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POST-MATCH THREAD: Huddersfield Town v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 23rd November 2024: KO 15:00

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  • Fedup
    Fedup Posts: 34
    Oh OK. Rinse and repeat it is then.
    No why, learn not to choose managers on dubious past records, we need a younger manager who understands the game as it is now not how it was, the clubs attitude needs updating.
  • I swear if Jones is fired I'm off. I have other things I can be doing.
    I'll keep watching regardless of the Manager / Players that appear... I'll support both until they're each gone, and even then I'll keep a curious eye on their careers.

    But after so many duds now, we've got to believe its more than just the Manager and if we get rid of Jones its just going to be another re-arranging of the deckchairs.
    You're right but I've had some stuff happen this last week that is making me think I need to reevaluate what I spend my time on.
  • Fedup
    Fedup Posts: 34
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    ct_addick said:
    NJ needs to go….but where do we go from here…
    Up.
    As easy as that. Wonder why Jones didn't do it, or Appleton or Jackson or any of the other boy wonders.
    How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?
    Did he get us promoted?
    No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.
    Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.
    He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,662
    msomerton said:
    Need players in Jan. To many poor players in the side coupled with a terrible injury list. I'm not one, yet, calling for NJ's head, just swapping managers hasn't worked over the last few seasons, and anyway who is available that could change this around without spending money?
    However, the current side have no fluidity, midfield is static going forwards, and the defence without Jones and Ramsay is poor.
    Miles needs help, he needs someone to deliver balls into the box. 
    Once we went to 10 men we looked a bit better, but that's not saying much.
    We must beat Burton and Walsall, this side needs confidence.  Finally the owners need to dig deep and get some playmaker's into the side.

    why would we get any better players in January, the only reason to get players in is so we can guarantee to have 15 players available for a match.
    Why not? The current squad are not good enough. Hylton, A Campbell, Potts, Anderson, Docherty and Gillesphey. If the owners (not the SMT) don't want us to get promoted, or at least chaljenge for it,  then fine keep the above players. As for me I'd move all of the above on look to get a better midfield, give Jones and Ramsay some decent partners and get some proper width in the side.
    They are under contract so very hard to get them to leave. We've seen that with a few players over the last couple of seasons. We had to give Kirk a pay off to see him leave. 
  • Fedup said:
    Oh OK. Rinse and repeat it is then.
    No why, learn not to choose managers on dubious past records, we need a younger manager who understands the game as it is now not how it was, the clubs attitude needs updating.
    How many times? 
  • Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    ct_addick said:
    NJ needs to go….but where do we go from here…
    Up.
    As easy as that. Wonder why Jones didn't do it, or Appleton or Jackson or any of the other boy wonders.
    How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?
    Did he get us promoted?
    No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.
    Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.
    He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.
    In a league below.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,366
    I don't think this game should be the one that makes us turn against Jones. It hasn't been good enough and the way we started wasn't good enough but there were aspects of the performance that were positive. We had a poor decision and the rub of the green not falling our way to blame but that doesn't excuse the start. I am a bit conflicted but Jones needs to clear his head and work it out.
    He's had two weeks to do that 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,742
    If you haven't got enough goals through the team it isn't always easy to fix. I can go back a number of seasons where this has been the case. I have said it before but any player we bring in from now on has to have a positive goal record relative to their position. No matter how good they are.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,913
    Do we have poor players or is it the style of play that's the biggest problem, or a combination of the two?

    How often do we put a passing movement together in the opposition half? Is that idea coached out of them or is it beyond our players to do so?

    If we had a solid defence it might work to a degree but at the moment, certainly without Jones, we don't. 

    A lot of posters state that we need better players but how effective would we be with Herbie Kane and David Kasumu, probably Huddersfield's best players today, if we play the Nathan Jones style? 

    I thought the second half today was a good battling performance but not one that's going to win us games week after week, especially if we continue to start games so poorly. 
    It's a mixture of both. Jones plays anti-football which can be effective, but we don't have the players to play his style.  

    You could bring in any manager, and I doubt the results will change much. Once again, we have recruited a lot of bad players. We are so bloody good at it, that it's quite frightening. 

