments.ShootersHillGuru said:
Leap to what you want to see which bears no resemblance to what I’ve said.Southbank said:
That a moderate right wing Tory Government is the same as the Nazi Party and that 1930s Germany is the same as 2020s Britain, and that trying to stop people drowning in the Channel is the same as the industrial slaughter of millions.ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
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Said it before but could Lineker be a victim of Godwin's Law?0
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I’m 25% Jewish. My grandfather. His parents born in Lithuania. Their families eradicated in the holocaust.Southbank said:
As somebody with a Jewish family, anytime anybody compares anybody to the Nazis I would ask them to have a proper think about what they are saying. And please don't use the unique evil of the Holocaust to win your relatively petty political arguments.ShootersHillGuru said:
Leap to what you want to see which bears no resemblance to what I’ve said.Southbank said:
That a moderate right wing Tory Government is the same as the Nazi Party and that 1930s Germany is the same as 2020s Britain, and that trying to stop people drowning in the Channel is the same as the industrial slaughter of millions.ShootersHillGuru said:
Which analogy is wrong ?SporadicAddick said:
There's only so far you can stretch historical analogies, and I fear this is a step too far.ShootersHillGuru said:
How do you think Hitler persuaded the Germans to put him into power. He employed hate speech and the demonising of a minority. If you cannot see any similarities between the language Hitler employed and what people like our Home Secretary are using then you need to look a little closer. Language is how it started, followed by removal of human rights. Ring any bells ? Resettlement to the east ! What direction is Rwanda ?The_Organiser said:
Personally I think GL knew exactly what that implied. As we all know what followed the language in Germany.ShootersHillGuru said:
He didn’t make that comparison. He said some of the language used is not dissimilar.cfgs said:Not getting in to the whole debate about the BBC, etc but MOTD without the punditry means more football, which is good.
I will however say that if Mr Lineker knew anything about the rise of Hitler and his mob he wouldn't make the comparison. He owes an apology not to the government but to the memory of all those who suffered at the hands of the Third Reich.
Otherwise...2 -
palarsehater said:Labour Tory all cnuts.Illegal crossings across the channel need some sort of control, maybe will be different if you live in the areas affected you would think differently.
I am not aware that anyone on this thread, any other thread, or any other source you care to mention, want the boats to continue.
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