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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

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  • There was no pop back at the fans.… 

    Who was Jones referring to then when he said about the unjustified criticism?
  • Who was Jones referring to then when he said about the unjustified criticism?
    Probably the same people he was demanding should trust him to manage this football club after the Birmingham game…

    Confucius said:

    “He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good.”

    1 (dire) win in 9 after that Birmingham game, and a lot of failing to do the basics 
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    se9addick said:
    And in the last 1 game form table we’re top of the league!
    Now we got Nathan we're fu**** clobblers
    Allez Allez Allez
  • thenewbie said:
    Trying to remain objective and not get too carried away, but there's still cautionary details for me - yes we played well and the attacking play was much more convincing BUT it was against a team that is not doing particularly well and there was a bit of luck in that (for once) a lot of those indefinable things fell in our favour more than against us.

    While a 5-0 win is excellent, we've got to try and start getting more basic 2-0 or 2-1 type wins against decent teams before we can get too enthused. 

    We had 15 shots today, 7 on target, 5 goals. That won't happen every week, we need to be winning games where we might only get 4 or 5 chances instead.
    (Being) 2-0/ 2-1 (up) and Charlton Athletic FC do not mix well.






  • Said it on the post match thread. I’m not convinced. We shall see. 
  • I understand, but it is enought to build up the faith again (for it to then get lost in that boxing day hangover)
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    thenewbie said:
    I'm sorry but I'm not buying this at all, the "when it clicks" stuff is bollocks. We've been absolutely awful for months, literally. We've not been unlucky, we've not been creating chances that we just failed to put away, we've not been letting in an unfortunate number of worldies.

    We've been toothless up front, error prone in defence and had a midfield that can run around a lot but looks terrified of the actual ball itself.

    That system, that method, never ever looked like "clicking" at all. Any POSSIBLE recovery (and even that is not confirmed yet) is by FINALLY giving up on the sufferball shite and attempting more progressive football.

    Jones gets more time based on the latest couple of results and signs he might just change his system... but he's still been a massive disappointment so far this season, no matter how many goals we put past Northampton.

    I watched two of our academy graduates enjoy seeing their winning contributions to the game and they made a difference.
    I can only imagine spending that much of ones life for those few moments, and then when I don't quite perform seeing grownup people shout and berate me from the stands and  also now from social media try and tell me I am not worthy.
    Then as a manager of the game, when I try to change a whole club, that has been losing its way for so many years and for so many reasons, that this can be achieved in less than 12 months is quite frankly laughable.
    There is no quick fix, there is no spend lots of money and become a Manchester club.
    We need a complete rebuild, from culture, finance and structure. Perhaps Nathan can't take us to the Premiership but I believe he can, with all the support, take us to the top 4  EFL.
    It is a journey, accept the lows.
    We cannot keep sacking managers



  • I watched two of our academy graduates enjoy seeing their winning contributions to the game and they made a difference.
    I can only imagine spending that much of ones life for those few moments, and then when I don't quite perform seeing grownup people shout and berate me from the stands and  also now from social media try and tell me I am not worthy.
    Then as a manager of the game, when I try to change a whole club, that has been losing its way for so many years and for so many reasons, that this can be achieved in less than 12 months is quite frankly laughable.
    There is no quick fix, there is no spend lots of money and become a Manchester club.
    We need a complete rebuild, from culture, finance and structure. Perhaps Nathan can't take us to the Premiership but I believe he can, with all the support, take us to the top 4  EFL.
    It is a journey, accept the lows.
    We cannot keep sacking managers


    I actually agree. I did say also that based on more recent performances I think Jones should and will get more time to make changes and hopefully see progress.

    However that doesn't mean that the results and performances before that weren't awful, because they absolutely were. Jones has said for a long time that he's not happy with them himself but it's only been the last game (well game and a half technically) that he's tried anything different.

    I fully accept the lows but that does not mean enjoying them or pretending that they are not lows - and the last few months under Jones have been about as low as it gets.
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    Southbank said:
    Squib, all squids are damp

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    Yeah we're 4 points off 6th, but... We're 9 points off 5th, and 12 points off 4th.

