”We lost the game due to certain deficiencies that were at the football club last season….and are still here now”.
If we go back 12 months to the 25th of November, our squad of 18 contained just 3 players that were in our squad today: AMB, Leaburn and TC (a sub both times).
So what does he mean by that? It clearly isn’t player specific if 83% of the squad is different and we now lay a completely different tactical style of football?
If that's the case, how come we were performing well at the start of the season then? In the first six matches we won 67% of our games. We might not have been free scoring, but we were highly energetic and very difficult to score against. Then all of a sudden it fell apart. We've conceded eight in our last six matches and the win percentage is down to just 17%. That doesn't look like the same deficiencies to me, that looks like something's happened.
12 months ago, Dobbo was doing the graft in midfield and May was nicking goals.
Now nobody is grafting in midfield and some players are nicking a living.
At the game. ☹️ Phil…..to a man at the final whistle they all collapsed dead on their feet. They were clearly absolutely shattered. One thing that came out of today’s performance was that they certainly did at least put in a monumental effort. Sadly we didn’t match the effort with any worthwhile football. A dreadful game from two very average sides…..no guile or creativity from our mid field whatsoever.
There’s not a single star player in the side at present who gets you on the edge of your seat when they are in possession. Boy oh boy, do we need one. 🫤
I watched with Father-in-law which isn't helped by the fact that he's an avid Malmö fan and they win the Allsvenskan pretty much every season and also play in Europe. Anyway, the general view of an independant were that Huddersfield look a much, MUCH, better side, who could play out from the back, using players we used to have, called midfielders!!
He was shocked at how for 90 minutes, we lumped the ball tirelessly to nobody, with a hit an hope plan, that achieved very little. It's not good to watch. It's easy to defend against. It shows a clueless manager with an equally clueless group of players.
How we get out of yet another mess of a season is beyond me, and seemingly beyond Jones and his band of not-so-merry men.
To be truthful, I've stopped watching any game against any opposition, with any level of positive expectation.
We are poor all over the pitch. Leaburn for all his efforts, and he does look a cut above the rest, still isn't fit to lace May's boots, when it comes to finishing. His effort and skill is clear, however he doesn't score (enough) and he, is /was /and will be, our only hope until he is sold to the only / highest bidder. We are a sinking oil tanker with sailors incapable of keeping afloat plastic boats in the bathtub.
I don't particularly want Jones sacked, for all the reasons others have suggested, but he seems to have got his squad selection in the summer, so inexplicably wrong, it is almost laughable, to every other clubs fans in League One. For us it is just another nightmare that we again are struggling to wake up from.
Tonight, I'd cash out on a 12th place finish bet, at whatever odds I could get.
I dont want to see another manager sacked, but if we keep losing and get dragged into a relegation fight I can't see him lasting another couple of months of poor form.
If you asked me before the season started if we would even get a point away to Huddersfield i'd have said maybe but probably not. Even if we were in the top 2.
Exactly. I never understand the meltdowns after results against teams you’d never expect us to beat or even take a point off anyway.
It might be the fact we have only had two wins from the last 12 league games.
Right. But this was only one game. So that means we’d had two wins in 11 games prior to this one. And people expected us to have three in 12 after Huddersfield away?
First half was really poor today, second half much better effort levels. But lack of quality throughout, Huddersfield played all the best passing, we just played long ball, it is turgid to watch. Jones talked about playing physically with leaders all over the pitch at the start of the season. We are light weight, constantly change line up and formation, 5 in defence today and did not pick up their defender twice and leaders? Doc? When Godden went off, he wasn’t sure who to pass the arm band too. I hope it gets better but struggling to see how that will happen. I wouldn’t sack him but Jones bought most of these players, so he his very culpable for the poor performances being served out each week. This is not about owners, it’s the manager, coaching and players
Lets just put it into perspective Man City lost 5 in a row and there putting that down to missing one player..... I think with our injury crisis and the fact in this league you can easily put 3/4 wins together think we have to stay calm... There no one better then Jones at present and he only had one window to balance this squad.. Think he needs another two... stability is the key can't keep changing.…..the board backed Jones with all the players he wanted and will do again to much investment been made to throw it out the window so early in the season...
