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Now that is bad. Just how amateurish are this bunch we've now got calling the shots?sam3110 said:12 -
They didn’t contribute in any meaningful capacity last season so should be considered new options for the first team, just as any academy player in any season should be.SELR_addicks said:
Anderson, Asiimwe and Elerewe were all at the club last season and available for selection.Callumcafc said:
The following players made at least one league start last season:SELR_addicks said:
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.Callumcafc said:
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...SELR_addicks said:
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?killerandflash said:
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.SELR_addicks said:
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?SELR_addicks said:Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season:
Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.
We have hollowed out our squad and forced Academy players into positions they shouldn't be (starting every game playing 90 minutes) to fill the gaps.
No wonder every manager is turning us down.
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Sorry, have not read all comments but am I being too suspicious? Scott is so busy finding a new manager he has not got time to look for new players 🥴2
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So there was a plan or contingency in place was there?
Try Ferguson? Nah doesn't work out.
Try Powell to appease the fans? Nah doesn't work out.
Try and explain how what they're looking for would be an upgrade on Holden? Over to you Rodwell, nah over to you Methven, nah over to you Scott, nah over to you Keohane, nah over to you some obscure American person.
They are making it all up as they go along. Not day to day it seems, but hour by hour.
At least they have a burger expert around to have something to stuff into their mouths.1 -
They were options last season too, just behind the first-team squad members that we have now lost.Callumcafc said:
They didn’t contribute in any meaningful capacity last season so should be considered new options for the first team, just as any academy player in any season should be.SELR_addicks said:
Anderson, Asiimwe and Elerewe were all at the club last season and available for selection.Callumcafc said:
The following players made at least one league start last season:SELR_addicks said:
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.Callumcafc said:
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...SELR_addicks said:
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?killerandflash said:
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.SELR_addicks said:
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?SELR_addicks said:Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season:
Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.
We have hollowed out our squad and forced Academy players into positions they shouldn't be (starting every game playing 90 minutes) to fill the gaps.
No wonder every manager is turning us down.
If we had 6 CBs injured last season Elerewe would have played. Same for Asiimwe at RB and Anderson at CM.
I don't understand people claiming them as some form of signings. They were here last season.1 -
Stoke and Southampton were difficult jobs. Stoke were stuck in mid-table before and after Jones and only now are starting to turn things round a little bit, Southampton were already doomed when he took over but Jones failing in the premier league is not too concerning when we are looking for a good league 1 manager.Bexleyheath_Addick said:Nathan Jones would be an excellent appointment at this level. Although, his record isn't great anywhere except LutonOnly issue is would he want to join, I think he could easily wait for a championship job so it would have to be our link that he started his coaching career here that might make him open to it5 -
And also team formations which,should have it own thread.Callumcafc said:
Regardless, this thread is meant to be about potential new managers and it’s being turned into a moan about Methven and the owners being cheap again. Like every other thread it seems.Callumcafc said:
The following players made at least one league start last season:SELR_addicks said:
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.Callumcafc said:
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...SELR_addicks said:
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?killerandflash said:
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.SELR_addicks said:
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?SELR_addicks said:Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season:
Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.0 -
Would Appleton have managed McGrandles, Payne or Kirk?0
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Powell as interim manager is an unbelievably cynical attempt to quieten the fans down30
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Shambles. Asking our biggest legend of this century to come back on an interim basis. Clearly no plan when sacking Holden and any optimism I had about this new ownership (due to Metven involvement it was tiny to start with) has now quickly gone.
Suddenly starting to really think we may have a relegation battle on our hands. Bigger clubs than us have sudddenly found themselves in league 2.3 -
Good that Chris Powell said no, one of my heroes and I don't want his reputation tarnished.
I think the shouts for him being manager are a bit misguided, he's done fairly poor at Huddersfield and Southend. In particular Huddersfield where he was sacked with a 26% win rate and Huddersfield were then promoted with a new manager the following season to the premier League.
I have so much man love for him but this mainly comes from him as a player and his likeability as a human. The promotion season was brilliant and we springboarded from it into the following season, unfortunately I think it was pure momentum and I think he wouldn't be able to replicate it. Before Chris was dismissed the results and football was shocking. For that reason I would be a bit cautious about having him back, I'd hate to see fans turn on him.
The same goes for Bowyer, I think we didn't realise at the time how good the squad was at the start of the season (I certainly didn't) and I think it was more so having high end league 1/championship players that got us up. That early first half season strike force of Taylor & Grant was ridiculous and the best in the league, behind them we had Aribo, Cullen and Bielik and look how well they've all done since. He was negative, he threw players under the bus and he ran out of ideas and ultimately ditched us for Birmingham before he was pushed.
I hold Powell in a far higher regard but it's a case of 'thanks for the memories' for both.
I suppose with that said the real difference maker and is what everyone has been saying is our player strength. We aren't up to it, could bring in Klopp and some of these would still shit the bed.
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Offering him an interim position will have the opposite effect.Smithy said:Powell as interim manager is an unbelievably cynical attempt to quieten the fans down2 -
For me, this is the biggest week since the takeover.
