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New England shirt 2024 & St George’s scandal

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  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Shirt's nice.

    Couldn't care less about the flag issue.  Don't remember anyone whinging about the red missing from the Union Jack in 2012:



    People need to stop worrying about minor changes to things that are apparently 'ruining this once great nation', like a small logo on a football top you can choose not to buy, and think about the things (and people) who are really screwing the country.
    Only they did

    Stella McCartney's Team GB outfit for London 2012 comes under fire | Team GB | The Guardian


  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,737
    Apparently lots of arguing online that it is the same colour scheme as the bi-sexual flag.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68634777

    A massive shock as Germany will switch to Nike in 2027, after wearing Adidas for 70 years
    End of a 70 year era.

    Hope the German people are ready for years and years of plain nike template kits
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    Haven't England fans been messing with the flag for years and years, putting their clubs names over it? Not really sure I see the difference. Manufactured outrage. Any politician that comments on this is just pathetic as well as any "journalist" that covers this breaking story.  
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296

  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,031
    cafc999 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Redhenry said:
    don't buy it, some things u just don't mess with...
    Did you have a problem with this kit too? image
    Yes, the whole kit was awful
    Difference between a kit being awful and "disrespecting the flag" though
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Hi Chizz.

    Can you please keep politics off of this page please.

    Cheers.
    😉
  • cafc999 said:
    Shirt's nice.

    Couldn't care less about the flag issue.  Don't remember anyone whinging about the red missing from the Union Jack in 2012:



    People need to stop worrying about minor changes to things that are apparently 'ruining this once great nation', like a small logo on a football top you can choose not to buy, and think about the things (and people) who are really screwing the country.
    Only they did

    Stella McCartney's Team GB outfit for London 2012 comes under fire | Team GB | The Guardian


    A sports psychologist saying taking the red out takes subconscious fear of it away isn't the same thing as the current brouhaha.
  • IMO this is one of the best England shirts in years.

    But there’s a few upset snowflakes over the artistic license used for incorporating blues and purples in the St George’s cross on the collar… personally I think it’s more scandalous that it’ll cost £85 minimum for an adult size.







    The snowflakes are the ones who think it's ok to change the flag of our country for something that has nothing to do with the country or football.
    If it's not supposed to be a St Georges Cross what's the point of putting it on the shirt in the first place.

  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,917
    Is the St George's cross even usually on the shirts? 
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  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    shine166 said:
    Is the St George's cross even usually on the shirts? 
    i believe so in some form, i think the point is if your going to put a national flag on the shirt please at least have the national flag. 
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    Please correct me if i'm wrong, but the England national team only adopted the St George cross within the last 25/30 years, Euro 96 maybe?? Before then the favoured flag was the Union Jack.
  • Lordflashheart
    Lordflashheart Posts: 5,621
    PopIcon said:
    Please correct me if i'm wrong, but the England national team only adopted the St George cross within the last 25/30 years, Euro 96 maybe?? Before then the favoured flag was the Union Jack.
    Ahem, Union Flag

    Re shirt - it’s a pretty lame and lazy design, so typical of Nike - changing the flag is weird, but why am I not surprised in this country these days

    BUT £85 for a shirt - no thanks, I will pass
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    fenaddick said:
    cafc999 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Redhenry said:
    don't buy it, some things u just don't mess with...
    Did you have a problem with this kit too? image
    Yes, the whole kit was awful
    Difference between a kit being awful and "disrespecting the flag" though
    Nobody would have an issue if the cross was monochrome - it isn't and Nike have highlighted it, why did they need to do that?

  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,031
    cafc999 said:
    fenaddick said:
    cafc999 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Redhenry said:
    don't buy it, some things u just don't mess with...
    Did you have a problem with this kit too? image
    Yes, the whole kit was awful
    Difference between a kit being awful and "disrespecting the flag" though
    Nobody would have an issue if the cross was monochrome - it isn't and Nike have highlighted it, why did they need to do that?

    Genuinely don't understand this, what's the issue with the colours? As far as I'm aware Nike haven't said they represent anything so why would monochrome be ok?
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063

    is this OK to do?
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    PopIcon said:
    Please correct me if i'm wrong, but the England national team only adopted the St George cross within the last 25/30 years, Euro 96 maybe?? Before then the favoured flag was the Union Jack.
    A stylised version of St George's Cross appeared for the first time in the 2006-2008 shirt... 