I think it's what he's balanced it with so far that's the worry Ronnie. Signing players who did well for you in the past at a different club is always a risk, not saying it can't work but there is almost more pressure for them to succeed than an unknown. If you consider that two of those players is a 35 year old who played thirty times for Northampton last year and scored a big fat nothing and a player who came here after being out for almost a season with injury then the pressure grows ever stronger. A lot of people are thinking that with the loss of Lloyd Jones, then Dan Potts was a risk too far when we could have signed a left sided centre back who was fit when he entered the building, at least fit enough to dominate our box, which Mitchell and Gillesphrey clearly don't. Add Hylton and the failure of Allan Campbell plus the in and out form of Luke Berry then people are entitled to question Nathan Jones decisions.
Once again, not much to be happy about from that performance and more of what we have seen so far - albeit with the added bonus of our captain-but-only-in-name getting stupidly sent off in the first half. It was a silly, silly tackle that was overly aggressive, but I honestly feel that this is just the style of player our manager wants and is a risk we'll run against some L1 referees. When you set up for anti-football 1-0 wins, you can't give teams advantages like this when your wins come through such fine margins. Docherty is not the player we thought he would be, but we've now ended up with a multitude of midfielders who's skillset is almost entirely based around being solely good off the ball and not on it. Any kind of scouting should have seen this was the case, but here we are.
Sacking NJ creates more problems than it solves - however, I already feel he is hiding behind the injuries and trying to use excuses in press conferences that are starting to not wash with me. Even with those players back, I still think we are so far off it. Internally, I think NJ knows we aren't going to compete for playoffs and he's purely going for self-preservation. I don't think this current crop of players will get us close, nor even in distance of taking the gamble on more players in January. We still remain a team with a spine that is not good enough to push on, and I think they know it.
This team is unlikely to go on any kind of run and are making the requirements of any run harder every week. I try to stay positive, but this season already feels close to a write-off, even if it isn't mathematically so. I'd happily eat my words if they do, but I don't see the fundamentals of how we play changing and several of players we put big wages behind in the summer are just not the answer.
Once again, not much to be happy about from that performance and more of what we have seen so far - albeit with the added bonus of our captain-but-only-in-name getting stupidly sent off in the first half. It was a silly, silly tackle that was overly aggressive, but I honestly feel that this is just the style of player our manager wants and is a risk we'll run against some L1 referees. When you set up for anti-football 1-0 wins, you can't give teams advantages like this when your wins come through such fine margins. Docherty is not the player we thought he would be, but we've now ended up with a multitude of midfielders who's skillset is almost entirely based around being solely good off the ball and not on it. Any kind of scouting should have seen this was the case, but here we are.
Sacking NJ creates more problems than it solves - however, I already feel he is hiding behind the injuries and trying to use excuses in press conferences that are starting to not wash with me. Even with those players back, I still think we are so far off it. Internally, I think NJ knows we aren't going to compete for playoffs and he's purely going for self-preservation. I don't think this current crop of players will get us close, nor even in distance of taking the gamble on more players in January. We still remain a team with a spine that is not good enough to push on, and I think they know it.
This team is unlikely to go on any kind of run and are making the requirements of any run harder every week. I try to stay positive, but this season already feels close to a write-off, even if it isn't mathematically so. I'd happily eat my words if they do, but I don't see the fundamentals of how we play changing and several of players we put big wages behind in the summer are just not the answer.
An odd game. Awful defending to let Pearson have 2 free headers, one of which he scored from. And a weird formation with Small as a left footed right wing back.
