ECB’s “The Hundred”
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Anyway Ho Hum and I doubt we will convince each other!
At least we have the fundamentals right however, we love cricket and love Charlton (and hopefully Kent!) so that’s some level of consensus2 -
Went to Edgbaston for the T20 today. Had a good day out but really won’t bother with that again. Not an ounce of tension or real excitement. England v poor all round. Decided I much prefer the pace and intrigue of test matches.1
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IAgree said:Just to point out the “low standard” cricket in August is because the best players are involved with the Hundred. I don’t blame them, they have a living to make, however it’s stretching credulity to suggest that the extra competition doesn’t adversely impact upon a crowded domestic season and inevitably upon the competition it’s directly scheduled against. And of course not playing 50 over cricket will affect the national side. That’s axiomatic! The Hundred did have a direct impact upon the timing of the ashes, and my personal view the very concentrated schedule resultant adversely impacted our performance.
Personally I love the one day game, and have developed an appreciation for T20. I’m not keen upon the Hundred format for probably the same reasons others like it, however all the discussions of how successful & financially sustainable the competition is aside, it is without doubt, highly divisive and generates a strongly negative reaction from most cricket fans, because of the timing, the alien nature of the format and because the impact upon other completions
I question the point of a competition sold as a way to bring more people to cricket if it’s significantly and adversely undermines the game it’s supposed to be promoting.
A final point is that my loyalty is to a very well established and historic club with a long and proud history. I feel absolutely zero affinity to entirely manufactured teams, with frankly silly names playing a format which leaves me absolutely cold.Unless a way is found to play the format without the destructive impact it is having upon the fundamentals of the game it is supposed to promote, then I’m afraid most cricket fans will continue to oppose it.1 -
Weegie Addick said:Went to Edgbaston for the T20 today. Had a good day out but really won’t bother with that again. Not an ounce of tension or real excitement. England v poor all round. Decided I much prefer the pace and intrigue of test matches.0
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PrincessFiona said:IAgree said:Just to point out the “low standard” cricket in August is because the best players are involved with the Hundred. I don’t blame them, they have a living to make, however it’s stretching credulity to suggest that the extra competition doesn’t adversely impact upon a crowded domestic season and inevitably upon the competition it’s directly scheduled against. And of course not playing 50 over cricket will affect the national side. That’s axiomatic! The Hundred did have a direct impact upon the timing of the ashes, and my personal view the very concentrated schedule resultant adversely impacted our performance.
Personally I love the one day game, and have developed an appreciation for T20. I’m not keen upon the Hundred format for probably the same reasons others like it, however all the discussions of how successful & financially sustainable the competition is aside, it is without doubt, highly divisive and generates a strongly negative reaction from most cricket fans, because of the timing, the alien nature of the format and because the impact upon other completions
I question the point of a competition sold as a way to bring more people to cricket if it’s significantly and adversely undermines the game it’s supposed to be promoting.
A final point is that my loyalty is to a very well established and historic club with a long and proud history. I feel absolutely zero affinity to entirely manufactured teams, with frankly silly names playing a format which leaves me absolutely cold.Unless a way is found to play the format without the destructive impact it is having upon the fundamentals of the game it is supposed to promote, then I’m afraid most cricket fans will continue to oppose it.
It's just that some get a kick out of arguing for arguments sake.1 -
IAgree said:Just to point out the “low standard” cricket in August is because the best players are involved with the Hundred. I don’t blame them, they have a living to make, however it’s stretching credulity to suggest that the extra competition doesn’t adversely impact upon a crowded domestic season and inevitably upon the competition it’s directly scheduled against. And of course not playing 50 over cricket will affect the national side. That’s axiomatic! The Hundred did have a direct impact upon the timing of the ashes, and my personal view the very concentrated schedule resultant adversely impacted our performance.
Personally I love the one day game, and have developed an appreciation for T20. I’m not keen upon the Hundred format for probably the same reasons others like it, however all the discussions of how successful & financially sustainable the competition is aside, it is without doubt, highly divisive and generates a strongly negative reaction from most cricket fans, because of the timing, the alien nature of the format and because the impact upon other completions
I question the point of a competition sold as a way to bring more people to cricket if it’s significantly and adversely undermines the game it’s supposed to be promoting.
