Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446

Chunes said:

I have a bit of an issue with the word 'decent' being used to describe our first team players.

For 'decent', I read 'mid-table L1 standard.

To get out of this league we need good/outstanding players. We've not had a CB like that since we last went up. 

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Never pleasing people… we sign a someone who is decent, highly rated. 

Played in the premier league, had a decent loan at the end of the season in League One, but it isn’t enough..

Holden has already proven this year we are not going to stick to the same formation, it is a signing that gives us options, from the start or from the bench to change the game.

I expect 1 free in (Dabo) 2 or 3 loans and maybe one more fee being paid if the right deal can be agreed.

For me, our biggest issue is, we don’t really have an identity of the style of play, and that falls on the manager! 

Let’s see where we are at the end of October, before we start to turn!

Not sure it does. He’s not been given the tools yet so it’s hard to show an identity/style of play when you haven’t got the players you want yet. I think he’s got a clear idea of how he wants us to play but we can only see small bits of it at the moment because we don’t have enough players 

Can you tell me how he wants to play? From what I have seen, it is to lump it then try and win the 2nd ball?? If that’s the case, then we have been recruiting the wrong players 

That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it, and a team playing that way probably wouldn’t have had more of the ball in every game we’ve played so far. Pressing and winning the ball high up is definitely a huge part of it, and players we’ve recruited like Camara and May fit that perfectly. We’ve been the best team in the league so far at winning the ball and creating chances from pressing and winning the ball high up. A striker might have helped us convert more of these chances 

We have seen a lot more longer passes over the top to May, which is another strength of his. When we have Leaburn we might see more direct passes going into him too, which will help free up May as defenders will be attracted to Leaburn’s presence. May has had to lead the line and stay central, but if you look at a lot of his Cheltenham goals he is running the channels, picking the ball up in pockets of space, cutting inside and shooting. A new striker can be that central focal point and allow May to find the spaces either side of him. 

But that’s not the only way we’ve attacked, in fact Holden seems to prefer quite a varied/practical approach rather than sticking with one way of building attacks like a Ben Garner would for example. We’re high in the league numbers for slower build up attacks (would probably be higher if we hadnt lost Fraser) and also longer passes. Holden wants attacking football which we are seeing but it’s difficult when we don’t have the striker we can all see we need. 

Losing Fraser’s ball-playing abilities and Leaburn’s presence up top have definitely not helped and probably made it look more like we are just looking for long balls for May to chase and trying to win the ball high up the pitch, along with trying to isolate CBT into a 1v1 situation. But isn’t that Holden just trying to get the best out of what he has been left with? 

It is interesting to see the voices of the new regime start trying to shift the blame towards Holden when to the rest of us it’s obvious he hasn’t been given the tools yet 

Not totally shifting blame on Holden, but we have still had enough quality on the pitch to have got better results that’s for sure. What’s the saying, bad workman blame the tools.

And no blame from the ownership, Holden is their man. 

I don’t think tactically we have been right last few games, and to many errors! 

Henry Irving said:

DH said he was expecting one of the injured players back for the Oxford game in his post Port Vale interview but wouldn't name them.

Could be Deji who played for the U21s but I suspect not so who does that leave?
Leaburn?
Fraser?
Campbell 



Camara 

DubaiCAFC said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Never pleasing people… we sign a someone who is decent, highly rated. 

Played in the premier league, had a decent loan at the end of the season in League One, but it isn’t enough..

Holden has already proven this year we are not going to stick to the same formation, it is a signing that gives us options, from the start or from the bench to change the game.

I expect 1 free in (Dabo) 2 or 3 loans and maybe one more fee being paid if the right deal can be agreed.

For me, our biggest issue is, we don’t really have an identity of the style of play, and that falls on the manager! 

Let’s see where we are at the end of October, before we start to turn!

Not sure it does. He’s not been given the tools yet so it’s hard to show an identity/style of play when you haven’t got the players you want yet. I think he’s got a clear idea of how he wants us to play but we can only see small bits of it at the moment because we don’t have enough players 

Can you tell me how he wants to play? From what I have seen, it is to lump it then try and win the 2nd ball?? If that’s the case, then we have been recruiting the wrong players 

That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it, and a team playing that way probably wouldn’t have had more of the ball in every game we’ve played so far. Pressing and winning the ball high up is definitely a huge part of it, and players we’ve recruited like Camara and May fit that perfectly. We’ve been the best team in the league so far at winning the ball and creating chances from pressing and winning the ball high up. A striker might have helped us convert more of these chances 

We have seen a lot more longer passes over the top to May, which is another strength of his. When we have Leaburn we might see more direct passes going into him too, which will help free up May as defenders will be attracted to Leaburn’s presence. May has had to lead the line and stay central, but if you look at a lot of his Cheltenham goals he is running the channels, picking the ball up in pockets of space, cutting inside and shooting. A new striker can be that central focal point and allow May to find the spaces either side of him. 