Then a penalty out of nowhere. Then a red card out of nothing.
And the odd thing is that we much better with 10 men, helped by Small now playing on the left. We weren't good, but worked hard and looked organised in the second half. And had excellent chances to score, with Miles being really fired up.
We deserved nothing for the way we played with 11, but deserved a point for how we played with 10.
Was there today - putting it basically, we were crap - yet again - this is getting boring - my mates and I spend a lot of money travelling around the country watching Charlton - I don’t mind seeing us lose, as long as there is effort, application and desire, none of which was on show today by this shower of shit - even worse is the skill levels on show, simply shit - how many times do I have to watch a corner or free kick which either fails to go over the first defender, or sails over the entire defence and attack - appalling
I said to my mate after half time ‘if they go 2-1 up, we are leaving’ - and we did
Got to station, as per usual trains in the north utter dog dirt - quickly realised that getting a train from Huddersfield to York had zero chance - cab to York - got home 9.30
Not sure I can do many more aways - quite simply not good enough at the moment
”We lost the game due to certain deficiencies that were at the football club last season….and are still here now”.
If we go back 12 months to the 25th of November, our squad of 18 contained just 3 players that were in our squad today: AMB, Leaburn and TC (a sub both times).
So what does he mean by that? It clearly isn’t player specific if 83% of the squad is different and we now lay a completely different tactical style of football?
Well he wasn't here 12 months ago himself.
He talks a load of old waffle so assume he means last season from when he joined and it's:
AMB REG Gillesphey Small TC Leaburn
But again, it's Jones, he's probably talking about our inability to defend over a period of time greater than 20 minutes. That dates back to, oh, I dunno, since dropping back into this dog turd league.
Sod the game, I want to complain about the way people were treated at Huddersfield railway station. Got to the station about 17.20 thinking, great, perfect timing for my train back to Manchester Piccadilly at 17.31. Only to be told that a broken rail meant that no trains were running into Manchester. We were shunted from platform to platform, boarded one train, sat in the station for 20 mins, then we were told to get off the train, as it was being sent back towards York. Another train, bound for Manchester Airport, arrived, I thought, great, they will manage to get this one through, but after a few minutes on the platform, everyone was told to get off the train. By this time there was probably a thousand people trying to get back to Manchester. We were then told that the Railway companies were organising replacement buses and free taxis to get people back to Manchester. Another hour went by, no buses, no free taxis, people just somehow started drifting away, forking out of there own pocket to pay for taxis. Then a station staff member came out with a megaphone, saying that the station staff had been on the phone to railway management and bus and taxi companies, but nobody was answering the phone!! At this point, approaching 19.00 I was walking back into the station to start complaining about the awful way the passengers were being treated, when a free taxi appeared and luckily there was one space left in it. That's not the end of the story, because the taxi driver ended up in Manchester, just as traffic and people were coming into the city centre after the City/Spurs game. We got stuck in traffic and sat stationary for a long time. Finally, got into Piccadilly, went to catch my tram back to Altrincham, only to find it was one coming form the Ethiad, was rammed like sardines. I finally got home around 21.00, only half an hour later than if I had gone to The Valley. I thought I would tell this tale of trains and taxis to cheer up Charlton fans, talking about railways has always been a strong thread on CL. Sod the football, just sort out the f**king railways By the way, Although losing, I enjoyrd the effort shown in the second half.
Was there today - putting it basically, we were crap - yet again - this is getting boring - my mates and I spend a lot of money travelling around the country watching Charlton - I don’t mind seeing us lose, as long as there is effort, application and desire, none of which was on show today by this shower of shit - even worse is the skill levels on show, simply shit - how many times do I have to watch a corner or free kick which either fails to go over the first defender, or sails over the entire defence and attack - appalling
I said to my mate after half time ‘if they go 2-1 up, we are leaving’ - and we did
Got to station, as per usual trains in the north utter dog dirt - quickly realised that getting a train from Huddersfield to York had zero chance - cab to York - got home 9.30
Not sure I can do many more aways - quite simply not good enough at the moment
Cab to York a sensible approach. It was a farce back at Huddersfield station after the game. I was booked to go back via Manchester and ended up having to go via York. I'm awaiting my train at London Bridge now so home for 23:00. A long old day.
