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That Titanic submersible
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I have spent my whole adult life, doing risky stupid things, I can say there a few times where it could have gone differently. But I went through training and am well aware of the risks, which all the benefits of an action are weighed against. This strikes me as people not comprehending the risks, believing the briefing was a standard thing and not really relevant, I doubt any parent would take their child otherwise. Risk is everywhere, but you can only assess it if you understand it. It doesn't matter how rich these people were, they were loved and will be missed. RIP
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There is no difference, they are both mad bastards walking the walk. The balls on the man with the xbox controller and the tin can getting in that thing and daring to be different.
Elon Musk is doing his thing but anyone who does something for the first time deserves respect, the insane self-confidence and belief they need not to mention a colossal amount of engineering capability and a dream to dare.
Anyone can say he should have done this or that but we are all experts after the event.
Rest in peace all of them, and the legend who has been lost trying to swim the channel. All pioneers with balls of steel8 -
Been a few grim deaths in the oceans recently. Man eaten by a shark the other week, swimmer in the channel and now this. Rip to all0
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If it catastrophically imploded would the sound from that event not have been captured by the acoustic detectors that are used throughout our oceans?1
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Plus presumably a lot of people getting ill from the water companies punping s**t out into whatever body of water they can.SamB09 said:Been a few grim deaths in the oceans recently. Man eaten by a shark the other week, swimmer in the channel and now this. Rip to all
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Its all well and good "daring to be different", more questionable when your actions take four others with you. Balls of steel, or reckless maniac?Carter said:There is no difference, they are both mad bastards walking the walk. The balls on the man with the xbox controller and the tin can getting in that thing and daring to be different.
Elon Musk is doing his thing but anyone who does something for the first time deserves respect, the insane self-confidence and belief they need not to mention a colossal amount of engineering capability and a dream to dare.
Anyone can say he should have done this or that but we are all experts after the event.
Rest in peace all of them, and the legend who has been lost trying to swim the channel. All pioneers with balls of steel2 -
We know almost dick all about the ocean tbh1
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AndDizzle said:
Don’t forget the Bournemouth rip tide thing too. The sea is a scary place.SamB09 said:Been a few grim deaths in the oceans recently. Man eaten by a shark the other week, swimmer in the channel and now this. Rip to all
1000+ migrants too, most of those people just wanted a better life.3 -
The sea fascinates and terrifies me in equal measure. We know less about the bottom of the deepest parts of our oceans than we do about the far reaches of outer space.sam3110 said:We know almost dick all about the ocean tbh
My wife's cousin was in the Australian navy. Their boat was parked over the Marianas Trench and a load of them went for a swim in the sea. He said it freaked him out knowing there was 7 miles of water below him. I couldn't have done that.6 - Sponsored links:
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Depending on the depth and exact location , not necessarily. Or even if it did, it may not be/have been clear that's what it was.Oakster2 said:If it catastrophically imploded would the sound from that event not have been captured by the acoustic detectors that are used throughout our oceans?
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No way did he drag anyone with him. I cant pretend to be an expert on all things submersible but I do know there is a reason human ghoulish interest hasn't seen people raiding the wreck of the titanic and if someone offered me the opportunity to go in a craft that could take me down there, I would absolutely, definitely decline. The thought of being that deep under the ocean or underground makes me feel physically sick. I know the deeper you go in the ocean the greater the pressure on you and the vessel you are in, I know submarines do not dive to anything like that depth because they would be crushed by the pressure. The people on the boat didn't have knives held to their throat, they wanted the experience of seeing the wreck possibly the most famous shipwreck in history.Hal1x said:
Its all well and good "daring to be different", more questionable when your actions take four others with you. Balls of steel, or reckless maniac?Carter said:There is no difference, they are both mad bastards walking the walk. The balls on the man with the xbox controller and the tin can getting in that thing and daring to be different.
Elon Musk is doing his thing but anyone who does something for the first time deserves respect, the insane self-confidence and belief they need not to mention a colossal amount of engineering capability and a dream to dare.
Anyone can say he should have done this or that but we are all experts after the event.
Rest in peace all of them, and the legend who has been lost trying to swim the channel. All pioneers with balls of steel0 -
People do mad shit all the time I’ll never get my head around whether that be a going down in a tin can, climbing buildings, bungee jumping or the Isle of Man TT. Some people are just built different.2
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sorry posting without reading a lot of comments so apologies if it has been covered; the Titanic was the tragedy of humanity the like of which has only occurred a handful of times in our history - this isn't, wasn't, and never will be a tourist destination, don't give a fuck how much money you have. The phrase "let sleeping dogs lie" is very apt to me. I always thought it was a bit morbid to go there in the first place - there is nothing new to learn by going there.
I hope now the souls that were lost in that tragedy and the souls that were lost in this un-needed and unrequired expedition finally puts a full stop onto this kind of example of human hubris.
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Just posted on The Guardian websiteOakster2 said:If it catastrophically imploded would the sound from that event not have been captured by the acoustic detectors that are used throughout our oceans?The Wall Street Journal reports that a “top secret US navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission”.”
The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a US defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the US system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, US defense officials said.
“The US Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior US Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”
The Navy asked that the specific system used not be named, citing national security concerns.
