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That Titanic submersible

cabblescabbles
in Not Sports Related
Couldn’t see a thread on this.  Terrible for those people on board, I hope they are able to rescue them.  as much as people have an interest in certain things, and the money to pay for it, I find it simply insane people would put themselves in that situation 
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    DamoNorthStandDamoNorthStand
    It’s a tragic case and at that depth and pressure it is effectively an impossible scenario to launch a rescue. Even if they are found in the next 40 hours.

    the best hope is that they are in the surface somewhere. The sub can manually jettison ballast even in event of total loss of power to float back to the surface. The fact they haven’t suggests they either can’t due to being stuck or suffered a catastrophic failure. 
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    JaShea99JaShea99
    I can’t see a happy ending to this one.
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    cabblescabbles
    DamoNorthStand said:
    It’s a tragic case and at that depth and pressure it is effectively an impossible scenario to launch a rescue. Even if they are found in the next 40 hours.

    the best hope is that they are in the surface somewhere. The sub can manually jettison ballast even in event of total loss of power to float back to the surface. The fact they haven’t suggests they either can’t due to being stuck or suffered a catastrophic failure. 
    It’s inconceivable to imagine the pressure down there.  One of the Brian Cox episodes in one of his series (can’t remember which one) gave a good depiction when he took an empty water bottle with him very high up a mountain and showed what it looked like as it descended with the air pressure, starting to contract.  




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    Manic_maniaManic_mania
    edited June 2023
    the draw and mystique of the Titanic I can see as a strong pull for the individuals who can afford to see it. It's not really that different to the draw of going to space really is it? The risks certainly are

    Fingers crossed all are ok.
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    GribboGribbo
    Reports that banging noises have been picked up. 
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    DamoNorthStandDamoNorthStand
    Hearing about the tapping makes this potentially even more terrifying. Being trapped miles under water in the cold and dark. I can’t even imagine what’s going through their minds. 
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    GribboGribbo
    DamoNorthStand said:
    Hearing about the tapping makes this potentially even more terrifying. Being trapped miles under water in the cold and dark. I can’t even imagine what’s going through their minds. 
    Was thinking the same. Think I'd sooner it implode and it to be over instantly, than days stuck in it waiting for the inevitable. Fingers crossed, but hearing noises will mean nothing if they can't get an exact location and effect a rescue in the next 24 hours
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    ElthamaddickElthamaddick
    really hope they can be found and rescued, but my sympathy levels for people this stupid to go down there are in pretty short supply
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    Hal1xHal1x
    I cant understand how, what seems such a ramshackle outfit can operate something so dangerous as this, and that people would pay such a ridiculous price. I read that another Brit was booked to go on this trip, but cancelled when he saw that scaffolding poles were used for ballast, and that a games controller was used to control it.

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    GribboGribbo
    You wonder who'd spend the best part of £200k to spend 8 hours in a small tube, listening to others answer the call of nature behind a curtain, only to then take it in turns to look through small porthole at the rusted wreck of the Titanic. Sooner save the money, avoid the risk and watch it on a TV screen myself.

    All that said and as above. Really hope they're rescued
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    ShootersHillGuruShootersHillGuru
    Those people must be terrified. Hope this ends well. 
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    CafcWestCafcWest
    Hal1x said:
    I cant understand how, what seems such a ramshackle outfit can operate something so dangerous as this, and that people would pay such a ridiculous price. I read that another Brit was booked to go on this trip, but cancelled when he saw that scaffolding poles were used for ballast, and that a games controller was used to control it.

    Completely agree.  The sub hasn't been approved by any sort of regulatory body (even if one exists).  I read that the "passengers" had to sign a disclaimer that even mentioned potential death...
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    GribboGribbo
    Not sure if there's an obvious reason why they haven't, but surely they should've had some sort of device that gives off a rough, or even exact location? If the Canadian Navy can detect banging underwater, would've though purpose made transmitters / receivers would go somewhere near making it possible? Reckon going off into the abyss, completely untraceable is another huge question mark
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    GribboGribbo
    cafctom said:
    Gribbo said:
    You wonder who'd spend the best part of £200k to spend 8 hours in a small tube, listening to others answer the call of nature behind a curtain, only to then take it in turns to look through small porthole at the rusted wreck of the Titanic. Sooner save the money, avoid the risk and watch it on a TV screen myself.

