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POST-MATCH THREAD: Huddersfield Town v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 23rd November 2024: KO 15:00
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No why, learn not to choose managers on dubious past records, we need a younger manager who understands the game as it is now not how it was, the clubs attitude needs updating.Wheresmeticket said:Oh OK. Rinse and repeat it is then.3 -
A few months ago I had to call on all my parenting skills to explain to my soon to be 8 year old Son, that Charlton is in the family blood (my Grandad’s ashes are at The Valley) and one day we will get better
He even put another Charlton top on his Birthday list.
All his classmates support Premier teams, mostly Arsenal and West Ham as we now live in Essex.
Tonight he just asked again why, why are we always so rubbish (I roll out the Lennie, Alan and Chris stories), but he knows nothing else other than Charlton being a very average mid table division 3 side.I’m beginning to feel that being a good parent is not putting him through this crap every week and I can’t see it getting better anytime soon.I can remember going to midweek reserve games with my Grandad in the late seventies and early eighties, that seemed more fun with 50 people on a November night than this lot of soulless nobodies.25 -
You're right but I've had some stuff happen this last week that is making me think I need to reevaluate what I spend my time on.ForeverAddickted said:
I'll keep watching regardless of the Manager / Players that appear... I'll support both until they're each gone, and even then I'll keep a curious eye on their careers.Wheresmeticket said:I swear if Jones is fired I'm off. I have other things I can be doing.
But after so many duds now, we've got to believe its more than just the Manager and if we get rid of Jones its just going to be another re-arranging of the deckchairs.1 -
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:1 -
They are under contract so very hard to get them to leave. We've seen that with a few players over the last couple of seasons. We had to give Kirk a pay off to see him leave.Redmidland said:
Why not? The current squad are not good enough. Hylton, A Campbell, Potts, Anderson, Docherty and Gillesphey. If the owners (not the SMT) don't want us to get promoted, or at least chaljenge for it, then fine keep the above players. As for me I'd move all of the above on look to get a better midfield, give Jones and Ramsay some decent partners and get some proper width in the side.msomerton said:
why would we get any better players in January, the only reason to get players in is so we can guarantee to have 15 players available for a match.Redmidland said:Need players in Jan. To many poor players in the side coupled with a terrible injury list. I'm not one, yet, calling for NJ's head, just swapping managers hasn't worked over the last few seasons, and anyway who is available that could change this around without spending money?
However, the current side have no fluidity, midfield is static going forwards, and the defence without Jones and Ramsay is poor.
Miles needs help, he needs someone to deliver balls into the box.
Once we went to 10 men we looked a bit better, but that's not saying much.
We must beat Burton and Walsall, this side needs confidence. Finally the owners need to dig deep and get some playmaker's into the side.3 -
How many times?Fedup said:
No why, learn not to choose managers on dubious past records, we need a younger manager who understands the game as it is now not how it was, the clubs attitude needs updating.Wheresmeticket said:Oh OK. Rinse and repeat it is then.1 -
In a league below.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:2 -
He's had two weeks to do thatMuttleyCAFC said:I don't think this game should be the one that makes us turn against Jones. It hasn't been good enough and the way we started wasn't good enough but there were aspects of the performance that were positive. We had a poor decision and the rub of the green not falling our way to blame but that doesn't excuse the start. I am a bit conflicted but Jones needs to clear his head and work it out.4 -
If you haven't got enough goals through the team it isn't always easy to fix. I can go back a number of seasons where this has been the case. I have said it before but any player we bring in from now on has to have a positive goal record relative to their position. No matter how good they are.0
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Mate you have hit the nail on the head imo Anti Football !! Being a Charlton fan by its very nature means I don’t expect to win every game but I also don’t expect to be bored to death watching my team. Every minute of every game is the same boring long balls which we actually are not very good at ! I have said before if you set up to be boring you had better win far more than you lose which isn’t the case here ! You can see from his antics during the games now that the pressure is building in his head and I’m sure if we don’t start winning very soon he will explode and he will be goneBraziliance said:
It's a mixture of both. Jones plays anti-football which can be effective, but we don't have the players to play his style.Bangkokaddick said:Do we have poor players or is it the style of play that's the biggest problem, or a combination of the two?
How often do we put a passing movement together in the opposition half? Is that idea coached out of them or is it beyond our players to do so?
If we had a solid defence it might work to a degree but at the moment, certainly without Jones, we don't.
A lot of posters state that we need better players but how effective would we be with Herbie Kane and David Kasumu, probably Huddersfield's best players today, if we play the Nathan Jones style?
I thought the second half today was a good battling performance but not one that's going to win us games week after week, especially if we continue to start games so poorly.
You could bring in any manager, and I doubt the results will change much. Once again, we have recruited a lot of bad players. We are so bloody good at it, that it's quite frightening.