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If they knew that why they flying specialist technology in from miles away at ridiculous costs?1
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To give false hope to families and shareholders etc it seems, for some bizarre reasonValleyGary said:If they knew that why they flying specialist technology in from miles away at ridiculous costs?0 -
Doesn’t make sense to just openly release that info now with the backlash that will follow. All very weird.sam3110 said:
To give false hope to families and shareholders etc it seems, for some bizarre reasonValleyGary said:If they knew that why they flying specialist technology in from miles away at ridiculous costs?0 -
Why would he put his son in there knowing he'd been a bit slapdash in terms of safety?? Apparently he once fired an employee on the spot for not greenlighting a dive... RIP to all innocents
I don't think I'd ever get in something under that pressure, because it's all or nothing the whole time. You can only plan ahead. To put it bluntly, you never get a partial implosion, and you have 0 control. At least in a plane accident, you have some slight control over what's happening. It's like caving, you're either stuck or not stuck, you're never half stuck; I could never do it.
If it's any help to anyone, they wouldn't even know something was wrong, no clue at all. The implosion at that depth takes far less than a second, so there's no pain or anything. Faster than sound can travel either. Microseconds between all smiles and all over. Definitely the nicest way to go out of all the options (running out of oxygen or boiling on the surface).
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He promoted a service that had high risk, using unsafe equipment, no one said he dragged anyone along, but it was his actions and his submarine that caused others to die.Carter said:
No way did he drag anyone with him. I cant pretend to be an expert on all things submersible but I do know there is a reason human ghoulish interest hasn't seen people raiding the wreck of the titanic and if someone offered me the opportunity to go in a craft that could take me down there, I would absolutely, definitely decline. The thought of being that deep under the ocean or underground makes me feel physically sick. I know the deeper you go in the ocean the greater the pressure on you and the vessel you are in, I know submarines do not dive to anything like that depth because they would be crushed by the pressure. The people on the boat didn't have knives held to their throat, they wanted the experience of seeing the wreck possibly the most famous shipwreck in history.Hal1x said:
Its all well and good "daring to be different", more questionable when your actions take four others with you. Balls of steel, or reckless maniac?Carter said:There is no difference, they are both mad bastards walking the walk. The balls on the man with the xbox controller and the tin can getting in that thing and daring to be different.
Elon Musk is doing his thing but anyone who does something for the first time deserves respect, the insane self-confidence and belief they need not to mention a colossal amount of engineering capability and a dream to dare.
Anyone can say he should have done this or that but we are all experts after the event.
Rest in peace all of them, and the legend who has been lost trying to swim the channel. All pioneers with balls of steel1 - Sponsored links:
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Oh come on, nobody could say they didn't realise how dangerous something like this is/was. Like I say, I cant pretend to be an expert on submersible passenger travel bhtbehrn something0
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The first space trips were mental, this is more like that and it didn't need to be.Carter said:There is no difference, they are both mad bastards walking the walk. The balls on the man with the xbox controller and the tin can getting in that thing and daring to be different.
Elon Musk is doing his thing but anyone who does something for the first time deserves respect, the insane self-confidence and belief they need not to mention a colossal amount of engineering capability and a dream to dare.
Anyone can say he should have done this or that but we are all experts after the event.
Rest in peace all of them, and the legend who has been lost trying to swim the channel. All pioneers with balls of steel0 -
The US navy enemy submarine detection system picked this up the explosion on Sunday apparently.meldrew66 said:
Really, really sad. What was the ‘banging every 30 minutes’ all about then if the vessel imploded days ago? They were adamant that it was a human action aimed at drawing attention to the craft. RIP guys.cafcnick1992 said:
Well I suspect it blew up 4 days ago. I'd be interested in knowing how many dives that craft had been on and whether the body had just fatigued from the pressure stress after multiple dives.sam3110 said:3 things happened
1) it's on the surface and bobbing about in need of finding
2) it got lodged deep down and the people onboard have now suffocated
3) the pressure got too much after that amount of time under water and the entire thing imploded and is now scattered across the seabed near The Titanic
More than likely it's number 3 from the most up to date reportsEdit. Just read 10 posts on this.....opps0 -
So that other countries don't know or learn anything about the American defence system?ValleyGary said:
Doesn’t make sense to just openly release that info now with the backlash that will follow. All very weird.sam3110 said:
To give false hope to families and shareholders etc it seems, for some bizarre reasonValleyGary said:If they knew that why they flying specialist technology in from miles away at ridiculous costs?1 -
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There we have it, literally excuses for what happened, tragic and avoidable.0
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Concur sadly felt it had imploded earlier this week. Sad RIP....0
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Sounds like that was the case, but for some reason wasn't reported.Oakster2 said:If it catastrophically imploded would the sound from that event not have been captured by the acoustic detectors that are used throughout our oceans?
It feels strange that they picked up this sound, experts think would be the implosion, but then we spent days fixated on another sound later on hoping that it shows they were all alive.
The fact that it took so long to find the debris, when it was pretty much where you thought it would be, shows the risks and depths that are being talked about.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65994405
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James Cameron was on the radio when I was driving in this morning. He had been told of the sound detected on Sunday that occurred at about the time all contact was lost. He also added that the sonar blip mechanism was separately battery powered whereas the comms were powered from a generator - to lose both at the same time meant there was only one explanation and that as soon as they could get a ROV down there they would find the debris in minutes, directly below the point (3000m) when contact was lost.
It is highly likely they died instantly without any warning, and there is some small solace in that.
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The banging noises a few days ago gave everyone hope but appears they were never alive in the first place. As others have said, at least they died via the easier route rather than counting down the hours.
RIP1
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