Next Manager Search - August 2023

cafcdave123 said:

I don’t think it’s all that insulting if I’m honest, Powell will be on international duty after the weekend and we needed someone to help run the team this week 

soapboxsam said:

Showmetheway2gohome said:

Darren Moore got plenty of stick  from Wednesday fans up here in Sheffield for his team selection and tactics I think he would have been sacked in summer if he didn’t get promoted but then got sacked anyway. 

His not a choice for me. 

He got a Massive club promoted from League 1 but somehow he wouldn't be good enough for a middling to small London club?(The reality now !)  I appreciate Wednesday had a strong squad but in a results business he was a success. A 46 league game marathon and he got them over the line in their 49th match. Impressive to achieve.

I have already said I would like to build a club with a combo of a young Ryan Mason as manager with a Chris Powell as his assistant and mentor. I believe CP is doing very nicely with other projects and is unlikely to want to get involved with the day to day grind and traveling to desolate Northern outposts after the luxury of England travels.

cafcdave123 said:

Fair enough, thought he’d be off with England next week 

Callumcafc said:

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SELR_addicks said:

Callumcafc said:

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killerandflash said:

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Chris_from_Sidcup said:

SELR_addicks said:

Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.

This summer we've signed 7 players. 

No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players. 

OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?

IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings. 

So it's 12 out and 9 in. 

There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers. 

Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings. 

And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings. 

The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now. 

More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places. 

Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.

It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.

So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used? 

Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...

As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.

The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.

The following players made at least one league start last season:
Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray, 

Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season:
Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.



So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.

In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.

We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.

Regardless, this thread is meant to be about potential new managers and it’s being turned into a moan about Methven and the owners being cheap again. Like every other thread it seems.

Manic_mania said:

SDAddick said:

It's a difficult time because we're the first club to sack their manager, and as such, interesting managers at other clubs haven't come free yet. 

I would not have been thrilled by Ferguson, but we could certainly do far worse. 

I'm sort of desperately looking at teams in the Championship and League One that have started slowly. I don't think Rotherham would part with Taylor, especially early on, but he would be a great get. Xisco at Sheff Wed would also be interesting, but I don't know that he'd need to drop down to League One unless he was set on managing and succeeding in England. 

So back to reality: 

• Darren Moore: By all accounts a lovely guy. Think he did the right think being asked to be paid like a Championship manager at Sheff Wed. I just think he's probably holding out for a Championship job, and more importantly, I don't think his style fits our squad. At all. 
• Bowyer: Never go back. 2018/19 was great. I think Bowyer did the best he could in 19/20. But I think people forget just how bereft of ideas he was at the end of his time here. And generally, he accomplished a lot here and I think it would be a real risk to him coming back now.
  
• Robinson: Okay, my unpopular opinion is that this is a squad that would suit Robinson's system and style of play. Would I bring him back? Only if I absolutely couldn't get anyone else. But he did pretty well at Oxford, seemed to become a little more tactically flexible.
  
• Bonner: I'm always a little worried about giving managers who have been at one club for a while a big step up. He's definitely done well with the resources at his disposal at Cambridge. 4-2-3-1 is what I think this squad will end up playing. 
  
• Ritchie Wellens: I think this is very, very unlikely but he obviously did incredibly well with Orient last year. I like the way he wants to play football even if I think he made a poor substitution bringing off Piggot and not replacing him with a CF on opening day. 
• Grant McCann: Makes sense that we would move on from Ferguson to McCann. 
  
• Michael Appleton: I no longer know what type of manager Appleton is, I only know him as a meme.
  
• Nathan Jones: I suspect he was (or should have been) humbled by his time at Soton. I don't think he was League One humbled, and I don't think a diamond suits this team. 
  
• Euell/Pearce: I doubt Pearce is in line for it. Euell seems like a decent coach but I feel like he needs a senior managerial job, and also, I feel like this club could use some fresh blood from a coaching perspective.
• Steve Cotterill: Cheekbones you could set your watch by. He's been around forever, and I really struggle to remember any of his sides. That's not necessarily a knock on him, it might be more about me and my memory, but he seems to be gradually working his way down the leagues.
• Danny Cowley: There was a time when he seemed quite intriguing, but things didn't end well at Hudds and didn't seem to go well at Portsmouth and I'm now quite skeptical. I think he is a cautionary tale for someone like a Bonner--making the step up and falling short.
  
• Warburton: He did alright with QPR, but it's weird to me that he hasn't had a job since. I don't know if that was by choice. 
  
• Lee Johnson: There was a time when he was considered a bright young manager. It will be him I suspect.
  

It's, not an inspiring list. I really hope Rodwell has a deep rolladex with coaches who aren't his friends. I do think this could be a good job for a Championship Assistant looking to break into management (what we tried to do with Beale). Right now it just feels like there isn't a whole lot out there. I think Holden had to go, he'd hit his ceiling and he was bumping up against it. But sacking a manager is only half of the equation. Would this lot be okay to let Pearcey go 2-3 weeks to see who comes available? I doubt it given how poorly we've started, but we'll see.

I know you took a lot of time making this post but Chris Powell is abscent from that list;

Reason - he "gets" us - Holden made a big "thing" about the no dick head rule - CP didn't even feel the need to explain that as a prerequisit - it was a natural assumption for any player coming here.
Ability - he has previous significant success - he's won this league once at a canter
Opportunity - he is available and not in current employment
Financial - it wouldn't cost us a major amount since he is coming from a coaching role 
Most importantly - gives the fan base the kind of lift that is potentially only possible with one other encumbent
and dare I forget Will - unfinished business, affinity with the fans, wanting to prove he is a top level manager

Dazzler21 said:

"We want transparency"

"That's being too transparent"

bertpalmer said:

Garrymanilow said:

bertpalmer said:

Get curbs in, cant see why supporters dont want him he would sort out from top to bottom he knows what is required or does that not suit our new owners ?? Roy Hodgson is managing Palace at 76 in the premiership Curbs is over 10 years younger

But Hodgson has spent the last 600 years managing teams. He's barely been out of the game at all, they couldn't even keep him retired. Curbs hasn't managed a team in 15 years, a lot has changed and he'll have to catch up with that. I don't think it would go well

He would make more improvements in a week than the candidates suggested would do in a season imo