We need a complete overhaul, complete identity change, and being blunt, I don't care anymore if Jones isn't part of it. Need to drain the swamp completely. There's too many chancers at this club from the management, to backroom staff, to the players. It's completely unacceptable how average we are at football. Average might even be a bit generous.7 -
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I gave up on Jones three weeks ago.Chunes said:
He's had two weeks to do thatMuttleyCAFC said:I don't think this game should be the one that makes us turn against Jones. It hasn't been good enough and the way we started wasn't good enough but there were aspects of the performance that were positive. We had a poor decision and the rub of the green not falling our way to blame but that doesn't excuse the start. I am a bit conflicted but Jones needs to clear his head and work it out.0 -
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season.
I'm seriously concerned with people's expectations having to make that statement9 -
It was centre back Matty Pearson with their first goal, who then missed another great chance, not Miller. Indeed when he went off injured, it was good news for us, as nobody was able to pick him up at set pieces.LoOkOuT said:After a long international break, Charlton travelled north to Huddersfield in hopes of gaining both points and confidence to inspire a run in the right direction. Conditions weren’t ideal. A side depleted through injury were met with swirling winds and relentless, torrential rain that made the afternoon quite challenging. The first forty-five minutes were all action. Charlton fell behind on thirteen minutes through Huddersfield’s left midfielder, Michel Miller who got his head on the end of a corner and headed past Ashley Maynard-Brewer. Not long after Miller had another opportunity that he should have scored. Thankfully, his effort didn’t find the back of the net. With Charlton still in it, the equaliser came when Edmonds-Green forced contact in the area and went over. Matty Godden converted the penalty to bring Charlton level. Then, another twist changed momentum again, when Charlton captain Grey Docherty’s late challenge resulted in an instant, rather harsh, dismissal.
Down to ten men, Charlton started the second half brightly. Conversely, Huddersfield looked complacent and soon the visitors would put them under continual pressure. Charlton came close to scoring through Leaburn, who seemed to delight in causing the Huddersfield back line, and in turn their fans, problems. The whole second half turned quite contentious. It was Huddersfield that prevailed through the conditions with their one man advantage to take the lead on sixty three minutes through a long-range Kasumu effort that flew past Maynard-Brewer. Where I thought the keeper could have done better with the goal, there were saves to come that offered partial redemption. Charlton pressed for a second equaliser which never came, despite come clear opportunities that fell to the battling strikers, Leaburn and substitute Ahadme.
Middle table obscurity is inevitable unless some substantial quality is added in January.
Huddersfield 2 Charlton 1
A former Nathan Jones Luton player incidentally.2 -
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season0 -
Another one of our games where key moment goes against us.. Sending of at 1-1 swings the momentum back to them...think we deserved something from the game... Leaburn, Ahadme good chances.… we move on and the good thing is we are still only 7 points of play
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Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!6 -
And four from the bottom.RonnieMoore said:Another one of our games where key moment goes against us.. Sending of at 1-1 swings the momentum back to them...think we deserved something from the game... Leaburn, Ahadme good chances.… we move on and the good thing is we are still only 7 points of play0 -
Thank god the season isnt decided now thenFedup said:
And four from the bottom.RonnieMoore said:Another one of our games where key moment goes against us.. Sending of at 1-1 swings the momentum back to them...think we deserved something from the game... Leaburn, Ahadme good chances.… we move on and the good thing is we are still only 7 points of play2 -
I was disapointed with Small for the goal. I accept he might not win a header with a centre half but he has the strength to lever into the player and make the header much harder.killerandflash said:
It was centre back Matty Pearson with their first goal, who then missed another great chance, not Miller. Indeed when he went off injured, it was good news for us, as nobody was able to pick him up at set pieces.LoOkOuT said:After a long international break, Charlton travelled north to Huddersfield in hopes of gaining both points and confidence to inspire a run in the right direction. Conditions weren’t ideal. A side depleted through injury were met with swirling winds and relentless, torrential rain that made the afternoon quite challenging. The first forty-five minutes were all action. Charlton fell behind on thirteen minutes through Huddersfield’s left midfielder, Michel Miller who got his head on the end of a corner and headed past Ashley Maynard-Brewer. Not long after Miller had another opportunity that he should have scored. Thankfully, his effort didn’t find the back of the net. With Charlton still in it, the equaliser came when Edmonds-Green forced contact in the area and went over. Matty Godden converted the penalty to bring Charlton level. Then, another twist changed momentum again, when Charlton captain Grey Docherty’s late challenge resulted in an instant, rather harsh, dismissal.
Down to ten men, Charlton started the second half brightly. Conversely, Huddersfield looked complacent and soon the visitors would put them under continual pressure. Charlton came close to scoring through Leaburn, who seemed to delight in causing the Huddersfield back line, and in turn their fans, problems. The whole second half turned quite contentious. It was Huddersfield that prevailed through the conditions with their one man advantage to take the lead on sixty three minutes through a long-range Kasumu effort that flew past Maynard-Brewer. Where I thought the keeper could have done better with the goal, there were saves to come that offered partial redemption. Charlton pressed for a second equaliser which never came, despite come clear opportunities that fell to the battling strikers, Leaburn and substitute Ahadme.
Middle table obscurity is inevitable unless some substantial quality is added in January.