But that’s not the only way we’ve attacked, in fact Holden seems to prefer quite a varied/practical approach rather than sticking with one way of building attacks like a Ben Garner would for example. We’re high in the league numbers for slower build up attacks (would probably be higher if we hadnt lost Fraser) and also longer passes. Holden wants attacking football which we are seeing but it’s difficult when we don’t have the striker we can all see we need. 

Losing Fraser’s ball-playing abilities and Leaburn’s presence up top have definitely not helped and probably made it look more like we are just looking for long balls for May to chase and trying to win the ball high up the pitch, along with trying to isolate CBT into a 1v1 situation. But isn’t that Holden just trying to get the best out of what he has been left with? 

It is interesting to see the voices of the new regime start trying to shift the blame towards Holden when to the rest of us it’s obvious he hasn’t been given the tools yet 

Not totally shifting blame on Holden, but we have still had enough quality on the pitch to have got better results that’s for sure. What’s the saying, bad workman blame the tools.

And no blame from the ownership, Holden is their man. 

I don’t think tactically we have been right last few games, and to many errors! 

For clarity I am not saying for 1 minute get rid of Holden, but can’t put all the blame on recruitment and the ownership, he has to take some responsibility. As we have had enough on the pitch to get results 

RonnieMoore said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Never pleasing people… we sign a someone who is decent, highly rated. 

Played in the premier league, had a decent loan at the end of the season in League One, but it isn’t enough..

Holden has already proven this year we are not going to stick to the same formation, it is a signing that gives us options, from the start or from the bench to change the game.

I expect 1 free in (Dabo) 2 or 3 loans and maybe one more fee being paid if the right deal can be agreed.

For me, our biggest issue is, we don’t really have an identity of the style of play, and that falls on the manager! 

Let’s see where we are at the end of October, before we start to turn!

Not sure it does. He’s not been given the tools yet so it’s hard to show an identity/style of play when you haven’t got the players you want yet. I think he’s got a clear idea of how he wants us to play but we can only see small bits of it at the moment because we don’t have enough players 

Can you tell me how he wants to play? From what I have seen, it is to lump it then try and win the 2nd ball?? If that’s the case, then we have been recruiting the wrong players 

That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it, and a team playing that way probably wouldn’t have had more of the ball in every game we’ve played so far. Pressing and winning the ball high up is definitely a huge part of it, and players we’ve recruited like Camara and May fit that perfectly. We’ve been the best team in the league so far at winning the ball and creating chances from pressing and winning the ball high up. A striker might have helped us convert more of these chances 

We have seen a lot more longer passes over the top to May, which is another strength of his. When we have Leaburn we might see more direct passes going into him too, which will help free up May as defenders will be attracted to Leaburn’s presence. May has had to lead the line and stay central, but if you look at a lot of his Cheltenham goals he is running the channels, picking the ball up in pockets of space, cutting inside and shooting. A new striker can be that central focal point and allow May to find the spaces either side of him. 

But that’s not the only way we’ve attacked, in fact Holden seems to prefer quite a varied/practical approach rather than sticking with one way of building attacks like a Ben Garner would for example. We’re high in the league numbers for slower build up attacks (would probably be higher if we hadnt lost Fraser) and also longer passes. Holden wants attacking football which we are seeing but it’s difficult when we don’t have the striker we can all see we need. 

Losing Fraser’s ball-playing abilities and Leaburn’s presence up top have definitely not helped and probably made it look more like we are just looking for long balls for May to chase and trying to win the ball high up the pitch, along with trying to isolate CBT into a 1v1 situation. But isn’t that Holden just trying to get the best out of what he has been left with? 

It is interesting to see the voices of the new regime start trying to shift the blame towards Holden when to the rest of us it’s obvious he hasn’t been given the tools yet 

Not totally shifting blame on Holden, but we have still had enough quality on the pitch to have got better results that’s for sure. What’s the saying, bad workman blame the tools.

