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Corey Blackett-Taylor - (p34 - signed for Derby on loan til the end of the season)
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Corey Blackett-Taylor had lost his way at Tranmere after being highly rated at Villa in his youth career.
CBT had to pay his own expenses for a trial to come down to Sparrows lane. Mentally tough for a footballer who had 4 England U19 caps.
Good decision by someone at CAFC to offer him a contract that would've been modest.
His time at Charlton was a success. A fast two footed player who could go from looking like a world beater to a park footballer from 1 match to the next but his stats in his last two seasons at CAFC were impressive.
Never a wing back and I personally would've rotated him more to take on the weakest full back of the opposition and concentrate on being a forward/wideman/striker with less defensive responsibility.
It was right if we received half a million for him that he moved on as he really didn't fit in with the Nathan Jones template.
My opinion is he had a successful time at Charlton in a bang average team ( some say Shit team !)
Difficult start to his time at Derby as he does suffer with niggling issues and his confidence can dip.
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Would be a good game changer from the bench if they want to send him back6
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Swisdom said:WishIdStayedinthePub said:I may have this wrong, but didn't he struggle with a couple of clubs before us? If so, it's a lesson for players that, if it clicks somewhere, you might be better staying.
There's plenty of analogies in the 'real world' of work. But then we don't usually have the risk of a career ending injury and a 5-year insurance payout at current salary. I think that's what swings it in the end.
A happy player will perform better. At Villa he wasn't good enough, at Tranmere he was ok and got noticed, with us he was made to feel special and we got the best out of him.
His agent thought he was suddenly Billy Big Bollocks and that CBT was ready to conquer the world but I think deep-down, Corey needs to feel the love and a club like Derby has a very expectant crowd who clearly got on his back from the first minute and so he's gone backwards and is more withdrawn.
Yet another example of a player letting their agent tell them anything and believing the shit they spout. Some agents just want to move players around like a commodity for a commission whereas the good ones actually give a shit about the player and their welfare.
So the old question is, what is the ratio of "good" agents to the rest? My perception is that the good are a small minority. Given that I'm not remotely wired in to the football biz world, how can I rationally justify that claim? The answer is: the business model of the football agent sector is set up to attract wrong'uns, because the financial reward for moving players greatly outweighs the reward of helping them plan their careers for a fixed fee, thus allowing the agent to recommend staying put sometimes. Until that model is changed, which would now be extremely difficult, that's how it will be. And that is bad for football.2 -
PragueAddick said:Swisdom said:WishIdStayedinthePub said:I may have this wrong, but didn't he struggle with a couple of clubs before us? If so, it's a lesson for players that, if it clicks somewhere, you might be better staying.
There's plenty of analogies in the 'real world' of work. But then we don't usually have the risk of a career ending injury and a 5-year insurance payout at current salary. I think that's what swings it in the end.
A happy player will perform better. At Villa he wasn't good enough, at Tranmere he was ok and got noticed, with us he was made to feel special and we got the best out of him.
His agent thought he was suddenly Billy Big Bollocks and that CBT was ready to conquer the world but I think deep-down, Corey needs to feel the love and a club like Derby has a very expectant crowd who clearly got on his back from the first minute and so he's gone backwards and is more withdrawn.
Yet another example of a player letting their agent tell them anything and believing the shit they spout. Some agents just want to move players around like a commodity for a commission whereas the good ones actually give a shit about the player and their welfare.
So the old question is, what is the ratio of "good" agents to the rest? My perception is that the good are a small minority. Given that I'm not remotely wired in to the football biz world, how can I rationally justify that claim? The answer is: the business model of the football agent sector is set up to attract wrong'uns, because the financial reward for moving players greatly outweighs the reward of helping them plan their careers for a fixed fee, thus allowing the agent to recommend staying put sometimes. Until that model is changed, which would now be extremely difficult, that's how it will be. And that is bad for football.