Huddersfield 2 Charlton 1
A former Nathan Jones Luton player incidentally.6 -
Campbell and Potts are loans I thought and short term, I could be wrong. Doc and Gillesphey could be given frees or loaned out, and Hylton is player/coach. Anderson could also be loaned out along with Kanu.golfaddick said:
They are under contract so very hard to get them to leave. We've seen that with a few players over the last couple of seasons. We had to give Kirk a pay off to see him leave.Redmidland said:
Why not? The current squad are not good enough. Hylton, A Campbell, Potts, Anderson, Docherty and Gillesphey. If the owners (not the SMT) don't want us to get promoted, or at least chaljenge for it, then fine keep the above players. As for me I'd move all of the above on look to get a better midfield, give Jones and Ramsay some decent partners and get some proper width in the side.msomerton said:
why would we get any better players in January, the only reason to get players in is so we can guarantee to have 15 players available for a match.Redmidland said:Need players in Jan. To many poor players in the side coupled with a terrible injury list. I'm not one, yet, calling for NJ's head, just swapping managers hasn't worked over the last few seasons, and anyway who is available that could change this around without spending money?
However, the current side have no fluidity, midfield is static going forwards, and the defence without Jones and Ramsay is poor.
Miles needs help, he needs someone to deliver balls into the box.
Once we went to 10 men we looked a bit better, but that's not saying much.
We must beat Burton and Walsall, this side needs confidence. Finally the owners need to dig deep and get some playmaker's into the side.
It's just, with the exception of Kanu, I don't think the rest are good enough.0 -
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Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!0 -
A former Luton player? And now injured?killerandflash said:
It was centre back Matty Pearson with their first goal, who then missed another great chance, not Miller. Indeed when he went off injured, it was good news for us, as nobody was able to pick him up at set pieces.LoOkOuT said:After a long international break, Charlton travelled north to Huddersfield in hopes of gaining both points and confidence to inspire a run in the right direction. Conditions weren’t ideal. A side depleted through injury were met with swirling winds and relentless, torrential rain that made the afternoon quite challenging. The first forty-five minutes were all action. Charlton fell behind on thirteen minutes through Huddersfield’s left midfielder, Michel Miller who got his head on the end of a corner and headed past Ashley Maynard-Brewer. Not long after Miller had another opportunity that he should have scored. Thankfully, his effort didn’t find the back of the net. With Charlton still in it, the equaliser came when Edmonds-Green forced contact in the area and went over. Matty Godden converted the penalty to bring Charlton level. Then, another twist changed momentum again, when Charlton captain Grey Docherty’s late challenge resulted in an instant, rather harsh, dismissal.
Down to ten men, Charlton started the second half brightly. Conversely, Huddersfield looked complacent and soon the visitors would put them under continual pressure. Charlton came close to scoring through Leaburn, who seemed to delight in causing the Huddersfield back line, and in turn their fans, problems. The whole second half turned quite contentious. It was Huddersfield that prevailed through the conditions with their one man advantage to take the lead on sixty three minutes through a long-range Kasumu effort that flew past Maynard-Brewer. Where I thought the keeper could have done better with the goal, there were saves to come that offered partial redemption. Charlton pressed for a second equaliser which never came, despite come clear opportunities that fell to the battling strikers, Leaburn and substitute Ahadme.
Middle table obscurity is inevitable unless some substantial quality is added in January.
Huddersfield 2 Charlton 1
A former Nathan Jones Luton player incidentally.
Certain to sign for us in January.
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Throw available team names at the wall
See what sticks
Watch inadequate makeweights fuck up all over again
Rinse
Repeat
Wonder what NJ does to fill the rest of his week?
The squad is shabby especially NJ’s recruitees but his use of it is wilfully awful
Arrogance or incompetence add up to the same dreary shit we get served up week after week
He sees what we see but fucks up anyway and all his pre and post match gobbledegook just rubs salt into the wound
Happy Saturday Addicks!4 -
We get a pattern of play, then we get injuries, Jones, Anke, Small, ( I know he has returned ) Edwards was out Mannion . We looked like we had cracked it first few games. We lack depth in the squad. It’s no good moaning about Refs and Lino they’re all poor at this level.I would give Jones a second window and see how we are going in April.If we bin Jones who is going to want to A play for us and B manage us.6
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Still, at least we’ve got Burton Albion on Tuesday night to look forward too.5
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I thought Anderson did ok today. It would be a mistake to write him off IMO.9
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Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.Fedup said:
Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?
We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand, we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quicker11 -
So you would like NJ to stay?ForeverAddickted said:
Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.Fedup said:
Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?
We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand and we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quicker1 -
Spot on.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Jones has made some terrible signings and we're playing terrible football. Hard to see how things will change.
Quite an achievement to be so bad season after season...
When you look at the turnover of players managers and owners we've had over the past few years it really is something of a spectacular achievement for us to be so consistently shite season after season. We've had to work really hard to be this bad for this long.
Well done to all. Wankers.7 -
Dunno what gives you that idea!!Fedup said:
So you would like NJ to stay?ForeverAddickted said:
Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.Fedup said:
Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?
We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand and we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quicker
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