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VAR - are you a fan?
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barely mentioned ?Off_it said:
Yep, another shocker. But it barely gets a mention because we're all numb to it now. The sort of bad decisions VAR was brought in to eradicate are still being made, only now we have to wait 5 minutes for them to decide. Progress.KBslittlesis said:Absolute howler at City v Fulham game yesterday.
Its backwards we’re going 🤬
Football really is a pretty simple game that is endlessly complicated by these idiots drawing lines and talking about phases of play, etc.
was all over Soccer Saturday, BBC Final Score, Match of the Day , Silva being interviewed, Haaland coming out and saying he would be furious if that was given against them etc0 -
Well its been barely mentioned on here, which is what I was referring to - this is the "VAR" thread after all!MrOneLung said:
barely mentioned ?Off_it said:
Yep, another shocker. But it barely gets a mention because we're all numb to it now. The sort of bad decisions VAR was brought in to eradicate are still being made, only now we have to wait 5 minutes for them to decide. Progress.KBslittlesis said:Absolute howler at City v Fulham game yesterday.
Its backwards we’re going 🤬
Football really is a pretty simple game that is endlessly complicated by these idiots drawing lines and talking about phases of play, etc.
was all over Soccer Saturday, BBC Final Score, Match of the Day , Silva being interviewed, Haaland coming out and saying he would be furious if that was given against them etc0 -
Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.1 -
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.3 -
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.0 -
How would yesterdays ref do if he was offered a premiership game, where he would be fully under focus.0
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So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
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Do you watch the Euros or the World Cup?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
The British Referees at the Major Tournaments tend to be no worse than the best from UEFA or ROW - Genuinely dont know where these amazing foreign referees are going to appear from.
Jarrett Gillett who left Australia to come to England has been awful0 -
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?0 -
But we have to be honest and admit that even a bad ref shouldn''t make those mistakes. I suspect they are letting other factors interfere with their decisions. The favourite for me is trying not to overrule the ref on the pitch where possibe. I think this is a major weakness of VAR as it is now. The VAR ref should merely overrule the ref for obvious errors and the on pitch ref shouldn't worry about that as long as the right decision is acheived.1
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I think refs should be replaced by AI0
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What happens when the foreign Referees make mistakes just as bad, if not worse?SELR_addicks said:
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?
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Hopefully it at least breaks up the 'old boys club' that won't correct referees on mistakes even when it's obvious on the VAR screen.ForeverAddickted said:
What happens when the foreign Referees make mistakes just as bad, if not worse?SELR_addicks said:
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?
Something needs to change. Referees in this country are more concerned about their buddies than sporting integrity.1 -
Maybe the alternative is that Referee's need to stop being crucified post-match, so their "mates" and colleagues wont feel the need to protect them so much?SELR_addicks said:
Hopefully it at least breaks up the 'old boys club' that won't correct referees on mistakes even when it's obvious on the VAR screen.ForeverAddickted said:
What happens when the foreign Referees make mistakes just as bad, if not worse?SELR_addicks said:
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?
Something needs to change. Referees in this country are more concerned about their buddies than sporting integrity.1 -
Do better then.ForeverAddickted said:
Maybe the alternative is that Referee's need to stop being crucified post-match, so their "mates" and colleagues wont feel the need to protect them so much?SELR_addicks said:
Hopefully it at least breaks up the 'old boys club' that won't correct referees on mistakes even when it's obvious on the VAR screen.ForeverAddickted said:
What happens when the foreign Referees make mistakes just as bad, if not worse?SELR_addicks said:
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?
Something needs to change. Referees in this country are more concerned about their buddies than sporting integrity.0 -
You can laugh as always - But keep dreaming that a foreign Referee will be the solution then, because it wont whilst people expect perfection.SELR_addicks said:
Do better then.ForeverAddickted said:
Maybe the alternative is that Referee's need to stop being crucified post-match, so their "mates" and colleagues wont feel the need to protect them so much?SELR_addicks said:
Hopefully it at least breaks up the 'old boys club' that won't correct referees on mistakes even when it's obvious on the VAR screen.ForeverAddickted said:
What happens when the foreign Referees make mistakes just as bad, if not worse?SELR_addicks said:
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?