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Regardless of how good he was, and I liked him a lot, we did extremely well to get a fee in January for a player who didn't fit into our system, would have absolutely been dragged off by Jones when he didn't do his tracking and pressing, and was out of contract at the end of the season7
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Garrymanilow said:Regardless of how good he was, and I liked him a lot, we did extremely well to get a fee in January for a player who didn't fit into our system, would have absolutely been dragged off by Jones when he didn't do his tracking and pressing, and was out of contract at the end of the season1
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Can’t blame an agent for getting his client a good/great deal. If anybody is to blame (this is not a dig at CBT or anybody else named in the thread) then the player has to carry it. Their agent gets them a good/great deal but that comes with an implied caveat that the step up in money requires a similar step up in performance, more so because when you move jobs you are working with new management, new colleagues and new systems -rocking up at any new job and not adapting quickly and earning your bigger salary isn’t an option whether it’s football or any other profession.
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Garrymanilow said:Regardless of how good he was, and I liked him a lot, we did extremely well to get a fee in January for a player who didn't fit into our system, would have absolutely been dragged off by Jones when he didn't do his tracking and pressing, and was out of contract at the end of the season
That may have worked for him with his pace, control and shooting on the run ability?
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fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:Swisdom said:WishIdStayedinthePub said:I may have this wrong, but didn't he struggle with a couple of clubs before us? If so, it's a lesson for players that, if it clicks somewhere, you might be better staying.
There's plenty of analogies in the 'real world' of work. But then we don't usually have the risk of a career ending injury and a 5-year insurance payout at current salary. I think that's what swings it in the end.
A happy player will perform better. At Villa he wasn't good enough, at Tranmere he was ok and got noticed, with us he was made to feel special and we got the best out of him.
His agent thought he was suddenly Billy Big Bollocks and that CBT was ready to conquer the world but I think deep-down, Corey needs to feel the love and a club like Derby has a very expectant crowd who clearly got on his back from the first minute and so he's gone backwards and is more withdrawn.
Yet another example of a player letting their agent tell them anything and believing the shit they spout. Some agents just want to move players around like a commodity for a commission whereas the good ones actually give a shit about the player and their welfare.
So the old question is, what is the ratio of "good" agents to the rest? My perception is that the good are a small minority. Given that I'm not remotely wired in to the football biz world, how can I rationally justify that claim? The answer is: the business model of the football agent sector is set up to attract wrong'uns, because the financial reward for moving players greatly outweighs the reward of helping them plan their careers for a fixed fee, thus allowing the agent to recommend staying put sometimes. Until that model is changed, which would now be extremely difficult, that's how it will be. And that is bad for football.1 -
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PragueAddick said:fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:Swisdom said:WishIdStayedinthePub said:I may have this wrong, but didn't he struggle with a couple of clubs before us? If so, it's a lesson for players that, if it clicks somewhere, you might be better staying.
There's plenty of analogies in the 'real world' of work. But then we don't usually have the risk of a career ending injury and a 5-year insurance payout at current salary. I think that's what swings it in the end.
A happy player will perform better. At Villa he wasn't good enough, at Tranmere he was ok and got noticed, with us he was made to feel special and we got the best out of him.
His agent thought he was suddenly Billy Big Bollocks and that CBT was ready to conquer the world but I think deep-down, Corey needs to feel the love and a club like Derby has a very expectant crowd who clearly got on his back from the first minute and so he's gone backwards and is more withdrawn.
Yet another example of a player letting their agent tell them anything and believing the shit they spout. Some agents just want to move players around like a commodity for a commission whereas the good ones actually give a shit about the player and their welfare.
So the old question is, what is the ratio of "good" agents to the rest? My perception is that the good are a small minority. Given that I'm not remotely wired in to the football biz world, how can I rationally justify that claim? The answer is: the business model of the football agent sector is set up to attract wrong'uns, because the financial reward for moving players greatly outweighs the reward of helping them plan their careers for a fixed fee, thus allowing the agent to recommend staying put sometimes. Until that model is changed, which would now be extremely difficult, that's how it will be. And that is bad for football.
I think ultimately with agents it comes down to if they’re short term or long term minded. CBT and Dobson’s agents have both taken the short term route, I would imagine Kanu or Anderson’s agents have taken the longer term.
