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Captain Tom Moore (ed. RIP)
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Given Tom's public views on his legacy, there may be a spotlight on his solicitor if charity was not specifically and unambiguously the main beneficiary. We don't know how Tom's legal advisor was chosen. (By the daughter?).
I have personal experience of poor wills. My father (in retrospect, see you next Tuesday) left his legacy, mostly the house to his two children and my nephew. He proviso'ed that my mother could live there rent free for the rest of her natural life. For a £4 internet search, the solicitor would have found that my mother owned 50% of the property, and now all of it.0 -
I think the some of the proceeds from sales of the book did go to charity, but they trousered the advance from the publishers - a cool million quid.
Edit - 1.4 million
Like Carter says, the worst part is that this type of thing will put people off donating their hard earned to the many legitimate deserving causes out there.3 -
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Very much doubt there would have been as many book sales if people thought that the money was going into the pockets of his family and not to Toms charity.6
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And that's exactly it really isn't it?ShootersHillGuru said:Very much doubt there would have been as many book sales if people thought that the money was going into the pockets of his family and not to Toms charity.
It's not about whether they broke the law or not, it's the morality of it. More than anything, if my mum or dad were a national treasure and they had their memory unfairly tarnished I would be furious, the fact that his own daughter did it... Beyond belief.
I want a picture of that woman's face next to the word grifter in the dictionary.2 -
soapboxsam said:Having a four week break in the Caribbean paid for by the Daily Mail was too good for his daughter, her husband and the kids to turn down.
Tom was used as the poster boy and boy did that bandwagon go viral. Brilliant that mega money was raised but the manipulation was plain to see and I guess there's worse ways to die than being 100 after a month in a sunny climate in good accommodation.
BUT Tom remit as a role model for the seniors, went from being in a family bubble to being exposed to the world on flights and strangers meeting him on holiday.
I have lived by the king is in the altogether so maybe I will always see life a tad different.
So obviously not the example the rest of us did with our elderly parents when they were isolated in their own home with just one family member to assist them. Having the grandkids standing by the front door while they were in the kitchen 20 yards away.
That was so many people's situation.
The above was from July 2023 but I went against the grain much earlier than that in thinking this Captain Tom bandwagon was driven so much by the daughter and son in law.
Did anyone seriously think this 99 year old man at the time had written 3 books in a year ! 1.4 million up front.
It was a sting and so many fell for it despite 38 million being raised and hopefully going to the deserved causes from the original appeal.
The very week Tom Moore should've had his COVID jab early in December because of his age group, The family of five went on the freebie to the Caribbean for 28 days.
Going from a warm climate to cold England in January was always going to be difficult for a 100 year old, let alone with COVID rampant and the elderly very vulnerable.
Hannah and Colin Ingram-Moore put greed above anything else and yet they are the victims according to the pair of them.
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What a shame the great man's memory has been blighted by all this.3
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I don't think it has, you can admire the man and still loath the money grabbing actions of his daughter and family.Chippycafc said:What a shame the great man's memory has been blighted by all this.3 -
Looks like my contact was absolutely spot on. A shame that his grifter daughter/son in law have tarnished the great legacy that Tom tried to leave.From July 2023TelMc32 said:I used to look after a large accountancy firm and dealt a lot with one of their senior directors who lived in the same village. He told me at the time that Sir Tom was doing his fundraising that there was a lot of unease locally with the daughter and the PR “machine” that she put in place around her father. She was definitely seen as a grifter. Sad that she seems to have tarnished what should have been an amazing legacy of her own father.2 -
Lowest of the low. Hopefully the police can find a reason to prosecute1
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I’ve said it before that he wasn’t a fool and I can’t believe he can’t have had an idea what was going to happen. The fact his other daughter wanted nothing to do with it must have told him something.Hal1x said:
I don't think it has, you can admire the man and still loath the money grabbing actions of his daughter and family.Chippycafc said:What a shame the great man's memory has been blighted by all this.6 -
It's worth remembering that the Tom Moore raised £38m which went to NHS charities; and that the Tom Moore Foundation was only set up after his death.DaveMehmet said:
I’ve said it before that he wasn’t a fool and I can’t believe he can’t have had an idea what was going to happen. The fact his other daughter wanted nothing to do with it must have told him something.Hal1x said:
I don't think it has, you can admire the man and still loath the money grabbing actions of his daughter and family.Chippycafc said:What a shame the great man's memory has been blighted by all this.