    England 2006-08 Home Shirt XL Excellent 

    It was moved to the back in 2008... 

    England Owen Jersey Euro 2008 Football Mens Retro Home Shirt Size Adult XXL - Picture 1 of 6


    It disappeared altogether in 2010... 

    2010-12 England Umbro Home Shirt L 

    ...and has remained off the (home) shirt since then.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,917
    edited March 2024
    Cool, so for the 18th year in a row it a has either not been there at all or has been modified.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    fenaddick said:
    cafc999 said:
    fenaddick said:
    cafc999 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Redhenry said:
    don't buy it, some things u just don't mess with...
    Did you have a problem with this kit too? image
    Yes, the whole kit was awful
    Difference between a kit being awful and "disrespecting the flag" though
    Nobody would have an issue if the cross was monochrome - it isn't and Nike have highlighted it, why did they need to do that?

    Genuinely don't understand this, what's the issue with the colours? As far as I'm aware Nike haven't said they represent anything so why would monochrome be ok?

    Why did Nike feel the need to say "Playful update" into the press release and now look at some of the images flying around and you will see

    Lot's of clubs / teams have monochrome badges to make it appear fashionable, in fact England have done so on many an occasion and nobody has batted an eyelid.


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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Apparently lots of arguing online that it is the same colour scheme as the bi-sexual flag.

    Except it isn’t 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,168
    I couldn't care less what an England shirt looks like to be honest especially if it's £85, which is the real scandal. I have to say though, Nike changing the colours on the cross to something that they without a doubt would have known would draw out the anti-woke crowd on Twitter and then bodying them by saying it's a tribute to the training kit the 1966 World Cup winning team - every patriotic football fan's spiritual kings - wore is unbelievably high level bait and switch trolling.
    I sort of respect it because it's quite funny, but I also realise that they've done this specifically to get as many eyes as possible on a white t-shirt they've had made in definitely not a sweat shop. They've fiddled around with the tint on a computer and they've got the Prime Minister commenting on a t-shirt within a day. That will drive engagement, which is how all worth is apparently measured these days, and for every one adult refusing to buy it because they've messed with tradition there will be 50 kids asking their parents to spend a genuinely incredible £65 on a shirt they'll grow out of in a year because it's the thing everyone is talking about. The tabloids are frothing at the mouths already and Raheem Sterling probably isn't even going to be in the squad. It's a dystopian nightmare and we're all living in it.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    shine166 said:
    Cool, so for the 18th year in a row it a has either not been there at all or has been modified.
    Yes.  And for the 1,069 years between the formation of England in 937 and the launch of the 2006 kit, it wasn't there at all. 
  • Tbh if you dont like just dont buy it ? What difference does it make to your life if someone else wants to wear a purple cross instead of a red one.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Yes, the real outrage is the price - that is shocking
  • cafc999 said:
    Yes, the real outrage is the price - that is shocking
    How much is it again £100 ?
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    cafc999 said:
    Yes, the real outrage is the price - that is shocking
    How much is it again £100 ?
    £85 for the replica
    £125 for the player version (and yes, their is a difference)

  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    edited March 2024
    cafc999 said:
    Shirt's nice.

    Couldn't care less about the flag issue.  Don't remember anyone whinging about the red missing from the Union Jack in 2012:



    People need to stop worrying about minor changes to things that are apparently 'ruining this once great nation', like a small logo on a football top you can choose not to buy, and think about the things (and people) who are really screwing the country.
    Only they did

    Stella McCartney's Team GB outfit for London 2012 comes under fire | Team GB | The Guardian


    And what a nightmare London 2012 was for Team GB
  • Ok £85 isnt too bad but £125 ? Though saying that im saying £85 isnt too bad if i was a single parent or on low income i suppose it could be too much.

    Aswell its mainly gonna target kids isnt it ? As a man in my 30s ive kind of outgrown the trend of buying the latest football shirt and on the occasion i do its usually just a vintage style.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,033
    The price is the thing worth getting bothered about. Kit prices are getting absolutely out of hand and with most teams changing 3 shirts a year at £85 a go it's just becoming a cashgrab.