Something needs to change. Referees in this country are more concerned about their buddies than sporting integrity.
Like I've long asked, why do you think a foreign referee will be the answer, when they're clearly not in International Competitions.
Whats the answer when they dont solve the problem?
We go for Inter-Galactic Referees?2 -
Expecting competence =/= perfection.ForeverAddickted said:
You can laugh as always - But keep dreaming that a foreign Referee will be the solution then, because it wont whilst people expect perfection.SELR_addicks said:
Do better then.ForeverAddickted said:
Maybe the alternative is that Referee's need to stop being crucified post-match, so their "mates" and colleagues wont feel the need to protect them so much?SELR_addicks said:
Hopefully it at least breaks up the 'old boys club' that won't correct referees on mistakes even when it's obvious on the VAR screen.ForeverAddickted said:
What happens when the foreign Referees make mistakes just as bad, if not worse?SELR_addicks said:
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?
Something needs to change. Referees in this country are more concerned about their buddies than sporting integrity.
When referees can freely tell the press they didn't interfere because they didn't want their mate to look bad, the whole profession is a joke.2 -
You see I think this is a better solution to foreign refereesSELR_addicks said:
Expecting competence =/= perfection.ForeverAddickted said:
You can laugh as always - But keep dreaming that a foreign Referee will be the solution then, because it wont whilst people expect perfection.SELR_addicks said:
Do better then.ForeverAddickted said:
Maybe the alternative is that Referee's need to stop being crucified post-match, so their "mates" and colleagues wont feel the need to protect them so much?SELR_addicks said:
Hopefully it at least breaks up the 'old boys club' that won't correct referees on mistakes even when it's obvious on the VAR screen.ForeverAddickted said:
What happens when the foreign Referees make mistakes just as bad, if not worse?SELR_addicks said:
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?
Something needs to change. Referees in this country are more concerned about their buddies than sporting integrity.
When referees can freely tell the press they didn't interfere because they didn't want their mate to look bad, the whole profession is a joke.
Mic them up (not just for VAR decisions), get them talking to the press after games, no different to standard post match interviews.
Referees need to be humanised more - Instead they're this invisible entity for the most part, and are treated as though they'd rather be the main star of the show... Which for the most part, I imagine isnt the case.
In turn it'll be harder to protect a mate, as the world will be hearing their reasoning behind their view on an incident.0 -
Why do you think that's the case?ForeverAddickted said:
You see I think this is a better solution to foreign refereesSELR_addicks said:
Expecting competence =/= perfection.ForeverAddickted said:
You can laugh as always - But keep dreaming that a foreign Referee will be the solution then, because it wont whilst people expect perfection.SELR_addicks said:
Do better then.ForeverAddickted said:
Maybe the alternative is that Referee's need to stop being crucified post-match, so their "mates" and colleagues wont feel the need to protect them so much?SELR_addicks said:
Hopefully it at least breaks up the 'old boys club' that won't correct referees on mistakes even when it's obvious on the VAR screen.ForeverAddickted said:
What happens when the foreign Referees make mistakes just as bad, if not worse?SELR_addicks said:
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?
Something needs to change. Referees in this country are more concerned about their buddies than sporting integrity.
When referees can freely tell the press they didn't interfere because they didn't want their mate to look bad, the whole profession is a joke.
Mic them up (not just for VAR decisions), get them talking to the press after games, no different to standard post match interviews.
Referees need to be humanised more - Instead they're this invisible entity for the most part, and are treated as though they'd rather be the main star of the show... Which for the most part, I imagine isnt the case.