    We need a complete overhaul, complete identity change, and being blunt, I don't care anymore if Jones isn't part of it. Need to drain the swamp completely. There's too many chancers at this club from the management, to backroom staff, to the players. It's completely unacceptable how average we are at football. Average might even be a bit generous. 
    Mate you have hit the nail on the head imo Anti Football !! Being a Charlton fan by its very nature means I don’t expect to win every game but I also don’t expect to be bored to death watching my team. Every minute of every game is the same boring long balls which we actually are not very good at ! I have said before if you set up to be boring you had better win far more than you lose which isn’t the case here ! You can see from his antics during the games now that the pressure is building in his head and I’m sure if we don’t start winning very soon he will explode and he will be gone 

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  • Fedup
    Fedup Posts: 34
    Chunes said:
    I don't think this game should be the one that makes us turn against Jones. It hasn't been good enough and the way we started wasn't good enough but there were aspects of the performance that were positive. We had a poor decision and the rub of the green not falling our way to blame but that doesn't excuse the start. I am a bit conflicted but Jones needs to clear his head and work it out.
    He's had two weeks to do that 
    I gave up on Jones three weeks ago.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,514
    edited November 2024
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    ct_addick said:
    NJ needs to go….but where do we go from here…
    Up.
    As easy as that. Wonder why Jones didn't do it, or Appleton or Jackson or any of the other boy wonders.
    How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?
    Did he get us promoted?
    No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.
    Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.
    He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.
    He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.

    We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season.

    I'm seriously concerned with people's expectations having to make that statement
  • LoOkOuT said:
    After a long international break, Charlton travelled north to Huddersfield in hopes of gaining both points and confidence to inspire a run in the right direction. Conditions weren’t ideal. A side depleted through injury were met with swirling winds and relentless, torrential rain that made the afternoon quite challenging. The first forty-five minutes were all action. Charlton fell behind on thirteen minutes through Huddersfield’s left midfielder, Michel Miller who got his head on the end of a corner and headed past Ashley Maynard-Brewer. Not long after Miller had another opportunity that he should have scored. Thankfully, his effort didn’t find the back of the net. With Charlton still in it, the equaliser came when Edmonds-Green forced contact in the area and went over. Matty Godden converted the penalty to bring Charlton level. Then, another twist changed momentum again, when Charlton captain Grey Docherty’s late challenge resulted in an instant, rather harsh, dismissal.

    Down to ten men, Charlton started the second half brightly. Conversely, Huddersfield looked complacent and soon the visitors would put them under continual pressure. Charlton came close to scoring through Leaburn, who seemed to delight in causing the Huddersfield back line, and in turn their fans, problems. The whole second half turned quite contentious. It was Huddersfield that prevailed through the conditions with their one man advantage to take the lead on sixty three minutes through a long-range Kasumu effort that flew past Maynard-Brewer. Where I thought the keeper could have done better with the goal, there were saves to come that offered partial redemption. Charlton pressed for a second equaliser which never came, despite come clear opportunities that fell to the battling strikers, Leaburn and substitute Ahadme. 

    Middle table obscurity is inevitable unless some substantial quality is added in January.

    Huddersfield 2 Charlton 1
    It was centre back Matty Pearson with their first goal, who then missed another great chance, not Miller. Indeed when he went off injured, it was good news for us, as nobody was able to pick him up at set pieces.

    A former Nathan Jones Luton player incidentally.
  • Fedup
    Fedup Posts: 34
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    ct_addick said:
    NJ needs to go….but where do we go from here…
    Up.
    As easy as that. Wonder why Jones didn't do it, or Appleton or Jackson or any of the other boy wonders.
    How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?
    Did he get us promoted?
    No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.
    Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.
    He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.
    He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.

    We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
    But they are closer than us!
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,511
    Another one of our games where key moment goes against us.. Sending of at 1-1 swings the momentum back to them...think we deserved something from the game... Leaburn, Ahadme good chances.… we move on and the good thing is we are still only 7 points of play 



  • Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    ct_addick said:
    NJ needs to go….but where do we go from here…
    Up.
    As easy as that. Wonder why Jones didn't do it, or Appleton or Jackson or any of the other boy wonders.
    How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?
    Did he get us promoted?
    No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.
    Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.
    He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.
    He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.

    We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
    But they are closer than us!
    Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?

