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Quite a brutal sport to only have one run for the medals.1
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SELR_addicks said:
They were testosterone tests.KBslittlesis said:This athlete failed two biochemical tests set out by the boxing association.
Two.
They deemed this athlete was not suitable to fight in women’s boxing.
Yet the Olympics Association has chosen to ignore this.The Paralympic’s manages to set clear definition in categories for all athletes to compete fairly, why can’t the same be applied if this really is more of an issue than just being a man or a woman?
If there really are countless humans out there that don’t easily fall into either category then a complete overhaul should be considered.
And as such, until then, all we can do is follow the science as has been suggested. And as such, this athlete should not have been allowed in the ring today.
These women aren't doping, they have naturally occuring testosterone due to medical/natural advantages given to them at birth.
They are factually women. Where you set the rules doesn't change that they are women competing in a women's event. If you decide that testosterone levels should be set as a rule, then you are choosing to exclude women from a women's event and shouldn't be done lightly.
As a sidenote: Khelif (the women in question) competed in Tokyo 4 years ago but there was no outcry. Why? Because she was beaten in the quarter finals.No, the IBA statement that @KBslittlesis posted a couple of pages ago specifically says it wasn't a testosterone test but something else. And there is a vast difference between the "naturally high" testosterone levels that a female athlete (say one with PCOS) has, and those of one that has a male DSD like Caster Semenya, where they've got XY chromosomes and internal testes, produce testosterone at close to normal male levels and have a body that can use it. If you've been incorrectly assigned as female at birth due to a male DSD, you may be socially female but still have male sporting advantage, and in punching sports like boxing that is particularly acute, given male punch strength is more than double female one. It's a matter of safety, not just fairness.8 -
I didn't take the quiz - tbh, I thought the fact I've never been attracted to or shagged any men probably meant it was a foregone conclusion... 😏cafcpolo said:
What were the results? You're posting history is a little ambiguous on this 🤣Leroy Ambrose said:Advertising on point on this thread...
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Or you're really ugly, and all the men rejected youLeroy Ambrose said:
I didn't take the quiz - tbh, I thought the fact I've never been attracted to or shagged any men probably meant it was a foregone conclusion... 😏cafcpolo said:
What were the results? You're posting history is a little ambiguous on this 🤣Leroy Ambrose said:Advertising on point on this thread...
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Didn’t the uk used the Olympic course before the actual Olympics before 2012?golfaddick said:Canoe slalom.
19 yr old Frenchman going in the final. Slight advantage as he trains on this course EVERY DAY for the past 3 years.
Hardly fair now is it. Should have a new / difference course for the Olympics surely.0 -
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Thinking they should have the best of 3 runs. Or even best of 2 like the BMX's yesterday. Strange how your qualifying time counts for nowt.killerandflash said:Quite a brutal sport to only have one run for the medals.1 -
Kayak Cross sounds like it's going to be good fun to watch if it's anywhere near as chaotic as Snowboard Cross is at the winter games.3
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To be honest, that might be the case now. In fact, it IS the case now. But I was a handsome motherfucker when I was young (OK, not 'handsome' but 'less ugly') and actually ran a bar in a club that ran gay nights and used to get chatted up by blokes a lot. Fuck knows why - I had long hair, which - going by every single gay bloke I've ever known or met - is about as common in the gay community as tits on a bull, but there we go. In the words of Al Murray 'I WAS NEVER CONFUSED'killerandflash said:
Or you're really ugly, and all the men rejected youLeroy Ambrose said:
I didn't take the quiz - tbh, I thought the fact I've never been attracted to or shagged any men probably meant it was a foregone conclusion... 😏cafcpolo said:
What were the results? You're posting history is a little ambiguous on this 🤣Leroy Ambrose said:Advertising on point on this thread...
Still not sure what the point of the 'quiz' is in the ad though. Surely it's pretty self explanatory? 🤣0 - Sponsored links:
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Speed walking looks ridiculous. Should it really be an Olympic sport0
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I don’t believe the IBA are particularly credible on this issue.aliwibble said:SELR_addicks said:
They were testosterone tests.KBslittlesis said:This athlete failed two biochemical tests set out by the boxing association.
Two.
They deemed this athlete was not suitable to fight in women’s boxing.
Yet the Olympics Association has chosen to ignore this.The Paralympic’s manages to set clear definition in categories for all athletes to compete fairly, why can’t the same be applied if this really is more of an issue than just being a man or a woman?
If there really are countless humans out there that don’t easily fall into either category then a complete overhaul should be considered.
And as such, until then, all we can do is follow the science as has been suggested. And as such, this athlete should not have been allowed in the ring today.
These women aren't doping, they have naturally occuring testosterone due to medical/natural advantages given to them at birth.
They are factually women. Where you set the rules doesn't change that they are women competing in a women's event. If you decide that testosterone levels should be set as a rule, then you are choosing to exclude women from a women's event and shouldn't be done lightly.