I would say I did see effort, application and desire, the second half especially. We just ain't cohesive.
Anyway, onto Burton. See the other 250 of you there.
So he thinks we were okay first half. Most on here thought we were awful. I don’t know who to believe as I wasn’t there and didn’t watch. And did the sending off change the game? If so it was only for the better according to practically everyone on here. Think he’s deluding himself.
Predictable but actually not as bad as I thought it would be. Have I missed some communication regarding Terry Taylor. If he is simply dropped then I am more concerned about Jones intentions than I already was.
Taylor not Jones’s player, he only got picked recently due to injuries / internationals. Was always going to be dropped when other players returned.
And that's what winds me up. Drop him not because he has been rubbish - far from it, in fact - but because Jones doesn't fancy him.
Jones also didn't fancy May.
I'm not sure he is a great judge of players.
You only have to look at when Alfie was on a hat trick & Jones dragged him off, WTF was that all about ?
If it had been a simple - no trains for several hours - message at Huddersfield I would have got in a taxi to Leeds, got my bag from the hotel and caught my train.
Instead by waiting for mythical trains, which then were cancelled, despite the taxi I just missed my train . A load of waiting and being passed around, so no chance of any indirect trains home. Instead I'm on a train to Derby, where a taxi will be laid on hopefully...
If you asked me before the season started if we would even get a point away to Huddersfield i'd have said maybe but probably not. Even if we were in the top 2.
Exactly. I never understand the meltdowns after results against teams you’d never expect us to beat or even take a point off anyway.
My view is that fans should expect a Charlton athletic team to beat Div 3 teams and challenge for promotion. That’s the point. The fact that we don’t beat them or don’t expect to beat them is not the fans’ fault, it’s a barometer of how far we have fallen and a sign we are accepting that as a norm. We should expect and certainly deserve better than the shit served up over the last 4 years. I’m good with people being disappointed/cheesed off, it means they care and want better, and it’s not just Huddersfield, is it? Last 10 games we are equal 2nd bottom of the form guide, that’s relegation form.
Many people don't think we'll win next Saturday against a League 2 either.
If it had been a simple - no trains for several hours - message at Huddersfield I would have got in a taxi to Leeds, got my bag from the hotel and caught my train.
Instead by waiting for mythical trains, which then were cancelled, despite the taxi I just missed my train . A load of waiting and being passed around, so no chance of any indirect trains home. Instead I'm on a train to Derby, where a taxi will be laid on hopefully...
Bloody Hell that's shite mate. A train appeared going to Leeds and York after the first wave of Charlton fans had left the station to get taxis. I think a fair few made their train at Leeds too.
I feel I've dodged a bullet getting home only an hour later than scheduled. Safe travels.
”We lost the game due to certain deficiencies that were at the football club last season….and are still here now”.
If we go back 12 months to the 25th of November, our squad of 18 contained just 3 players that were in our squad today: AMB, Leaburn and TC (a sub both times).
So what does he mean by that? It clearly isn’t player specific if 83% of the squad is different and we now lay a completely different tactical style of football?
If that's the case, how come we were performing well at the start of the season then? In the first six matches we won 67% of our games. We might not have been free scoring, but we were highly energetic and very difficult to score against. Then all of a sudden it fell apart. We've conceded eight in our last six matches and the win percentage is down to just 17%. That doesn't look like the same deficiencies to me, that looks like something's happened.
There is one very startling statistic staring you in the face.
Any talk of sacking/removing Jones is premature until we are genuinely panicking about going down.