And no blame from the ownership, Holden is their man. 

I don’t think tactically we have been right last few games, and to many errors! 

We definitely had enough quality to beat Port Vale, but I don’t really think we can blame Holden for that when we gift wrapped 2 goals for them. Even the third, if we had another option for Asiimwe and weren’t asking an 18 year old to play every minute then he’d probably deal better with it(or his sub would have done).

Tired players make more mistakes, and we have been forced into overplaying a lot of our players, some who have barely played senior football or have been injured recently. Combine that with a bench that is full of shit and it’s no surprise we lost the 2 games by conceding late goals. 

I don’t think we’ve lost the games due to tactics at all. Really don’t see how Holden could have set us up any differently that would have been better. We just don’t have the players available to do much else 

Why all of a sudden what happens on the pitch is down to the owners .. Curbishley , Dowie , Parkinson etc etc all got blamed for what went on the pitch never heard people attacking Richard Murray every day blaming him
for losing a home game .. it’s getting ridiculous 

RonnieMoore said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Never pleasing people… we sign a someone who is decent, highly rated. 

Played in the premier league, had a decent loan at the end of the season in League One, but it isn’t enough..

Holden has already proven this year we are not going to stick to the same formation, it is a signing that gives us options, from the start or from the bench to change the game.

I expect 1 free in (Dabo) 2 or 3 loans and maybe one more fee being paid if the right deal can be agreed.

For me, our biggest issue is, we don’t really have an identity of the style of play, and that falls on the manager! 

Let’s see where we are at the end of October, before we start to turn!

Not sure it does. He’s not been given the tools yet so it’s hard to show an identity/style of play when you haven’t got the players you want yet. I think he’s got a clear idea of how he wants us to play but we can only see small bits of it at the moment because we don’t have enough players 

Can you tell me how he wants to play? From what I have seen, it is to lump it then try and win the 2nd ball?? If that’s the case, then we have been recruiting the wrong players 

That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it, and a team playing that way probably wouldn’t have had more of the ball in every game we’ve played so far. Pressing and winning the ball high up is definitely a huge part of it, and players we’ve recruited like Camara and May fit that perfectly. We’ve been the best team in the league so far at winning the ball and creating chances from pressing and winning the ball high up. A striker might have helped us convert more of these chances 

We have seen a lot more longer passes over the top to May, which is another strength of his. When we have Leaburn we might see more direct passes going into him too, which will help free up May as defenders will be attracted to Leaburn’s presence. May has had to lead the line and stay central, but if you look at a lot of his Cheltenham goals he is running the channels, picking the ball up in pockets of space, cutting inside and shooting. A new striker can be that central focal point and allow May to find the spaces either side of him. 

But that’s not the only way we’ve attacked, in fact Holden seems to prefer quite a varied/practical approach rather than sticking with one way of building attacks like a Ben Garner would for example. We’re high in the league numbers for slower build up attacks (would probably be higher if we hadnt lost Fraser) and also longer passes. Holden wants attacking football which we are seeing but it’s difficult when we don’t have the striker we can all see we need. 

Losing Fraser’s ball-playing abilities and Leaburn’s presence up top have definitely not helped and probably made it look more like we are just looking for long balls for May to chase and trying to win the ball high up the pitch, along with trying to isolate CBT into a 1v1 situation. But isn’t that Holden just trying to get the best out of what he has been left with? 

It is interesting to see the voices of the new regime start trying to shift the blame towards Holden when to the rest of us it’s obvious he hasn’t been given the tools yet 

Not totally shifting blame on Holden, but we have still had enough quality on the pitch to have got better results that’s for sure. What’s the saying, bad workman blame the tools.

And no blame from the ownership, Holden is their man. 

I don’t think tactically we have been right last few games, and to many errors! 

We definitely had enough quality to beat Port Vale, but I don’t really think we can blame Holden for that when we gift wrapped 2 goals for them. Even the third, if we had another option for Asiimwe and weren’t asking an 18 year old to play every minute then he’d probably deal better with it(or his sub would have done).

Tired players make more mistakes, and we have been forced into overplaying a lot of our players, some who have barely played senior football or have been injured recently. Combine that with a bench that is full of shit and it’s no surprise we lost the 2 games by conceding late goals. 