    All that said and as above. Really hope they're rescued
    Like many activities of the type - it’s so they can say that they did it, rather than the actual enjoyment of doing it.
    Yeah I do understand it, but given the cost + risk = a glimpse through a tiny porthole, I personally can't level it with other "dangerous" experiences like going up Everest for example. But then I'm the same with space tourism and even going up in a hot air balloon lol
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    thenewbiethenewbie
    Gribbo said:
    Not sure if there's an obvious reason why they haven't, but surely they should've had some sort of device that gives off a rough, or even exact location? If the Canadian Navy can detect banging underwater, would've though purpose made transmitters / receivers would go somewhere near making it possible? Reckon going off into the abyss, completely untraceable is another huge question mark
    Absolutely, and that's why planes, boats etc all DO have transmitters etc and can be tracked nearly instantaneously 99.99% of the time. But because this is a non regulated, private exercise no-one exists to tell them they HAVE to put tracking in and whether through arrogance, cost cutting or just plain lack of thought they didn't do it, it may very well have cost lives.

    If there's any positive to be found its that any future such expeditions etc will be much more closely watched/regulated
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    ShootersHillGuruShootersHillGuru
    Gribbo said:
    cafctom said:
    Gribbo said:
    You wonder who'd spend the best part of £200k to spend 8 hours in a small tube, listening to others answer the call of nature behind a curtain, only to then take it in turns to look through small porthole at the rusted wreck of the Titanic. Sooner save the money, avoid the risk and watch it on a TV screen myself.

    All that said and as above. Really hope they're rescued
    Like many activities of the type - it’s so they can say that they did it, rather than the actual enjoyment of doing it.
    Yeah I do understand it, but given the cost + risk = a glimpse through a tiny porthole, I personally can't level it with other "dangerous" experiences like going up Everest for example. But then I'm the same with space tourism and even going up in a hot air balloon lol
    Agree but at least hot air balloons are a very long established form of transport. Deep sea submersibles are still really cutting edge stuff. Not something I’d do if you paid me never mind paying for. 
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    DizzleDizzle
    Has anyone tried to get hold of Aquaman? Surely he can help
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    GribboGribbo
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Gribbo said:
    cafctom said:
    Gribbo said:
    You wonder who'd spend the best part of £200k to spend 8 hours in a small tube, listening to others answer the call of nature behind a curtain, only to then take it in turns to look through small porthole at the rusted wreck of the Titanic. Sooner save the money, avoid the risk and watch it on a TV screen myself.

    All that said and as above. Really hope they're rescued
    Like many activities of the type - it’s so they can say that they did it, rather than the actual enjoyment of doing it.
    Yeah I do understand it, but given the cost + risk = a glimpse through a tiny porthole, I personally can't level it with other "dangerous" experiences like going up Everest for example. But then I'm the same with space tourism and even going up in a hot air balloon lol
    Agree but at least hot air balloons are a very long established form of transport. Deep sea submersibles are still really cutting edge stuff. Not something I’d do if you paid me never mind paying for. 
    My logic re' hot air balloons, is that the technology has remained the same since they were first invented. Okay you might have GPS etc now, but you're still essentially at the mercy of the wind and where it wants to take you
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    jacob_CAFCjacob_CAFC
    LTKapal said:
    Gribbo said:
    Not sure if there's an obvious reason why they haven't, but surely they should've had some sort of device that gives off a rough, or even exact location? If the Canadian Navy can detect banging underwater, would've thought purpose made transmitters / receivers would go somewhere near making it possible? Reckon going off into the abyss, completely untraceable is another huge question mark
    If you read into it, from an engineering perspective it was a disaster waiting to happen, they haven’t really got any fail safe systems like electromagnetically deployable ballasts in case of power failure, they can’t even open the hatch from the inside, they could be in the surface unable to escape.
    if they do rescue them, CEO should be taken to court.

    edit: some quotes from an engineer fired for raising safety concerns whilst working for the company in 2019

    “It was highlighted that Titan’s forward viewport only certified it to a depth of 1,300 metres.”
    For reference, The Titanic wreck lies 3,800 metres below the ocean surface.
    Isn't the CEO down there with them?
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    CafcWestCafcWest
    The other thing that hasn't been mentioned is battery life.  Surely they will be out of power soon so can't communicate anyway.
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    GribboGribbo
    LTKapal said:
    Gribbo said:
    Not sure if there's an obvious reason why they haven't, but surely they should've had some sort of device that gives off a rough, or even exact location? If the Canadian Navy can detect banging underwater, would've thought purpose made transmitters / receivers would go somewhere near making it possible? Reckon going off into the abyss, completely untraceable is another huge question mark
    If you read into it, from an engineering perspective it was a disaster waiting to happen, they haven’t really got any fail safe systems like electromagnetically deployable ballasts in case of power failure, they can’t even open the hatch from the inside, they could be in the surface unable to escape.
    if they do rescue them, CEO should be taken to court.

    edit: some quotes from an engineer fired for raising safety concerns whilst working for the company in 2019

    “It was highlighted that Titan’s forward viewport only certified it to a depth of 1,300 metres.”
    For reference, The Titanic wreck lies 3,800 metres below the ocean surface.
    Yeah, read that. Unbelievable negligence tbh
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