Give him the season, if we finish bottom half then say goodbye in the summer.
Has to be given another year at least for me, with a view to sacking him in November 2025 if there genuinely is no progression... Naturally agree with you that it would be ridiculous not to act if we get to March and we're genuinely panicking about going down.
January Transfer Window 2025: Is a chance to plug leaks in squads
Summer Transfer Window 2025: A proper chance to build on what we need, as better players should be available around then; January I always see as a time where teams get rid of players they truly dont want because they're shit, and signed by teams that are panicking.
If we dont get rid of Jones until the end of this season, then its too late... we'll already be behind everyone else, as we'll be going into a Transfer Window not just looking for new players but a new manager too. We'll be back to where we were with Garner, no one wanting to join as they wont want to commit without knowing that their own future is secure.
Definitely need to change our transfer strategy, as based on his signings so far we can't give him full control of the next two windows.
Problem is our technical director is about as useful as a chocolate fire guard, where do we turn next ? I know a bloke down my local who's a fan, his sight is failing but he described most of our players as shit so he's probably got more idea than scott & jones, is it worth him applying for a job ?
Sod the game, I want to complain about the way people were treated at Huddersfield railway station. Got to the station about 17.20 thinking, great, perfect timing for my train back to Manchester Piccadilly at 17.31. Only to be told that a broken rail meant that no trains were running into Manchester. We were shunted from platform to platform, boarded one train, sat in the station for 20 mins, then we were told to get off the train, as it was being sent back towards York. Another train, bound for Manchester Airport, arrived, I thought, great, they will manage to get this one through, but after a few minutes on the platform, everyone was told to get off the train. By this time there was probably a thousand people trying to get back to Manchester. We were then told that the Railway companies were organising replacement buses and free taxis to get people back to Manchester. Another hour went by, no buses, no free taxis, people just somehow started drifting away, forking out of there own pocket to pay for taxis. Then a station staff member came out with a megaphone, saying that the station staff had been on the phone to railway management and bus and taxi companies, but nobody was answering the phone!! At this point, approaching 19.00 I was walking back into the station to start complaining about the awful way the passengers were being treated, when a free taxi appeared and luckily there was one space left in it. That's not the end of the story, because the taxi driver ended up in Manchester, just as traffic and people were coming into the city centre after the City/Spurs game. We got stuck in traffic and sat stationary for a long time. Finally, got into Piccadilly, went to catch my tram back to Altrincham, only to find it was one coming form the Ethiad, was rammed like sardines. I finally got home around 21.00, only half an hour later than if I had gone to The Valley. I thought I would tell this tale of trains and taxis to cheer up Charlton fans, talking about railways has always been a strong thread on CL. Sod the football, just sort out the f**king railways By the way, Although losing, I enjoyrd the effort shown in the second half.
It will all be fine once Labour re-nationalise them.
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Phil…..to a man at the final whistle they all collapsed dead on their feet. They were clearly absolutely shattered.
One thing that came out of today’s performance was that they certainly did at least put in a monumental effort.
Sadly we didn’t match the effort with any worthwhile football.
A dreadful game from two very average sides…..no guile or creativity from our mid field whatsoever.
Boy oh boy, do we need one. 🫤
He was shocked at how for 90 minutes, we lumped the ball tirelessly to nobody, with a hit an hope plan, that achieved very little. It's not good to watch. It's easy to defend against. It shows a clueless manager with an equally clueless group of players.
How we get out of yet another mess of a season is beyond me, and seemingly beyond Jones and his band of not-so-merry men.
To be truthful, I've stopped watching any game against any opposition, with any level of positive expectation.
We are poor all over the pitch. Leaburn for all his efforts, and he does look a cut above the rest, still isn't fit to lace May's boots, when it comes to finishing. His effort and skill is clear, however he doesn't score (enough) and he, is /was /and will be, our only hope until he is sold to the only / highest bidder. We are a sinking oil tanker with sailors incapable of keeping afloat plastic boats in the bathtub.