I don’t think we’ve lost the games due to tactics at all. Really don’t see how Holden could have set us up any differently that would have been better. We just don’t have the players available to do much else 

Why all of a sudden what happens on the pitch is down to the owners .. Curbishley , Dowie , Parkinson etc etc all got blamed for what went on the pitch never heard people attacking Richard Murray every day blaming him
for losing a home game .. it’s getting ridiculous 

fenaddick said:

sam3110 said:

fenaddick said:

RC_CAFC said:

DubaiCAFC said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Never pleasing people… we sign a someone who is decent, highly rated. 

Played in the premier league, had a decent loan at the end of the season in League One, but it isn’t enough..

Holden has already proven this year we are not going to stick to the same formation, it is a signing that gives us options, from the start or from the bench to change the game.

I expect 1 free in (Dabo) 2 or 3 loans and maybe one more fee being paid if the right deal can be agreed.

For me, our biggest issue is, we don’t really have an identity of the style of play, and that falls on the manager! 

Let’s see where we are at the end of October, before we start to turn!

Not sure it does. He’s not been given the tools yet so it’s hard to show an identity/style of play when you haven’t got the players you want yet. I think he’s got a clear idea of how he wants us to play but we can only see small bits of it at the moment because we don’t have enough players 

Can you tell me how he wants to play? From what I have seen, it is to lump it then try and win the 2nd ball?? If that’s the case, then we have been recruiting the wrong players 

That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it, and a team playing that way probably wouldn’t have had more of the ball in every game we’ve played so far. Pressing and winning the ball high up is definitely a huge part of it, and players we’ve recruited like Camara and May fit that perfectly. We’ve been the best team in the league so far at winning the ball and creating chances from pressing and winning the ball high up. A striker might have helped us convert more of these chances 

We have seen a lot more longer passes over the top to May, which is another strength of his. When we have Leaburn we might see more direct passes going into him too, which will help free up May as defenders will be attracted to Leaburn’s presence. May has had to lead the line and stay central, but if you look at a lot of his Cheltenham goals he is running the channels, picking the ball up in pockets of space, cutting inside and shooting. A new striker can be that central focal point and allow May to find the spaces either side of him. 

But that’s not the only way we’ve attacked, in fact Holden seems to prefer quite a varied/practical approach rather than sticking with one way of building attacks like a Ben Garner would for example. We’re high in the league numbers for slower build up attacks (would probably be higher if we hadnt lost Fraser) and also longer passes. Holden wants attacking football which we are seeing but it’s difficult when we don’t have the striker we can all see we need. 

Losing Fraser’s ball-playing abilities and Leaburn’s presence up top have definitely not helped and probably made it look more like we are just looking for long balls for May to chase and trying to win the ball high up the pitch, along with trying to isolate CBT into a 1v1 situation. But isn’t that Holden just trying to get the best out of what he has been left with? 

It is interesting to see the voices of the new regime start trying to shift the blame towards Holden when to the rest of us it’s obvious he hasn’t been given the tools yet 

Not totally shifting blame on Holden, but we have still had enough quality on the pitch to have got better results that’s for sure. What’s the saying, bad workman blame the tools.

And no blame from the ownership, Holden is their man. 

I don’t think tactically we have been right last few games, and to many errors! 

For clarity I am not saying for 1 minute get rid of Holden, but can’t put all the blame on recruitment and the ownership, he has to take some responsibility. As we have had enough on the pitch to get results 

He has and we have shown enough. The reason we aren’t on at least 7 points is individual errors. Which I think in this short term, you can’t really put on him. Hector’s mistake in that last game was so poor for someone of his experience.

I think individual errors are a mindset thing though and that is on Holden, especially given that’s something he talks about a lot. The Asiimwe one I can forgive because he must have mentally and physically exhausted by that point but there aren’t really any excuses for the others 

A player mis-controlling the ball CANNOT be blamed on the manager, that's absolutely ridiculous! May as well start blaming the manager for the weather or if the train to the game is delayed ffs

In isolation I agree but I think there’s a pattern of individual errors causing us goals. I rate Holden and think he’s doing a good job but lapses in concentration and how we react to them is something he needs to work with the team to eliminate surely 

killerandflash said:

thenewbie said:

SouthWest_Addicks said:

Be extremely surprised if we bring a Centre Back in before the window. Deji Eleware is very rated at the club and fully expect he will emerge back into the first team scene at some point this season. 

Its not a numbers thing at CB though is it, its a lack of leadership and organising. I like Deji and I can see why he's rated but I would rather have an older more experienced head.