I don't think any blame should be put on this man's shoulders at all. The full weight of the nation's venom should be apportioned entirely on those that personally benefited from their association with the foundation.8 -
Not saying he was involved in anyway but can’t believe he wouldn’t have had an inkling what his daughter and son in-law were doing/would do.Chizz said:
It's worth remembering that the Tom Moore raised £38m which went to NHS charities; and that the Tom Moore Foundation was only set up after his death.DaveMehmet said:
I’ve said it before that he wasn’t a fool and I can’t believe he can’t have had an idea what was going to happen. The fact his other daughter wanted nothing to do with it must have told him something.Hal1x said:
I don't think it has, you can admire the man and still loath the money grabbing actions of his daughter and family.Chippycafc said:What a shame the great man's memory has been blighted by all this.
I don't think any blame should be put on this man's shoulders at all. The full weight of the nation's venom should be apportioned entirely on those that personally benefited from their association with the foundation.0 -
It’s a tough oneDaveMehmet said:
Not saying he was involved in anyway but can’t believe he wouldn’t have had an inkling what his daughter and son in-law were doing/would do.Chizz said:
It's worth remembering that the Tom Moore raised £38m which went to NHS charities; and that the Tom Moore Foundation was only set up after his death.DaveMehmet said:
I’ve said it before that he wasn’t a fool and I can’t believe he can’t have had an idea what was going to happen. The fact his other daughter wanted nothing to do with it must have told him something.Hal1x said:
I don't think it has, you can admire the man and still loath the money grabbing actions of his daughter and family.Chippycafc said:What a shame the great man's memory has been blighted by all this.
I don't think any blame should be put on this man's shoulders at all. The full weight of the nation's venom should be apportioned entirely on those that personally benefited from their association with the foundation.
He knowingly continued to use a military rank that isn’t used by non serving military, he wasn’t daft enough to not know what was happening with the book money etc
you could argue that he raised enough to absolve himself from any wrongdoing
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Sadly people like his daughter and son in law are alarmingly common, they are like dung beatles that surface in the shadow of a loss. These people are unfortunately everywhere and every family has at least one set of them. They might keep a veneer or respectability but it lasts until the first time they can see someone else's legacy or wealth in their grabbing range. Hospices are rife with them, care homes and the homes of these loved family members less so. That would be showing human empathy or just being human. Or is it the ultimate human honesty to grab and take in times of loss unashamedly. How often do the offspring of good and successful people become good people themselves?
Ultimately a huge amount of people are as unashamed as these two leeches, turns out my family have our share of them too. Its too much for some people to graft, try and make something of themselves when all they need to do is grave rob essentially2 -
The good people of the nation were the real heroes as far as I’m concerned. He and his family never set out to raise that amount of money, the whole thing just mushroomed. Captain Tom set out to raise a few thousand and as is quite normal in this country people give generously. His daughter maintains that he said the profits from the book or books was for them. Maybe she has been telling the truth.Chizz said:
It's worth remembering that the Tom Moore raised £38m which went to NHS charities; and that the Tom Moore Foundation was only set up after his death.DaveMehmet said:
I’ve said it before that he wasn’t a fool and I can’t believe he can’t have had an idea what was going to happen. The fact his other daughter wanted nothing to do with it must have told him something.Hal1x said:
I don't think it has, you can admire the man and still loath the money grabbing actions of his daughter and family.Chippycafc said:What a shame the great man's memory has been blighted by all this.
I don't think any blame should be put on this man's shoulders at all. The full weight of the nation's venom should be apportioned entirely on those that personally benefited from their association with the foundation.