All industries attract people who will prioritise their own short term gain, doesn’t make it fair to tarnish them all with the same brush.0 -
fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:Swisdom said:WishIdStayedinthePub said:I may have this wrong, but didn't he struggle with a couple of clubs before us? If so, it's a lesson for players that, if it clicks somewhere, you might be better staying.
There's plenty of analogies in the 'real world' of work. But then we don't usually have the risk of a career ending injury and a 5-year insurance payout at current salary. I think that's what swings it in the end.
A happy player will perform better. At Villa he wasn't good enough, at Tranmere he was ok and got noticed, with us he was made to feel special and we got the best out of him.
His agent thought he was suddenly Billy Big Bollocks and that CBT was ready to conquer the world but I think deep-down, Corey needs to feel the love and a club like Derby has a very expectant crowd who clearly got on his back from the first minute and so he's gone backwards and is more withdrawn.
Yet another example of a player letting their agent tell them anything and believing the shit they spout. Some agents just want to move players around like a commodity for a commission whereas the good ones actually give a shit about the player and their welfare.
So the old question is, what is the ratio of "good" agents to the rest? My perception is that the good are a small minority. Given that I'm not remotely wired in to the football biz world, how can I rationally justify that claim? The answer is: the business model of the football agent sector is set up to attract wrong'uns, because the financial reward for moving players greatly outweighs the reward of helping them plan their careers for a fixed fee, thus allowing the agent to recommend staying put sometimes. Until that model is changed, which would now be extremely difficult, that's how it will be. And that is bad for football.
I think ultimately with agents it comes down to if they’re short term or long term minded. CBT and Dobson’s agents have both taken the short term route, I would imagine Kanu or Anderson’s agents have taken the longer term.
All industries attract people who will prioritise their own short term gain, doesn’t make it fair to tarnish them all with the same brush.0 -
PragueAddick said:fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:Swisdom said:WishIdStayedinthePub said:I may have this wrong, but didn't he struggle with a couple of clubs before us? If so, it's a lesson for players that, if it clicks somewhere, you might be better staying.
There's plenty of analogies in the 'real world' of work. But then we don't usually have the risk of a career ending injury and a 5-year insurance payout at current salary. I think that's what swings it in the end.
A happy player will perform better. At Villa he wasn't good enough, at Tranmere he was ok and got noticed, with us he was made to feel special and we got the best out of him.
His agent thought he was suddenly Billy Big Bollocks and that CBT was ready to conquer the world but I think deep-down, Corey needs to feel the love and a club like Derby has a very expectant crowd who clearly got on his back from the first minute and so he's gone backwards and is more withdrawn.
Yet another example of a player letting their agent tell them anything and believing the shit they spout. Some agents just want to move players around like a commodity for a commission whereas the good ones actually give a shit about the player and their welfare.
So the old question is, what is the ratio of "good" agents to the rest? My perception is that the good are a small minority. Given that I'm not remotely wired in to the football biz world, how can I rationally justify that claim? The answer is: the business model of the football agent sector is set up to attract wrong'uns, because the financial reward for moving players greatly outweighs the reward of helping them plan their careers for a fixed fee, thus allowing the agent to recommend staying put sometimes. Until that model is changed, which would now be extremely difficult, that's how it will be. And that is bad for football.
I think ultimately with agents it comes down to if they’re short term or long term minded. CBT and Dobson’s agents have both taken the short term route, I would imagine Kanu or Anderson’s agents have taken the longer term.
All industries attract people who will prioritise their own short term gain, doesn’t make it fair to tarnish them all with the same brush.1 -
Oggy Red said:Garrymanilow said:Regardless of how good he was, and I liked him a lot, we did extremely well to get a fee in January for a player who didn't fit into our system, would have absolutely been dragged off by Jones when he didn't do his tracking and pressing, and was out of contract at the end of the season
That may have worked for him with his pace, control and shooting on the run ability?
Maybe a 2nd half player similar to Chuks to lead the attack and commit the last defender. It alway seemed pointless CBT getting the ball too deep. In this stronger organized team with a plan now he could've been the X factor player.