A final point is that my loyalty is to a very well established and historic club with a long and proud history. I feel absolutely zero affinity to entirely manufactured teams, with frankly silly names playing a format which leaves me absolutely cold.Unless a way is found to play the format without the destructive impact it is having upon the fundamentals of the game it is supposed to promote, then I’m afraid most cricket fans will continue to oppose it.
My view is that talent spread thinly over eighteen counties will be less effective in finessing the talents and skills of elite-level cricketers than a series of ODIs.
With the concentration of England players coming from a small number of Counties, (for example, the current World Cup provisional squad comprises players from one-third of the Counties), a one-day competition would have a proliferation of players not considered good enough to get in the England squad. Most games wouldn't involve a single England player. This is what I regard as dilution. Kent v Sussex, Leicestershire v Worcestershire, Somerset v Glamorgan, Derbyshire v Hampshire - and many more - would involve two teams with no current ODI squad members. Purely as an exercise to prepare England for a World Cup tournament, a domestic (synonymous with "lower standard", in my view) tournament would be an expensive, pointless waste of time.
By definition, England's ODI team is always made up exclusively of international players. Elite players need significant, purposeful, concentrated, competitive conditions in which to test, refine and hone their abilities. England should have packed more ODIs in the days and weeks after The Hundred - at home and away - than they have been able to do. Driving from Canterbury to Taunton to miss a straight one is terrible preparation for a world class tournament; playing a ODI for England is a very good preparation for playing ODIs for England.
I am not saying there's no room for List A matches in county cricket. I am questioning why some people think it's crucial for English players to play domestic fifty over games, but can't explain why the same appears not to be true for most (or any?) of the other World Cup nations.0 -
blackpool72 said:PrincessFiona said:IAgree said:Just to point out the “low standard” cricket in August is because the best players are involved with the Hundred. I don’t blame them, they have a living to make, however it’s stretching credulity to suggest that the extra competition doesn’t adversely impact upon a crowded domestic season and inevitably upon the competition it’s directly scheduled against. And of course not playing 50 over cricket will affect the national side. That’s axiomatic! The Hundred did have a direct impact upon the timing of the ashes, and my personal view the very concentrated schedule resultant adversely impacted our performance.
Personally I love the one day game, and have developed an appreciation for T20. I’m not keen upon the Hundred format for probably the same reasons others like it, however all the discussions of how successful & financially sustainable the competition is aside, it is without doubt, highly divisive and generates a strongly negative reaction from most cricket fans, because of the timing, the alien nature of the format and because the impact upon other completions
I question the point of a competition sold as a way to bring more people to cricket if it’s significantly and adversely undermines the game it’s supposed to be promoting.
A final point is that my loyalty is to a very well established and historic club with a long and proud history. I feel absolutely zero affinity to entirely manufactured teams, with frankly silly names playing a format which leaves me absolutely cold.Unless a way is found to play the format without the destructive impact it is having upon the fundamentals of the game it is supposed to promote, then I’m afraid most cricket fans will continue to oppose it.
It's just that some get a kick out of arguing for arguments sake.0 -
PrincessFiona said:blackpool72 said:PrincessFiona said:IAgree said:Just to point out the “low standard” cricket in August is because the best players are involved with the Hundred. I don’t blame them, they have a living to make, however it’s stretching credulity to suggest that the extra competition doesn’t adversely impact upon a crowded domestic season and inevitably upon the competition it’s directly scheduled against. And of course not playing 50 over cricket will affect the national side. That’s axiomatic! The Hundred did have a direct impact upon the timing of the ashes, and my personal view the very concentrated schedule resultant adversely impacted our performance.
Personally I love the one day game, and have developed an appreciation for T20. I’m not keen upon the Hundred format for probably the same reasons others like it, however all the discussions of how successful & financially sustainable the competition is aside, it is without doubt, highly divisive and generates a strongly negative reaction from most cricket fans, because of the timing, the alien nature of the format and because the impact upon other completions
I question the point of a competition sold as a way to bring more people to cricket if it’s significantly and adversely undermines the game it’s supposed to be promoting.