Its good that millions was raised but that family, all of them, grabbed the opportunity with both hands.2 -
These people,are on the same level as the Southalls of this world,strutting about,look at us all the good we are doing,and then when the time is ripe bang,they make their move and make their fortune.Fucking hate them,I hope a special kind of hell awaits them.9
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That is a great comparison mate. I couldn’t agree more.thickandthin63 said:These people,are on the same level as the Southalls of this world,strutting about,look at us all the good we are doing,and then when the time is ripe bang,they make their move and make their fortune.Fucking hate them,I hope a special kind of hell awaits them.How these parasites sleep at night is beyond me let alone have the thick skin to even show themselves in public.2 -
Spot on. Nobody really knows what the man was like. Sure, he came across as a sweet old boy on the telly, but who knows if he told his daughter to keep the dough from the book? It was his book about his like after all.charltonkeston said:
The good people of the nation were the real heroes as far as I’m concerned. He and his family never set out to raise that amount of money, the whole thing just mushroomed. Captain Tom set out to raise a few thousand and as is quite normal in this country people give generously. His daughter maintains that he said the profits from the book or books was for them. Maybe she has been telling the truth.Chizz said:
It's worth remembering that the Tom Moore raised £38m which went to NHS charities; and that the Tom Moore Foundation was only set up after his death.DaveMehmet said:
I’ve said it before that he wasn’t a fool and I can’t believe he can’t have had an idea what was going to happen. The fact his other daughter wanted nothing to do with it must have told him something.Hal1x said:
I don't think it has, you can admire the man and still loath the money grabbing actions of his daughter and family.Chippycafc said:What a shame the great man's memory has been blighted by all this.
I don't think any blame should be put on this man's shoulders at all. The full weight of the nation's venom should be apportioned entirely on those that personally benefited from their association with the foundation.
Its good that millions was raised but that family, all of them, grabbed the opportunity with both hands.
He helped to raise an amazing amount for charity at a time when we all needed a hero and a good news story. We should remember him for that. Not try to elevate him to sainthood.4 -
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That is a great comparison mate. I couldn’t agree more.thickandthin63 said:These people,are on the same level as the Southalls of this world,strutting about,look at us all the good we are doing,and then when the time is ripe bang,they make their move and make their fortune.Fucking hate them,I hope a special kind of hell awaits them.How these parasites sleep at night is beyond me let alone have the thick skin to even show themselves in public.
The people can take action,let local shops tell them too piss off,dont take bookings at hairdressers etc,dont serve them in pubs,dont even talk to them .AndyG said:
That is a great comparison mate. I couldn’t agree more.thickandthin63 said:These people,are on the same level as the Southalls of this world,strutting about,look at us all the good we are doing,and then when the time is ripe bang,they make their move and make their fortune.Fucking hate them,I hope a special kind of hell awaits them.How these parasites sleep at night is beyond me let alone have the thick skin to even show themselves in public.2 - Sponsored links:
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They will end up leaving the Country mate. Just like Southall they will emerge with their ill gotten gains in Dubai or somewhere like thatthickandthin63 said:AndyG said:
That is a great comparison mate. I couldn’t agree more.thickandthin63 said:These people,are on the same level as the Southalls of this world,strutting about,look at us all the good we are doing,and then when the time is ripe bang,they make their move and make their fortune.Fucking hate them,I hope a special kind of hell awaits them.How these parasites sleep at night is beyond me let alone have the thick skin to even show themselves in public.
The people can take action,let local shops tell them too piss off,dont take bookings at hairdressers etc,dont serve them in pubs,dont even talk to them .AndyG said:
That is a great comparison mate. I couldn’t agree more.thickandthin63 said:These people,are on the same level as the Southalls of this world,strutting about,look at us all the good we are doing,and then when the time is ripe bang,they make their move and make their fortune.Fucking hate them,I hope a special kind of hell awaits them.How these parasites sleep at night is beyond me let alone have the thick skin to even show themselves in public.0 -
It is for the trustees of the registered charity to decide to act of they have reason to believe that funds raised (including book advances) in the name of the charity were diverted from said charity. I've no idea who the foundation's trustees might be. Recovering amounts the trustees might consider to have been diverted will inevitably be a long expensive legal exercise where only solicitors get rich.
The Charity Commission has spoken in unusually harsh terms about the management and structure but stopped short of denouncing anything actually unlawful.