Corey, like Alfie and George are history now and we move on to a stronger all round team 🤞
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Who ? In all seriousness the quality of signing and style of football has increased dramatically since CBT was a guaranteed name on the sheet at Charlton.0
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letthegoodtimesroll said:Can’t blame an agent for getting his client a good/great deal. If anybody is to blame (this is not a dig at CBT or anybody else named in the thread) then the player has to carry it. Their agent gets them a good/great deal but that comes with an implied caveat that the step up in money requires a similar step up in performance, more so because when you move jobs you are working with new management, new colleagues and new systems -rocking up at any new job and not adapting quickly and earning your bigger salary isn’t an option whether it’s football or any other profession.
Is the wage more important or the "fit" more important?
Serious question.
Hypothetical scenario- I'm trying to help a player . A Very good player who is 21. Free Agent (previous club breached contract). He ideally wants to stay in Europe and is looking for around €10-€15k a week
But there is an offer from Saudi offering between €20 - €40k a week. He's a free agent so can move outside of the window but he just wants to play.
As his agent - would you suggest Saudi as the best bet for a year to bulk up the bank balance and MAYBE play with some legends? commission could be as much as 10% of wages so €2-4k a week
Or would you advise to stay in Europe and see if he can get €10k meaning a commission of maybe €1k a week
This is where you need to understand the motivation of the player. Are they money-driven or are they more interested in their career? This is when an agent earns his corn. Understanding the player and what they want should ALWAYS come first.
But, working in the industry, I see how too many agents think and I know which option they would go for
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fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:Swisdom said:WishIdStayedinthePub said:I may have this wrong, but didn't he struggle with a couple of clubs before us? If so, it's a lesson for players that, if it clicks somewhere, you might be better staying.
There's plenty of analogies in the 'real world' of work. But then we don't usually have the risk of a career ending injury and a 5-year insurance payout at current salary. I think that's what swings it in the end.
A happy player will perform better. At Villa he wasn't good enough, at Tranmere he was ok and got noticed, with us he was made to feel special and we got the best out of him.
His agent thought he was suddenly Billy Big Bollocks and that CBT was ready to conquer the world but I think deep-down, Corey needs to feel the love and a club like Derby has a very expectant crowd who clearly got on his back from the first minute and so he's gone backwards and is more withdrawn.
Yet another example of a player letting their agent tell them anything and believing the shit they spout. Some agents just want to move players around like a commodity for a commission whereas the good ones actually give a shit about the player and their welfare.
So the old question is, what is the ratio of "good" agents to the rest? My perception is that the good are a small minority. Given that I'm not remotely wired in to the football biz world, how can I rationally justify that claim? The answer is: the business model of the football agent sector is set up to attract wrong'uns, because the financial reward for moving players greatly outweighs the reward of helping them plan their careers for a fixed fee, thus allowing the agent to recommend staying put sometimes. Until that model is changed, which would now be extremely difficult, that's how it will be. And that is bad for football.
I think ultimately with agents it comes down to if they’re short term or long term minded. CBT and Dobson’s agents have both taken the short term route, I would imagine Kanu or Anderson’s agents have taken the longer term.
All industries attract people who will prioritise their own short term gain, doesn’t make it fair to tarnish them all with the same brush.0 -
Swisdom said:letthegoodtimesroll said:Can’t blame an agent for getting his client a good/great deal. If anybody is to blame (this is not a dig at CBT or anybody else named in the thread) then the player has to carry it. Their agent gets them a good/great deal but that comes with an implied caveat that the step up in money requires a similar step up in performance, more so because when you move jobs you are working with new management, new colleagues and new systems -rocking up at any new job and not adapting quickly and earning your bigger salary isn’t an option whether it’s football or any other profession.
Is the wage more important or the "fit" more important?
Serious question.
Hypothetical scenario- I'm trying to help a player . A Very good player who is 21. Free Agent (previous club breached contract). He ideally wants to stay in Europe and is looking for around €10-€15k a week
But there is an offer from Saudi offering between €20 - €40k a week. He's a free agent so can move outside of the window but he just wants to play.