That's Hector's job surely? Jones is reasonably experienced too.

Why Hector has been so poor since pre season is a mystery.

JohnnyH2 said:

RonnieMoore said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Never pleasing people… we sign a someone who is decent, highly rated. 

Played in the premier league, had a decent loan at the end of the season in League One, but it isn’t enough..

Holden has already proven this year we are not going to stick to the same formation, it is a signing that gives us options, from the start or from the bench to change the game.

I expect 1 free in (Dabo) 2 or 3 loans and maybe one more fee being paid if the right deal can be agreed.

For me, our biggest issue is, we don’t really have an identity of the style of play, and that falls on the manager! 

Let’s see where we are at the end of October, before we start to turn!

Not sure it does. He’s not been given the tools yet so it’s hard to show an identity/style of play when you haven’t got the players you want yet. I think he’s got a clear idea of how he wants us to play but we can only see small bits of it at the moment because we don’t have enough players 

Can you tell me how he wants to play? From what I have seen, it is to lump it then try and win the 2nd ball?? If that’s the case, then we have been recruiting the wrong players 

That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it, and a team playing that way probably wouldn’t have had more of the ball in every game we’ve played so far. Pressing and winning the ball high up is definitely a huge part of it, and players we’ve recruited like Camara and May fit that perfectly. We’ve been the best team in the league so far at winning the ball and creating chances from pressing and winning the ball high up. A striker might have helped us convert more of these chances 

We have seen a lot more longer passes over the top to May, which is another strength of his. When we have Leaburn we might see more direct passes going into him too, which will help free up May as defenders will be attracted to Leaburn’s presence. May has had to lead the line and stay central, but if you look at a lot of his Cheltenham goals he is running the channels, picking the ball up in pockets of space, cutting inside and shooting. A new striker can be that central focal point and allow May to find the spaces either side of him. 

But that’s not the only way we’ve attacked, in fact Holden seems to prefer quite a varied/practical approach rather than sticking with one way of building attacks like a Ben Garner would for example. We’re high in the league numbers for slower build up attacks (would probably be higher if we hadnt lost Fraser) and also longer passes. Holden wants attacking football which we are seeing but it’s difficult when we don’t have the striker we can all see we need. 

Losing Fraser’s ball-playing abilities and Leaburn’s presence up top have definitely not helped and probably made it look more like we are just looking for long balls for May to chase and trying to win the ball high up the pitch, along with trying to isolate CBT into a 1v1 situation. But isn’t that Holden just trying to get the best out of what he has been left with? 

It is interesting to see the voices of the new regime start trying to shift the blame towards Holden when to the rest of us it’s obvious he hasn’t been given the tools yet 

Not totally shifting blame on Holden, but we have still had enough quality on the pitch to have got better results that’s for sure. What’s the saying, bad workman blame the tools.

And no blame from the ownership, Holden is their man. 

I don’t think tactically we have been right last few games, and to many errors! 

We definitely had enough quality to beat Port Vale, but I don’t really think we can blame Holden for that when we gift wrapped 2 goals for them. Even the third, if we had another option for Asiimwe and weren’t asking an 18 year old to play every minute then he’d probably deal better with it(or his sub would have done).

Tired players make more mistakes, and we have been forced into overplaying a lot of our players, some who have barely played senior football or have been injured recently. Combine that with a bench that is full of shit and it’s no surprise we lost the 2 games by conceding late goals. 

I don’t think we’ve lost the games due to tactics at all. Really don’t see how Holden could have set us up any differently that would have been better. We just don’t have the players available to do much else 

Why all of a sudden what happens on the pitch is down to the owners .. Curbishley , Dowie , Parkinson etc etc all got blamed for what went on the pitch never heard people attacking Richard Murray every day blaming him
for losing a home game .. it’s getting ridiculous 

RM got a lot of stick across all forums from the moment Dowie replaced Curbs and the criticism got bigger and louder over the years since.

Only one forum went back to praising him, after we got relegated to League 1, at the same point Lounge Passes started getting distributed 

Croydon said:

GetYerCoreyOut said:

Supposedly in the running for Cardiff City attacking midfielder Rubin Colwill on loan or possibly a permanent. In his final year of contract. Charlton, Bolton and Reading all registering interest for the Wales international.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-charlton-athletic-bolton-wanderers-and-reading-make-moves-to-sign-cardiff-star-rubin-colwill/

I didn't think Reading could sign anyone?