    It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
  • Fedup
    Fedup Posts: 34
    Another one of our games where key moment goes against us.. Sending of at 1-1 swings the momentum back to them...think we deserved something from the game... Leaburn, Ahadme good chances.… we move on and the good thing is we are still only 7 points of play 



    And four from the bottom.
  • Fedup said:
    Another one of our games where key moment goes against us.. Sending of at 1-1 swings the momentum back to them...think we deserved something from the game... Leaburn, Ahadme good chances.… we move on and the good thing is we are still only 7 points of play 



    And four from the bottom.
    Thank god the season isnt decided now then
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,742
    LoOkOuT said:
    After a long international break, Charlton travelled north to Huddersfield in hopes of gaining both points and confidence to inspire a run in the right direction. Conditions weren’t ideal. A side depleted through injury were met with swirling winds and relentless, torrential rain that made the afternoon quite challenging. The first forty-five minutes were all action. Charlton fell behind on thirteen minutes through Huddersfield’s left midfielder, Michel Miller who got his head on the end of a corner and headed past Ashley Maynard-Brewer. Not long after Miller had another opportunity that he should have scored. Thankfully, his effort didn’t find the back of the net. With Charlton still in it, the equaliser came when Edmonds-Green forced contact in the area and went over. Matty Godden converted the penalty to bring Charlton level. Then, another twist changed momentum again, when Charlton captain Grey Docherty’s late challenge resulted in an instant, rather harsh, dismissal.

    Down to ten men, Charlton started the second half brightly. Conversely, Huddersfield looked complacent and soon the visitors would put them under continual pressure. Charlton came close to scoring through Leaburn, who seemed to delight in causing the Huddersfield back line, and in turn their fans, problems. The whole second half turned quite contentious. It was Huddersfield that prevailed through the conditions with their one man advantage to take the lead on sixty three minutes through a long-range Kasumu effort that flew past Maynard-Brewer. Where I thought the keeper could have done better with the goal, there were saves to come that offered partial redemption. Charlton pressed for a second equaliser which never came, despite come clear opportunities that fell to the battling strikers, Leaburn and substitute Ahadme. 

    Middle table obscurity is inevitable unless some substantial quality is added in January.

    Huddersfield 2 Charlton 1
    It was centre back Matty Pearson with their first goal, who then missed another great chance, not Miller. Indeed when he went off injured, it was good news for us, as nobody was able to pick him up at set pieces.

    A former Nathan Jones Luton player incidentally.
    I was disapointed with Small for the goal. I accept he might not win a header with a centre half but he has the strength to lever into the player and make the header much harder. 
  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    msomerton said:
    Need players in Jan. To many poor players in the side coupled with a terrible injury list. I'm not one, yet, calling for NJ's head, just swapping managers hasn't worked over the last few seasons, and anyway who is available that could change this around without spending money?
    However, the current side have no fluidity, midfield is static going forwards, and the defence without Jones and Ramsay is poor.
    Miles needs help, he needs someone to deliver balls into the box. 
    Once we went to 10 men we looked a bit better, but that's not saying much.
    We must beat Burton and Walsall, this side needs confidence.  Finally the owners need to dig deep and get some playmaker's into the side.

    why would we get any better players in January, the only reason to get players in is so we can guarantee to have 15 players available for a match.
    Why not? The current squad are not good enough. Hylton, A Campbell, Potts, Anderson, Docherty and Gillesphey. If the owners (not the SMT) don't want us to get promoted, or at least chaljenge for it,  then fine keep the above players. As for me I'd move all of the above on look to get a better midfield, give Jones and Ramsay some decent partners and get some proper width in the side.
    They are under contract so very hard to get them to leave. We've seen that with a few players over the last couple of seasons. We had to give Kirk a pay off to see him leave. 
    Campbell and Potts are loans I thought and short term, I could be wrong. Doc and Gillesphey could be given frees or loaned out, and Hylton is player/coach. Anderson could also be loaned out along with Kanu.
    It's just, with the exception of Kanu, I don't think the rest are good enough.

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  • Fedup
    Fedup Posts: 34
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    ct_addick said:
    NJ needs to go….but where do we go from here…
    Up.
    As easy as that. Wonder why Jones didn't do it, or Appleton or Jackson or any of the other boy wonders.
    How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?
    Did he get us promoted?
    No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.
    Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.
    He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.
    He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.

    We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
    But they are closer than us!
    Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?