As his agent - would you suggest Saudi as the best bet for a year to bulk up the bank balance and MAYBE play with some legends? commission could be as much as 10% of wages so €2-4k a week
Or would you advise to stay in Europe and see if he can get €10k meaning a commission of maybe €1k a week
This is where you need to understand the motivation of the player. Are they money-driven or are they more interested in their career? This is when an agent earns his corn. Understanding the player and what they want should ALWAYS come first.
But, working in the industry, I see how too many agents think and I know which option they would go for
An agent can't force a player to sign for a club anymore than a club can force a player to go on loan.0 -
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He did really well for us in a very average period of our history. Looking into it, how many of his big moments were against the top opposition in the league at the time? Look past the emotion of enjoyment he gave us in a bleak time, the lack of progress he’s had since he left doesn’t come as a surprise.
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drawnablank said:He did really well for us in a very average period of our history. Looking into it, how many of his big moments were against the top opposition in the league at the time? Look past the emotion of enjoyment he gave us in a bleak time, the lack of progress he’s had since he left doesn’t come as a surprise.2
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It was the right move to sell him as he didn't suit our system going forward or Nathan Jones' style of play, but lets not underplay how important he was for us. Without the 8 goals he scored for us last season, we would have been in an even more precarious position.
He's a perfect player for a team that plays 433 with inverted wingers. The previous season with CBT on the left and Rak-Sakhi on the right, we just needed a physical but mobile striker in the middle to have a very good strike force.4 -
Redhenry said:
Rose tinted.
Passable player nothing more.4 -
LTKapal said:Redhenry said:
Rose tinted.
Passable player nothing more.0 -
PragueAddick said:fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:Swisdom said:WishIdStayedinthePub said:I may have this wrong, but didn't he struggle with a couple of clubs before us? If so, it's a lesson for players that, if it clicks somewhere, you might be better staying.
There's plenty of analogies in the 'real world' of work. But then we don't usually have the risk of a career ending injury and a 5-year insurance payout at current salary. I think that's what swings it in the end.
A happy player will perform better. At Villa he wasn't good enough, at Tranmere he was ok and got noticed, with us he was made to feel special and we got the best out of him.
His agent thought he was suddenly Billy Big Bollocks and that CBT was ready to conquer the world but I think deep-down, Corey needs to feel the love and a club like Derby has a very expectant crowd who clearly got on his back from the first minute and so he's gone backwards and is more withdrawn.
Yet another example of a player letting their agent tell them anything and believing the shit they spout. Some agents just want to move players around like a commodity for a commission whereas the good ones actually give a shit about the player and their welfare.
So the old question is, what is the ratio of "good" agents to the rest? My perception is that the good are a small minority. Given that I'm not remotely wired in to the football biz world, how can I rationally justify that claim? The answer is: the business model of the football agent sector is set up to attract wrong'uns, because the financial reward for moving players greatly outweighs the reward of helping them plan their careers for a fixed fee, thus allowing the agent to recommend staying put sometimes. Until that model is changed, which would now be extremely difficult, that's how it will be. And that is bad for football.0 -
LTKapal said:Redhenry said:
Rose tinted.
Passable player nothing more.While JRS was clearly the better all round player, CBTs end product wasn’t an issue last season. No winger in this league gets 15/20 assists in half a season.13 -
Rob7Lee said:PragueAddick said:fenaddick said:PragueAddick said:Swisdom said:WishIdStayedinthePub said:I may have this wrong, but didn't he struggle with a couple of clubs before us? If so, it's a lesson for players that, if it clicks somewhere, you might be better staying.
There's plenty of analogies in the 'real world' of work. But then we don't usually have the risk of a career ending injury and a 5-year insurance payout at current salary. I think that's what swings it in the end.
A happy player will perform better. At Villa he wasn't good enough, at Tranmere he was ok and got noticed, with us he was made to feel special and we got the best out of him.
His agent thought he was suddenly Billy Big Bollocks and that CBT was ready to conquer the world but I think deep-down, Corey needs to feel the love and a club like Derby has a very expectant crowd who clearly got on his back from the first minute and so he's gone backwards and is more withdrawn.