The Ingram-Moores aren't the first to configure a charity to the letter of the law and then pay themselves very handsomely for their roles within it, to the apparent detriment of that charity's distributable surplus. There's always a grey area between the strictly legal and the apparently moral. But in the court of public opinion they're common thieves. That public opinion forever cynically boiled up by the toxic hypocrites in MSM.
For those saying that the daughter and son-in-law 'only' trousered the book advance - what do you thing an 'advance' is? That ain't just a sweetener for the scribe - the publishing companies recoup the advances from any subsequent sales royalties. The publishers might take a risk on an advance exceeding royalties but that's the publishers' lookout.1 -
I don't think anyone thought 'only' the advance, after all it's a very large guaranteed slab of cash rather than what filters through from sales. Either way it's disgusting.0
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I assume this means the advance was paid direct to him and not the charity and then given to the daughter?Big William said:I don't think anyone thought 'only' the advance, after all it's a very large guaranteed slab of cash rather than what filters through from sales. Either way it's disgusting.
I guess at least there will be some tax paid so not benefitting by as much as it could have been.But as said the public perception is what counts.0 -
I'm glad you are here. Always find your posts intelligent and give a decent clearly knowledgeable sense of perspective, especially to me when I've had a real good swing then joined the pile on.Billy_Mix said:It is for the trustees of the registered charity to decide to act of they have reason to believe that funds raised (including book advances) in the name of the charity were diverted from said charity. I've no idea who the foundation's trustees might be. Recovering amounts the trustees might consider to have been diverted will inevitably be a long expensive legal exercise where only solicitors get rich.
The Charity Commission has spoken in unusually harsh terms about the management and structure but stopped short of denouncing anything actually unlawful.
The Ingram-Moores aren't the first to configure a charity to the letter of the law and then pay themselves very handsomely for their roles within it, to the apparent detriment of that charity's distributable surplus. There's always a grey area between the strictly legal and the apparently moral. But in the court of public opinion they're common thieves. That public opinion forever cynically boiled up by the toxic hypocrites in MSM.
For those saying that the daughter and son-in-law 'only' trousered the book advance - what do you thing an 'advance' is? That ain't just a sweetener for the scribe - the publishing companies recoup the advances from any subsequent sales royalties. The publishers might take a risk on an advance exceeding royalties but that's the publishers' lookout.
You are correct, legally its somewhere in the ether but morally its at best uncomfortable0 -
It was paid to a company belonging to the daughter and her husband and the “expectation” was that they would donate some of the money to the foundation. Think the cheque must have got lost in the post.valleynick66 said:l
I assume this means the advance was paid direct to him and not the charity and then given to the daughter?Big William said:I don't think anyone thought 'only' the advance, after all it's a very large guaranteed slab of cash rather than what filters through from sales. Either way it's disgusting.
I guess at least there will be some tax paid so not benefitting by as much as it could have been.But as said the public perception is what counts.0 -
Why was it paid to a company at all with no connection to Tom ? With hindsight the advance should have gone straight to charity (or some if it) I guess.Big William said:
It was paid to a company belonging to the daughter and her husband and the “expectation” was that they would donate some of the money to the foundation. Think the cheque must have got lost in the post.valleynick66 said:l
I assume this means the advance was paid direct to him and not the charity and then given to the daughter?Big William said:I don't think anyone thought 'only' the advance, after all it's a very large guaranteed slab of cash rather than what filters through from sales. Either way it's disgusting.
I guess at least there will be some tax paid so not benefitting by as much as it could have been.But as said the public perception is what counts.At least some corporation tax and/or dividend tax must have been paid to mitigate the personal gain I assume.0 -
A charity set up to further the legacy of Captain Sir Tom Moore will no longer use his name.
The Captain Tom Foundation was set up in honour of the fundraiser from Marston Moretaine, Bedfordshire. His daughter Hannah Ingram-Moore and her husband Colin Ingram-Moore later become directors.
The pair were both disqualified from being charity trustees by the Charity Commission in July after a report found they benefited from and mismanaged the foundation.
The commission confirmed the charity has applied to change its name on the Register of Charities after documents submitted to Companies House, external showed it has been renamed as The 1189808 Foundation.
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