    It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
    Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?
  • LoOkOuT said:
    After a long international break, Charlton travelled north to Huddersfield in hopes of gaining both points and confidence to inspire a run in the right direction. Conditions weren’t ideal. A side depleted through injury were met with swirling winds and relentless, torrential rain that made the afternoon quite challenging. The first forty-five minutes were all action. Charlton fell behind on thirteen minutes through Huddersfield’s left midfielder, Michel Miller who got his head on the end of a corner and headed past Ashley Maynard-Brewer. Not long after Miller had another opportunity that he should have scored. Thankfully, his effort didn’t find the back of the net. With Charlton still in it, the equaliser came when Edmonds-Green forced contact in the area and went over. Matty Godden converted the penalty to bring Charlton level. Then, another twist changed momentum again, when Charlton captain Grey Docherty’s late challenge resulted in an instant, rather harsh, dismissal.

    Down to ten men, Charlton started the second half brightly. Conversely, Huddersfield looked complacent and soon the visitors would put them under continual pressure. Charlton came close to scoring through Leaburn, who seemed to delight in causing the Huddersfield back line, and in turn their fans, problems. The whole second half turned quite contentious. It was Huddersfield that prevailed through the conditions with their one man advantage to take the lead on sixty three minutes through a long-range Kasumu effort that flew past Maynard-Brewer. Where I thought the keeper could have done better with the goal, there were saves to come that offered partial redemption. Charlton pressed for a second equaliser which never came, despite come clear opportunities that fell to the battling strikers, Leaburn and substitute Ahadme. 

    Middle table obscurity is inevitable unless some substantial quality is added in January.

    Huddersfield 2 Charlton 1
    It was centre back Matty Pearson with their first goal, who then missed another great chance, not Miller. Indeed when he went off injured, it was good news for us, as nobody was able to pick him up at set pieces.

    A former Nathan Jones Luton player incidentally.
    A former Luton player? And now injured?

    Certain to sign for us in January.


  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,707
    Throw available team names at the wall
    See what sticks
    Watch inadequate makeweights fuck up all over again
    Rinse
    Repeat

    Wonder what NJ does to fill the rest of his week?

    The squad is shabby especially NJ’s recruitees but his use of it is wilfully awful
    Arrogance or incompetence add up to the same dreary shit we get served up week after week
    He sees what we see but fucks up anyway and all his pre and post match gobbledegook just rubs salt into the wound 
    Happy Saturday Addicks!
  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,189
    We get a pattern of play, then we get injuries, Jones, Anke, Small, ( I know he has returned ) Edwards was out Mannion . We looked like we had cracked it first few games. We lack depth in the squad. It’s no good moaning about Refs and Lino they’re all poor at this level. 
    I would give Jones a second window and see how we are going in April. 
    If we bin Jones who is going to want to A play for us and B manage us.
  • Still, at least we’ve got Burton Albion on Tuesday night to look forward too.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,742
    I thought Anderson did ok today. It would be a mistake to write him off IMO.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,514
    edited November 2024
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    ct_addick said:
    NJ needs to go….but where do we go from here…
    Up.
    As easy as that. Wonder why Jones didn't do it, or Appleton or Jackson or any of the other boy wonders.
    How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?
    Did he get us promoted?
    No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.
    Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.
    He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.
    He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.

    We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
    But they are closer than us!
    Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?

    It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
    Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?
    Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.

    Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?

    We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand, we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quicker 
  • Fedup
    Fedup Posts: 34
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    ct_addick said:
    NJ needs to go….but where do we go from here…
    Up.
    As easy as that. Wonder why Jones didn't do it, or Appleton or Jackson or any of the other boy wonders.
    How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?
    Did he get us promoted?
    No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.
    Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.
    He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.
    He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.

    We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
    But they are closer than us!
    Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?

    It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
    Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?
    Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.

    Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?

    We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand and we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quicker 
    So you would like NJ to stay?
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,894
    Jones has made some terrible signings and we're playing terrible football. Hard to see how things will change.

    Quite an achievement to be so bad season after season...
    Spot on.

    When you look at the turnover of players managers and owners we've had over the past few years it really is something of a spectacular achievement for us to be so consistently shite season after season. We've had to work really hard to be this bad for this long.

    Well done to all. Wankers. 
  • Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    Fedup said:
    ct_addick said:
    NJ needs to go….but where do we go from here…
    Up.
    As easy as that. Wonder why Jones didn't do it, or Appleton or Jackson or any of the other boy wonders.
    How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?
    Did he get us promoted?
    No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.
    Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.
    He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.
    He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.

    We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
    But they are closer than us!
    Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?

    It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
    Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?
    Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.

    Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?

    We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand and we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quicker 
    So you would like NJ to stay?
    Dunno what gives you that idea!! ;)