Get the manager and remaining signings wrong and we all know you're full of shite throughout your structure. Not just the Charlie Mouthpiece.12 -
My god, I’m genuinely worried about Scott’s amateurish approach to finding a new manager or interim. Every failed approach is splashed across the media, unless it’s a cynical attempt to butter up the fans for the upcoming cheap option. It’s either amateurish of cynical, not a great look, why do we get the worst owners!sam3110 said:12 -
I think of all the names mentioned;
Darren Moore - echo what's already been said, think it's a non-goer personally
Leam Richardson - is a great shout and one I didn't think of at all, really impressive with Wigan and a real dark horse shout
Nathan Jones - Ego too big and I think he would leave anyway after finding form
Chris Wilder - My personal 'realistic dream' choice manager. Old school but still up to date with modern football. Players like Dobson and May will thrive under him
Karl Robinson - Probably not an inspired choice but he's very experienced, had Oxford always fighting for play offs and when he gets it right, his sides play good football, we have the personnel for a 4231 as well.
Other than that I can't really see anyone else0 -
Youth players, in theory, improve to become first team options when they are ready to contribute. That’s why they can be considered new signings.SELR_addicks said:
They were options last season too, just behind the first-team squad members that we have now lost.Callumcafc said:
They didn’t contribute in any meaningful capacity last season so should be considered new options for the first team, just as any academy player in any season should be.SELR_addicks said:
Anderson, Asiimwe and Elerewe were all at the club last season and available for selection.Callumcafc said:
The following players made at least one league start last season:SELR_addicks said:
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.Callumcafc said:
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...SELR_addicks said:
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?killerandflash said:
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.SELR_addicks said:
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?SELR_addicks said:Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season:
Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.
We have hollowed out our squad and forced Academy players into positions they shouldn't be (starting every game playing 90 minutes) to fill the gaps.
No wonder every manager is turning us down.
If we had 6 CBs injured last season Elerewe would have played. Same for Asiimwe at RB and Anderson at CM.
I don't understand people claiming them as some form of signings. They were here last season.
If we signed a senior pro for every senior pro that left, we’d never have any academy players in the side. Space should be made for them to come in and be a part of the first team.
If you don’t want to consider academy players as “new signings”, then by the same logic they shouldn’t ever be considered losses. So Morgan and Clayden not real losses from last season and don’t need replacing.
But I’m sure even you would find that notion ludicrous.3 -
Think it'll be longer than a week. No way 1 man can handle the last few days of the window and appoint a manager. I reckon Pearce will still be in charge for Wigan, maybe even StevenageDazzler21 said:For me, this is the biggest week since the takeover.
Get the manager and remaining signings wrong and we all know you're full of shite.0 -
"We want transparency"
"That's being too transparent"1 -
Will we get a manager this week though? If they were offering Powell an interim role that would suggest not. So I’m unsure how we are going to get the remaining signings right when we don’t have a manager! Why would any player choose to join a club that doesn’t have one? We will lose out on anyone who has another club interestedDazzler21 said:For me, this is the biggest week since the takeover.
Get the manager and remaining signings wrong and we all know you're full of shite.4 - Sponsored links:
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Did they contact Powell by text message?
Or did a credible Charlton Athletic representative make an appointment to speak face to face?
Anybody know?5 -
Remember CM is a PR consultant, his job has been putting spin on unfavourable stories. Surely we can call out his spin?Dazzler21 said:"We want transparency"
"That's being too transparent"2 -
This is a bit like when the missus comes home from the food shop and tells you she saw something really nice that you would have loved
But she didn't get it7 -
Now I said I didn’t know if Powell would be the right move for us, but to offer a man of his stature an interim role is disgraceful.sam3110 said:
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Powell can do better than us even as a permanent choice, of course he turned down an interim job.
Why are we taking random pot shots at people who will definitely say no like Powell and Ferguson? Leaks to pretend they are really trying before the window closes and they appoint the cheap option?5 -
Feels like they tried to do the Lampard at Chelsea thing but forgot that the Chelsea interim job was a huge step up for Lampard, whereas asking Powell to sit in the chair until they can get Michael bloody Appleton in is a real insult
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Stinks of Methven this.se9addick said:
Now I said I didn’t know if Powell would be the right move for us, to offer a man of his stature an interim role is disgraceful.sam3110 said:
A man who now thinks he can dupe those with stature in the game in the same way he managed to dupe a bunch of dozy American investors.8 -
Second season after promotion, Critchley had got them to mid table in the championship.Callumcafc said:
His experience that is relevant:CL_Phantom said:Swisdom said:I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days
Interesting input.
Can anyone remember what Appleton was like as a manager, we've memed him into oblivion that I genuinely have no idea what he is anymore.
- Oxford: took over in 2014 as a League 2 club, got them promoted in his second season and they finished 8th in League 1 in his third and final season there.
- Lincoln: took over recently promoted club after they got promoted under Cowley. Led them to 16th, 5th and 17th in his three seasons.
- Blackpool: appointed to the Championship club after their promotion when Critchley left, sacked seven months in with Blackpool in 23rd.
Outside of that, various assistant and coaching gigs at Leicester, West Brom.1 -
They never had a plan. ‘Thorough recruitment process’ is just words, add it to ‘transfer strategy’ in the lexicon of empty cliches that might keep the fans subdued for a few hours. They’re winging it.North Lower Neil said:Powell can do better than us even as a permanent choice, of course he turned down an interim job.
Why are we taking random pot shots at people who will definitely say no like Powell and Ferguson? Leaks to pretend they are really trying before the window closes and they appoint the cheap option?5 -
I don’t think it’s all that insulting if I’m honest, Powell will be on international duty after the weekend and we needed someone to help run the team this week4
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