Yet another example of a player letting their agent tell them anything and believing the shit they spout. Some agents just want to move players around like a commodity for a commission whereas the good ones actually give a shit about the player and their welfare.
So the old question is, what is the ratio of "good" agents to the rest? My perception is that the good are a small minority. Given that I'm not remotely wired in to the football biz world, how can I rationally justify that claim? The answer is: the business model of the football agent sector is set up to attract wrong'uns, because the financial reward for moving players greatly outweighs the reward of helping them plan their careers for a fixed fee, thus allowing the agent to recommend staying put sometimes. Until that model is changed, which would now be extremely difficult, that's how it will be. And that is bad for football.Compared to the historic, and now illegal, pensions “adviser” model where the agent and the insurer decided how much to skim if the investor’s money and how to disguise it, player agents are pussy cats.1 -
Stu_of_Kunming said:Swisdom said:letthegoodtimesroll said:Can’t blame an agent for getting his client a good/great deal. If anybody is to blame (this is not a dig at CBT or anybody else named in the thread) then the player has to carry it. Their agent gets them a good/great deal but that comes with an implied caveat that the step up in money requires a similar step up in performance, more so because when you move jobs you are working with new management, new colleagues and new systems -rocking up at any new job and not adapting quickly and earning your bigger salary isn’t an option whether it’s football or any other profession.
Is the wage more important or the "fit" more important?
Serious question.
Hypothetical scenario- I'm trying to help a player . A Very good player who is 21. Free Agent (previous club breached contract). He ideally wants to stay in Europe and is looking for around €10-€15k a week
But there is an offer from Saudi offering between €20 - €40k a week. He's a free agent so can move outside of the window but he just wants to play.
As his agent - would you suggest Saudi as the best bet for a year to bulk up the bank balance and MAYBE play with some legends? commission could be as much as 10% of wages so €2-4k a week
Or would you advise to stay in Europe and see if he can get €10k meaning a commission of maybe €1k a week
This is where you need to understand the motivation of the player. Are they money-driven or are they more interested in their career? This is when an agent earns his corn. Understanding the player and what they want should ALWAYS come first.
But, working in the industry, I see how too many agents think and I know which option they would go for
An agent can't force a player to sign for a club anymore than a club can force a player to go on loan.0 -
PragueAddick said:Stu_of_Kunming said:Swisdom said:letthegoodtimesroll said:Can’t blame an agent for getting his client a good/great deal. If anybody is to blame (this is not a dig at CBT or anybody else named in the thread) then the player has to carry it. Their agent gets them a good/great deal but that comes with an implied caveat that the step up in money requires a similar step up in performance, more so because when you move jobs you are working with new management, new colleagues and new systems -rocking up at any new job and not adapting quickly and earning your bigger salary isn’t an option whether it’s football or any other profession.
Is the wage more important or the "fit" more important?
Serious question.
Hypothetical scenario- I'm trying to help a player . A Very good player who is 21. Free Agent (previous club breached contract). He ideally wants to stay in Europe and is looking for around €10-€15k a week
But there is an offer from Saudi offering between €20 - €40k a week. He's a free agent so can move outside of the window but he just wants to play.
As his agent - would you suggest Saudi as the best bet for a year to bulk up the bank balance and MAYBE play with some legends? commission could be as much as 10% of wages so €2-4k a week
Or would you advise to stay in Europe and see if he can get €10k meaning a commission of maybe €1k a week
This is where you need to understand the motivation of the player. Are they money-driven or are they more interested in their career? This is when an agent earns his corn. Understanding the player and what they want should ALWAYS come first.
But, working in the industry, I see how too many agents think and I know which option they would go for
An agent can't force a player to sign for a club anymore than a club can force a player to go on loan.
His view was, because it's a bit of a racket, it's not easy to break into. Similar issues to opening a bar or a club in the West End ....1 -
Scoham said:LTKapal said:Redhenry said:
Rose tinted.
Passable player nothing more.While JRS was clearly the better all round player, CBTs end product wasn’t an issue last season. No winger in this league gets 15/20 assists in half a season.3