A final point is that my loyalty is to a very well established and historic club with a long and proud history. I feel absolutely zero affinity to entirely manufactured teams, with frankly silly names playing a format which leaves me absolutely cold.Unless a way is found to play the format without the destructive impact it is having upon the fundamentals of the game it is supposed to promote, then I’m afraid most cricket fans will continue to oppose it.
It's just that some get a kick out of arguing for arguments sake.Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[1][2][3][4] It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate",[5] and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings.[6] The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomic Wondermark by David Malki,[7] which The Independent called "the most apt description of Twitter you'll ever see".[8]
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The sealioner feigns ignorance and politeness while making relentless demands for answers and evidence (while often ignoring or sidestepping any evidence the target has already presented), under the guise of "I'm just trying to have a debate",[1][2][4][9] so that when the target is eventually provoked into an angry response, the sealioner can act as the aggrieved party, and the target presented as closed-minded and unreasonable.[3][10][11] It has been described as "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate".[5] Sealioning can be performed by an individual or by a group acting in concert.[12]
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Covered End said:PrincessFiona said:blackpool72 said:PrincessFiona said:IAgree said:Just to point out the “low standard” cricket in August is because the best players are involved with the Hundred. I don’t blame them, they have a living to make, however it’s stretching credulity to suggest that the extra competition doesn’t adversely impact upon a crowded domestic season and inevitably upon the competition it’s directly scheduled against. And of course not playing 50 over cricket will affect the national side. That’s axiomatic! The Hundred did have a direct impact upon the timing of the ashes, and my personal view the very concentrated schedule resultant adversely impacted our performance.
Personally I love the one day game, and have developed an appreciation for T20. I’m not keen upon the Hundred format for probably the same reasons others like it, however all the discussions of how successful & financially sustainable the competition is aside, it is without doubt, highly divisive and generates a strongly negative reaction from most cricket fans, because of the timing, the alien nature of the format and because the impact upon other completions
I question the point of a competition sold as a way to bring more people to cricket if it’s significantly and adversely undermines the game it’s supposed to be promoting.
A final point is that my loyalty is to a very well established and historic club with a long and proud history. I feel absolutely zero affinity to entirely manufactured teams, with frankly silly names playing a format which leaves me absolutely cold.Unless a way is found to play the format without the destructive impact it is having upon the fundamentals of the game it is supposed to promote, then I’m afraid most cricket fans will continue to oppose it.
It's just that some get a kick out of arguing for arguments sake.Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[1][2][3][4] It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate",[5] and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings.[6] The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomic Wondermark by David Malki,[7] which The Independent called "the most apt description of Twitter you'll ever see".[8]
Description[edit]
The sealioner feigns ignorance and politeness while making relentless demands for answers and evidence (while often ignoring or sidestepping any evidence the target has already presented), under the guise of "I'm just trying to have a debate",[1][2][4][9] so that when the target is eventually provoked into an angry response, the sealioner can act as the aggrieved party, and the target presented as closed-minded and unreasonable.[3][10][11] It has been described as "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate".[5] Sealioning can be performed by an individual or by a group acting in concert.[12]
I always try to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Am generally aware they are being like that but I pretend to take them at face-value and play with a straight bat and not getting angry so I never seem to be seen as closed-minded and unreasonable
I think it just makes them look bad and hopefully I don't!
Let's not bother trying to work out why they are like this though!
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Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.2
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Lol, as opposed to where during the northern hemisphere summer and southern hemisphere winter? Ireland, The Netherlands?
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Chizz said:Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.1
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PrincessFiona said:Lol, as opposed to where during the northern hemisphere summer and southern hemisphere winter? Ireland, The Netherlands?0
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Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.0
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My son is on an group chat with Aussie club mates from his time playing out there in the last two years and asked them whether they had seen the figures of Spencer Johnson (who he played against and follows as a result) a few weeks ago of 3-1 off 20 balls in The Hundred. The standard response was "no" and a few professed to having no idea as to what The Hundred was. International competition my arse!5
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Addick Addict said:My son is on an group chat with Aussie club mates from his time playing out there in the last two years and asked them whether they had seen the figures of Spencer Johnson (who he played against and follows as a result) a few weeks ago of 3-1 off 20 balls in The Hundred. The standard response was "no" and a few professed to having no idea as to what The Hundred was. International competition my arse!0
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Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.1
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Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.2
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Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.