Because PGMOL refuse to allow any kind of criticism or transparency about officiating. Jobs for the boys is protected above all else.1 -
Decision needs to be taken away from them, because in the long run foreign refs (Gillett etc.) wont make a blind bit of difference, I've not seen enough decent games from them in Continental / International games to convince me others, apart from perhaps one or twoSELR_addicks said:
Why do you think that's the case?ForeverAddickted said:
You see I think this is a better solution to foreign refereesSELR_addicks said:
Expecting competence =/= perfection.ForeverAddickted said:
You can laugh as always - But keep dreaming that a foreign Referee will be the solution then, because it wont whilst people expect perfection.SELR_addicks said:
Do better then.ForeverAddickted said:
Maybe the alternative is that Referee's need to stop being crucified post-match, so their "mates" and colleagues wont feel the need to protect them so much?SELR_addicks said:
Hopefully it at least breaks up the 'old boys club' that won't correct referees on mistakes even when it's obvious on the VAR screen.ForeverAddickted said:
What happens when the foreign Referees make mistakes just as bad, if not worse?SELR_addicks said:
That's exactly your point if you're saying we should only have English refs?SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
I'm saying get the best referees in the world, regardless of where they're born. Why are we stuck with a bunch of refs from one area of the world that clearly aren't up for doing the job?
Something needs to change. Referees in this country are more concerned about their buddies than sporting integrity.
When referees can freely tell the press they didn't interfere because they didn't want their mate to look bad, the whole profession is a joke.
Mic them up (not just for VAR decisions), get them talking to the press after games, no different to standard post match interviews.
Referees need to be humanised more - Instead they're this invisible entity for the most part, and are treated as though they'd rather be the main star of the show... Which for the most part, I imagine isnt the case.
Because PGMOL refuse to allow any kind of criticism or transparency about officiating. Jobs for the boys is protected above all else.0 - Sponsored links:
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Discussion on the Man Utd v Wolves penalty that never was.
https://youtu.be/7bNQKyvDOV0?si=wJVWSGas0JRyH8_9 0 -
"It's just a collision, we don't give those", says the ref.
Absolute helmet.
And there's no doubt that the VAR heard him say that and decided to just back his mate. Ridiculous.0 -
The VAR was clearly going towards a foul at first and then talked himself out of it.Off_it said:"It's just a collision, we don't give those", says the ref.
Absolute helmet.
And there's no doubt that the VAR heard him say that and decided to just back his mate. Ridiculous.0 -
There’s also this one on the Van Dijk red card v Newcastle.
https://youtu.be/QndBrhE9bJk?si=TArki-ZC4_eeumwb 0 -
Which by that logic would mean the best foreign refs may be better than the average British ones.ForeverAddickted said:
Do you watch the Euros or the World Cup?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
The British Referees at the Major Tournaments tend to be no worse than the best from UEFA or ROW - Genuinely dont know where these amazing foreign referees are going to appear from.
Jarrett Gillett who left Australia to come to England has been awful2 -
Absolutely not. Good and bad refs can come from anywhere, which is why it’s ridiculous we restrict ourselves to refs from only one country.SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.1 -
But that's not what SELR is suggesting. He's stating that foreign officials are de facto better.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Absolutely not. Good and bad refs can come from anywhere, which is why it’s ridiculous we restrict ourselves to refs from only one country.SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
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Oh for the days of him....Pierluigi Collina.1
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Nope, I'm saying get the best referees.SporadicAddick said:
But that's not what SELR is suggesting. He's stating that foreign officials are de facto better.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Absolutely not. Good and bad refs can come from anywhere, which is why it’s ridiculous we restrict ourselves to refs from only one country.SporadicAddick said:
So the capability of football referees is influenced by their place of birth or nationality?Stu_of_Kunming said:
You don’t think there are any foreign refs better than the utter shite we’re stuck with.SporadicAddick said:
Your first point is spot on, your second point should be a great troll, but I actually think you mean it.SELR_addicks said:Referees yet again are unable to apply their own rules to situations.
We need to start looking at replacing them with better foreign officials.
I’m 100% in the ‘get foreign refs in’ camp.
It’s a quite remarkable claim, on so many levels.
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" replacing them with better foreign officials." - not the same as replacing them with any foreign officials. We need to get the best refs regardless of where they are.0 -
Has anyone seen the VAR audio for the Akanji decision?
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/16bmpsd/nathan_akes_controversial_goal_ref_and_var_team/
Astonishingly incompetent.1