As a sidenote: Khelif (the women in question) competed in Tokyo 4 years ago but there was no outcry. Why? Because she was beaten in the quarter finals.No, the IBA statement that @KBslittlesis posted a couple of pages ago specifically says it wasn't a testosterone test but something else. And there is a vast difference between the "naturally high" testosterone levels that a female athlete (say one with PCOS) has, and those of one that has a male DSD like Caster Semenya, where they've got XY chromosomes and internal testes, produce testosterone at close to normal male levels and have a body that can use it. If you've been incorrectly assigned as female at birth due to a male DSD, you may be socially female but still have male sporting advantage, and in punching sports like boxing that is particularly acute, given male punch strength is more than double female one. It's a matter of safety, not just fairness.
“We have evidence that this athlete isn’t male but we’re not going to tell you what it is, just believe us”
Must be a coincidence that the Russian led IBA only DQ’ed Khelif from their competitions a few days after she had beaten a Russian opponent in the World Boxing Championship.
You’re right that if it’s a DSD situation then it becomes a very complex one but at the moment all that’s happened is the IBA have whipped up an anti-LGBTQ frenzy without producing any evidence for their claims.1 -
I was thinking that. It's a short event, so it's not as if going twice would be too time consuming or tiring.golfaddick said:
Thinking they should have the best of 3 runs. Or even best of 2 like the BMX's yesterday. Strange how your qualifying time counts for nowt.killerandflash said:Quite a brutal sport to only have one run for the medals.0 -
Absolutely ridiculous stress on hip flexors, core, ankles and feet - and more racewalkers are injured or collapse than marathon runners.Chunes said:Speed walking looks ridiculous. Should it really be an Olympic sport2 -
It does look ridiculous, but I sat and watched the last 6km and it looked gruelling as fuck. Was fairly entertaining as well.Chunes said:Speed walking looks ridiculous. Should it really be an Olympic sport1 -
and i reckon 75% of the time they do have both feet off the ground
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I remember trying it at school, and trying hard not to laugh as it's such an unnatural sport.0
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Yes, but having a smaller undercarriage made him more aero in his skinsuit so it all balanced outLeroy Ambrose said:This is a non-issue, surely?
Born a woman, competes in women's boxing. Unless she's intersex (a la Caster Semenya, when it's a much more difficult decision) then she has no case to answer.
For a parallel, Chris Boardman was measured as having LOW testosterone for a male, so you could argue that he had a natural disadvantage, and competed in a sport where testosterone is routinely abused by men to give them an unnatural advantage.3 -
Yeah - now that's a definite point. It's almost impossible to catch it on camera, and they're so good at it that it requires loads of spotters to check - with the penalties seeming pretty arbitrary tbhMrOneLung said:and i reckon 75% of the time they do have both feet off the ground0 -
Alice Kinsella in the gymnastics now1
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I do reckon that if it was a film Turkish guy would take out the Korean assassin, sort of like that scene in Indiana Jones where he just tiredly sighs and shoots the guy with the massive knife.Huskaris said:
I prefer the Turkish chap, that South Korean woman is trying WAY too hard...North Lower Neil said:So, favourite Olympian so far?
Honourable mention to the Pommel Horse guy:
https://x.com/DogsNDemocrats/status/1818199852267803089
But mine is between two people in the shooting.
There's the guy who didn't bother with any of the lenses etc, and won a silver with his hand in his pocket:
https://x.com/TheFigen_/status/1818975842640302399
and the Korean who has an awesome stone cold assassin look about her:
https://x.com/Joshdaddy_SG/status/18183182353785614101 -
Georgian Judo players looks a tad disappointed with Silver. It went to VAR, but I've no idea what he done wrong0
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Basketball 3x3, first time I've seen this0
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Never play NBA Street on the PS2 back in the day?Gribbo said:Basketball 3x3, first time I've seen this
Absolute classic.0 -
After my time mate.North Lower Neil said:
Never play NBA Street on the PS2 back in the day?Gribbo said:Basketball 3x3, first time I've seen this
Absolute classic.
Only just completed Goldeneye on Gamecube1 -
I read that they installed special cameras a few years back to detect when both feet were off the ground or knees were bent. But the cameras found that so many racers were so breaking the rules so frequently that they just got rid of the technology in the end. Leaves me wondering what the rules actually are.Leroy Ambrose said:
Yeah - now that's a definite point. It's almost impossible to catch it on camera, and they're so good at it that it requires loads of spotters to check - with the penalties seeming pretty arbitrary tbhMrOneLung said:and i reckon 75% of the time they do have both feet off the ground0 -
They even installed that each inspector can only give one red card per walker0
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Goldeneye multiplayer should be an Olympic sport!Gribbo said:
After my time mate.North Lower Neil said:
Never play NBA Street on the PS2 back in the day?Gribbo said:Basketball 3x3, first time I've seen this
Absolute classic.
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Until Chunes post it seemed inconceivable that in 21st century, technology can't intervene. Answer is probably some cheap tech that walkers can use to train out their own misdemeanors.MrOneLung said:and i reckon 75% of the time they do have both feet off the ground0