More interesting to me, though, is the rankings of franchise cricket. I would assume the IPL is at the "top" of such rankings, but I didn't know they'd been formally defined. Is there such a list?0 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.0
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Chizz said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.
More interesting to me, though, is the rankings of franchise cricket. I would assume the IPL is at the "top" of such rankings, but I didn't know they'd been formally defined. Is there such a list?
Well the truth is that not all the top seven batsmen in The Hundred played in the IPL and of the top 7 bowlers in The Hundred only 2 played - and they managed just 3 games between them.
And you are correct that the IPL is vastly superior to The Hundred. As evidenced by the lack of quality international players in the ECB's Mickey Mouse competition. But then you knew that and are just looking for your next "victim" to have a pointless argument with. Save your breath for someone who can bother to engage with you.
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I did follow a bit of the BBL draft and did find it incredibly weird. Wasn't helped by Rizwan and Nic Pooran pulling out completely the night before but a lot of passes and a few unusual picks (Corey Anderson??!???)0
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Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.
More interesting to me, though, is the rankings of franchise cricket. I would assume the IPL is at the "top" of such rankings, but I didn't know they'd been formally defined. Is there such a list?0 -
Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Chizz said:Anyway, back to the cricket. It's interesting to see that eighteen of the twenty-one players drafted into the men's BBL have played in the Hundred; and eight of the finalists. It seems the Australians see the Hundred as a major international recruiting ground.
More interesting to me, though, is the rankings of franchise cricket. I would assume the IPL is at the "top" of such rankings, but I didn't know they'd been formally defined. Is there such a list?1 -
Even at a time of goodwill to all and the merriment of Christmas……………. I still absolutely hate it!3
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A well balanced and deeply researched article on The Hundred -
https://beingoutsidecricket.com/2024/02/20/is-the-hundred-a-success/?fbclid=IwAR0f89h7KB7NrPLH3bYwCJIkfh-8su_IOE7bCvG5jUuc8EntG9pdOP6CTDU
For those that don't have the time to wade through the article, the conclusion is that the only real people it has benefitted are the likes of Harrison et al who rode off into the sunset with their bonuses for ruining the game:Conclusion
Everything about The Hundred ranges from a missed opportunity to a fundamentally flawed concept. Even the women’s competition, the one shining beacon of light in the whole thing, fails to lead anywhere else beyond attracting an audience for itself.
Obviously it works out pretty well for some people. Anyone employed as a marketer or PR consultant in North London, for example, or the eight ECB executives who pocketed a huge bonus cheque. A large selection of mediocre men’s T20 cricketers also have good reason to be thankful.
Beyond that, the greatest success The Hundred has had is in persuading people to say that it’s successful.
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Think I saw that Bransgrove is looking to sell his controlling interest in Hampshire to GMR, part owners of the Delhi Capitals.
"GMR Group has a diversified global cricket portfolio with a 50% stake in Delhi Capitals in the IPL and Women’s Premier League in association with JSW Group. Their ownership extends to the Dubai Capitals in the UAE’s ILT20 and a partnership interest in the Seattle Orcas in the USA’s Major League Cricket. In the South African SA20, JSW owns Pretoria Capitals, a subsidiary of the Delhi franchise."
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The England and Wales Cricket board will sell stakes in the eight Hundred teams later this year and says the competition “will play a vital role in the future of our sport”.
An agreement between the ECB and the 18 first-class counties has been reached over the distribution of funds from the sales, set to be worth hundreds of millions.
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Remember The Strauss Review? The one rejected by the Counties. Well look at who is heavily involved in buying into The Hundred!
The former England captain Andrew Strauss is in talks about buying into a Hundred franchise. Strauss’s investment company, TTB Sport Capital, is acting as a consultant on behalf of potential bidders from India, the US and the UK and could even make its own bid.
Strauss joined TTB Sport Capital last year with a brief to lead its cricket investment after two spells at the England and Wales Cricket Board, one as a director and the other in an advisory role, following his illustrious playing career. The 47-year-old is executive chairman and a shareholder in the company so would have a personal stake should it invest in one of the eight Hundred franchises.
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Every mens game has been utter shit and one sided so far
Sold out at the Oval looked empty at Old Trafford , quite busy as The Bowl2