    The 6th place spot is up for grabs at the moment but there's a lot of competition. We need a big run to not make it a lottery. 
  • Southbank said:
    Squib, all squids are damp
    That was what I picked up as wrong with what he said!
  • I don't really see that as a pop at the fans, he could mean anything. For all we know he might have been criticised by the board or the owners and told he has to do better.

    I do agree that any criticism would be fully justified though, so not sure how he can say "some not".

    I also think you're being a bit harsh, we were a mess last season and 1 transfer window and 1 pre-season is definitely not enough to address it all. He's definitely sorted the defence out, but clearly other areas need improving now as well. Look at a club like Man U, they (like us) have been a mess for years, and 1 transfer window won't be enough to address their problems.
    Whoever it was a pop at, it was sulky and a reason why a fair few people can't stomach his interviews anymore. 

    I don't think we are comparable to Man United. The Premier league is a different beast entirely. This is poxy league one. It's such a poor quality league. 

    I understand you're comparing a club with expectations, but it's not the same. A better comparison for me would be "Look at Bradford in League2" who are way below where they should be, and are making a right mess of it. That's the situation we're in.
  • NabySarr said:
    Wycombe are unbeaten in 18 games and top of the league. Not sure that counts as very winnable 

    7 points from the next 3 would be a very good showing 
    Context again though. It would be very good if we weren't chasing a pack. It's a good return if we want mid-table. If the team want promotion, they  need to win the majority of home games. 

    Luton were on a run in our last promotion and we stopped that. We gave Birmingham their first loss. It's poxy league1, any team should be fair game.

    I'll be blunt, I will always be critical while we are in this league. I think it's a complete and utter joke of a league 


  • Context again though. It would be very good if we weren't chasing a pack. It's a good return if we want mid-table. If the team want promotion, they  need to win the majority of home games. 

    Luton were on a run in our last promotion and we stopped that. We gave Birmingham their first loss. It's poxy league1, any team should be fair game.

    I'll be blunt, I will always be critical while we are in this league. I think it's a complete and utter joke of a league 


    To be fair we tend to play better against teams who are confident and we can disrupt, a 1-0 win isn't beyond the realms of possibility but I'd be happy with a hard fought draw 
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  • Jones is a good person who is sensitive to criticism. That is no reason to dislike him. 
  • I always thought that he overdid the fistpumps early on When he was celebrating with the fans. Let the players bask in the glory. 
  • Too many on here can't wait for the next defeat to prove they were right.

    Enjoy it while we can and chill out.
    Complete nonsense, but always good for a few likes. 
  • Jones is a good person who is sensitive to criticism. That is no reason to dislike him. 
    thenewbie said:
    He's also very stubborn, rather arrogant and prone to being moody. None of which are necessarily reasons to dislike him AS A PERSON but can be qualities not particularly desirable in a manager, particularly when things are not going well.
    Jones is an egotistical / arrogant bad loser who appears incapable of introspection and has treated players poorly on multiple occasions. Not saying he’s a bad person, but there’s a lot one could dislike about him 
    He doesn’t sound like a top bloke based on your descriptions of his personality to be fair! 
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    If Jones gets offended and takes a pop at fans, I don't get offended. Communinication in interveiws is clearly not his strength and having an almost blind faith in his ability is actually not a bad thing. If it is unfounded, he will be gone at some point so no harm in him thinking he can turn it round rather than thinking he can't.

    Us fans have an absolute right to call it as we see it and I'm sure most of us will continue to do so. Like most fans, I will probably go overboard with the praise  when there is something to praise but I will critcise when things are poor. My advice to Jones would be, don't get angry when fans call out poor performances and if you want to be smug, be smug on the back of sustained performances which of course we won't mind in those circumstances because all we want is this club to sort itself out.

    I don't like him with the caveat I don't really know him. But he is not there for me to like him. He is there to get results.
  • Jones is an egotistical / arrogant bad loser who appears incapable of introspection and has treated players poorly on multiple occasions. Not saying he’s a bad person, but there’s a lot one could dislike about him 
    Based on what? 
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