I don't particularly want Jones sacked, for all the reasons others have suggested, but he seems to have got his squad selection in the summer, so inexplicably wrong, it is almost laughable, to every other clubs fans in League One. For us it is just another nightmare that we again are struggling to wake up from.
Tonight, I'd cash out on a 12th place finish bet, at whatever odds I could get.
Sacking NJ creates more problems than it solves - however, I already feel he is hiding behind the injuries and trying to use excuses in press conferences that are starting to not wash with me. Even with those players back, I still think we are so far off it. Internally, I think NJ knows we aren't going to compete for playoffs and he's purely going for self-preservation. I don't think this current crop of players will get us close, nor even in distance of taking the gamble on more players in January. We still remain a team with a spine that is not good enough to push on, and I think they know it.
This team is unlikely to go on any kind of run and are making the requirements of any run harder every week. I try to stay positive, but this season already feels close to a write-off, even if it isn't mathematically so. I'd happily eat my words if they do, but I don't see the fundamentals of how we play changing and several of players we put big wages behind in the summer are just not the answer.
Then a penalty out of nowhere. Then a red card out of nothing.
And the odd thing is that we much better with 10 men, helped by Small now playing on the left. We weren't good, but worked hard and looked organised in the second half. And had excellent chances to score, with Miles being really fired up.
We deserved nothing for the way we played with 11, but deserved a point for how we played with 10.
I said to my mate after half time ‘if they go 2-1 up, we are leaving’ - and we did
Got to station, as per usual trains in the north utter dog dirt - quickly realised that getting a train from Huddersfield to York had zero chance - cab to York - got home 9.30
Not sure I can do many more aways - quite simply not good enough at the moment
Well he wasn't here 12 months ago himself.
He talks a load of old waffle so assume he means last season from when he joined and it's:
AMB
REG
Gillesphey
Small
TC
Leaburn
But again, it's Jones, he's probably talking about our inability to defend over a period of time greater than 20 minutes. That dates back to, oh, I dunno, since dropping back into this dog turd league.
Another train, bound for Manchester Airport, arrived, I thought, great, they will manage to get this one through, but after a few minutes on the platform, everyone was told to get off the train. By this time there was probably a thousand people trying to get back to Manchester.
We were then told that the Railway companies were organising replacement buses and free taxis to get people back to Manchester. Another hour went by, no buses, no free taxis, people just somehow started drifting away, forking out of there own pocket to pay for taxis.
Then a station staff member came out with a megaphone, saying that the station staff had been on the phone to railway management and bus and taxi companies, but nobody was answering the phone!!
At this point, approaching 19.00 I was walking back into the station to start complaining about the awful way the passengers were being treated, when a free taxi appeared and luckily there was one space left in it.
That's not the end of the story, because the taxi driver ended up in Manchester, just as traffic and people were coming into the city centre after the City/Spurs game. We got stuck in traffic and sat stationary for a long time.
Finally, got into Piccadilly, went to catch my tram back to Altrincham, only to find it was one coming form the Ethiad, was rammed like sardines.
I finally got home around 21.00, only half an hour later than if I had gone to The Valley.
I thought I would tell this tale of trains and taxis to cheer up Charlton fans, talking about railways has always been a strong thread on CL.
Sod the football, just sort out the f**king railways
By the way, Although losing, I enjoyrd the effort shown in the second half.
I would say I did see effort, application and desire, the second half especially. We just ain't cohesive.
Anyway, onto Burton. See the other 250 of you there.
Instead by waiting for mythical trains, which then were cancelled, despite the taxi I just missed my train . A load of waiting and being passed around, so no chance of any indirect trains home. Instead I'm on a train to Derby, where a taxi will be laid on hopefully...
I feel I've dodged a bullet getting home only an hour later than scheduled. Safe travels.