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  • Chizz said:

    The initiative by Kent Police does not meet the legal definition of entrapment. 

    Entrapment occurs when law enforcement induces or coerces someone to commit a crime they would not have otherwise committed. The key element of entrapment is that the person was not predisposed to commit the offence but was persuaded or pressured into doing so by law enforcement.

    In the case of the policewoman walking in plain clothes, she is not encouraging, inciting, or pressuring anyone to engage in lewd or abusive behaviour. Instead, she is acting as a passive observer, creating an opportunity to detect and respond to unlawful behaviour that individuals choose to commit on their own. If someone makes the choice to direct inappropriate comments at her, they are engaging in behaviour they would likely have done regardless of the officer's presence. 

      Ultimately, the initiative is about enforcing existing laws and protecting individuals from abusive behaviour, not coercing anyone into unlawful acts. 

      If it works, and it results in men being prosecuted, then good.  And if men in Kent think they might fall foul of what they consider (wrongly) to be entrapment and decide to counter this by changing their behaviour, then very good.  

      Yes I get all that but as I said, what will be considered as plain clothes. Let’s wait and see 
    • In view of the fact Mel Sykes got done for common assault on her husband, I would have thought she could have dealt with any innuendos GW threw at her.
      She certainly wasn’t afraid of a Cocking
    • edited December 2024
      Chizz said:

      The initiative by Kent Police does not meet the legal definition of entrapment. 

      Entrapment occurs when law enforcement induces or coerces someone to commit a crime they would not have otherwise committed. The key element of entrapment is that the person was not predisposed to commit the offence but was persuaded or pressured into doing so by law enforcement.

      In the case of the policewoman walking in plain clothes, she is not encouraging, inciting, or pressuring anyone to engage in lewd or abusive behaviour. Instead, she is acting as a passive observer, creating an opportunity to detect and respond to unlawful behaviour that individuals choose to commit on their own. If someone makes the choice to direct inappropriate comments at her, they are engaging in behaviour they would likely have done regardless of the officer's presence. 

        Ultimately, the initiative is about enforcing existing laws and protecting individuals from abusive behaviour, not coercing anyone into unlawful acts. 

        If it works, and it results in men being prosecuted, then good.  And if men in Kent think they might fall foul of what they consider (wrongly) to be entrapment and decide to counter this by changing their behaviour, then very good.  

        As long as there is a clearly defined set of criteria as to what is "lewd" or "abusive"...

        Is a wolf whistle lewd or abusive? I have no doubt many women would believe it is. I have no doubt many women would see it in a different context. 

        I point out here I am not a women, so the above is supposition - maybe I'm of a generation that believes this to be the case when it might not be?

        For the avoidance of doubt, I have never said anything to a woman i don't know in the street (I'm a Charlton fan), let alone be lewd or abusive.
      • The heckling thing is an odd one for me. I've chatted to women in traffic when I was single but beeping my horn at someone I didnt know wasn't for me, unless it involved driving past a group of people, hitting the horn and waving to guarantee at least one gumbo waves at this stranger. Wolf whistling isn't something I can do so that counts me out as well. However, my missus has said before it does wonders for her self confidence being wolf-whistled or tooted by a passing car, but she isn't easily intimidated and I'm laughing to myself visualising her dealing with some creep like Millwall gregg. A polite response would be "shut up, you div". 


      • Carter said:
        The heckling thing is an odd one for me. I've chatted to women in traffic when I was single but beeping my horn at someone I didnt know wasn't for me, unless it involved driving past a group of people, hitting the horn and waving to guarantee at least one gumbo waves at this stranger. Wolf whistling isn't something I can do so that counts me out as well. However, my missus has said before it does wonders for her self confidence being wolf-whistled or tooted by a passing car, but she isn't easily intimidated and I'm laughing to myself visualising her dealing with some creep like Millwall gregg. A polite response would be "shut up, you div"


        Yep my missus said this the other day. She was on her way to a job interview in the city years ago and got wolf whistles etc on the way there - confidence boosted. Similar to your missus, she is more than capable of dealing with any unwanted behaviour - wouldn't be as polite as "shut up you div" though! 
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      • Anyone got a good recipe for shepherd pie..need it after watching that shit.
      • 2021 she quit tv.She could of said something then.No il wait 3 years till 2024.Utter tosh.Wasnt there a rumour that she quit tv was because of Keith Lemmon? As for making an arse of myself na i dont think i am.
        Trust me, you are. 
      • Anyone got a good recipe for shepherd pie..need it after watching that shit.
        Utterly pathetic. This forum reaches new lows.
      • Rizzo said:
        Nothing ever changes with you does it Chipster? You still can't actually present any relevant points when attempting to make an argument. 

        Or spell.

        Or use the quote function. 
        And likewise the nazi grammar police in you ha'snt. I was on a train going to the match on my small screen phone.

        And made relevant points earlier  unlike you who forever is playing tne man.

        This ridiculous witch hunt on a man by some people who portray themselves whiter than white is pathetic. Including you.
      • edited December 2024
        And likewise the nazi grammar police in you ha'snt. I was on a train going to the match on my small screen phone.

        And made relevant points earlier  unlike you who forever is playing tne man.

        This ridiculous witch hunt on a man by some people who portray themselves whiter than white is pathetic. Including you.
        What relevant points?

        I asked a perfectly reasonable question about whether you would be able to do one of the acts that Millwall Gregggggg has been accused of doing, and which you are so keen to defend, in your own workplace. Which we both know you absolutely wouldn't be able to get away with but of course you'd never admit it. 

        And in a debate about sexually inappropriate comments you felt it was a good idea to slip in a comment about the size of your cock. Says it all really! 
      • Gregg has upset a lot of people, especially the ladies it seems. A while back there was furore around remarks he (allegedly) made concerning the shape of some ladies during a filming of an 'Inside The Factory' episode, a programme I enjoyed except for Gregg's constant shouting and wide eyed put on amazement at every aspect of a manufacturing process
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      • swordfish said:
        Perhaps the fact that those threads lie dormant  most of the time these days is a positive and more encouraging sign of the times in that regard.
        Which has been to the detriment of the site. 
      • Never knew you was a vegetarian, you should have mentioned it.
        The reason I mentioned it was to illustrate why I know nothing about Greggggggg Wallace.
        However I do have a view on misogyny.
      • seth plum said:
        The reason I mentioned it was to illustrate why I know nothing about Greggggggg Wallace.
        However I do have a view on misogyny.
        But you came onto a thread called "MasterChef"
      • Chizz said:
        But you came onto a thread called "MasterChef"
        And?
      • seth plum said:
        And?
        You know that any angle will be used to undermine your position.
      • seth plum said:
        And?
        I just thought it was a bit surprising that someone who is a vegetarian and claims to know nothing about Gregg Wallace would open a thread called "MasterChef".  That's all.  No big deal. 
      • Chizz said:
        I just thought it was a bit surprising that someone who is a vegetarian and claims to know nothing about Gregg Wallace would open a thread called "MasterChef".  That's all.  No big deal. 
        Masterchef has been all over the news.
      • The Rest is Entertainment podcast cover this topic this week (Richard Osman). 

        Interesting observations on how it can arise in the world of TV including use of production companies and therefore potential for (initial) little or indirect BBC knowledge. Also though to what extent comments make the edits or do not and what is off the cuff or scripted  / planned. Similarly whether Wallace himself watches back to appreciate what is edited out. 

        Not a defence more an explanation and food fir thought. 
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