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  • edited January 26
    Just seen the Brentford penalty... Dont see the issue with it?

    Guehi is in simple terms... a f**king idiot for encroaching - Am sure someone will provide me with examples where its been ignored, but the majority of the time for a penalty, thats the easiest reason to give a re-take.

    Edit: lol!... I also love how Esse scores with 5mins to play, does he grab the ball and get back to restart ASAP, and so give his side a chance of getting a draw... Nope he goes off and has a knee slide of a goal celebration. I know its his first Premier League goal, but still made me laugh :D
  • That Villa goal has been coming. Only 7 mins in and it was already one way traffic 
  • Lucky its not 2-0... with Moyes having a decent start at Everton wonder how long it'll take West Ham fans to realise they were wrong?
  • edited January 26
    Every team in the bottom 8 has changed their manager this season, other than Ipswich and Spurs. I'd be amazed if that's not reduced to Ipswich by tomorrow morning.
    And even Ipswich by the day after once McKenna departs for Spurs.
  • I'm trying to do some paper work as well as watching the Claret derby. Every time I look at the TV there are more players on their back than in an episode of casualty!
  • Bolton all season have been great going forward, but flakey at the back. They sack Evatt, and under their caretaker managers yesterday go back to basics, with a functional, more solid display, winning 1-0 at Huddersfield.

    Yes Spurs have lots of injuries at the back, but there's no way they should be conceding so many goals. That's down to Big Ange and his lack of flexibility. 
    Spurs fielded 9 full internationals today. Yes they have a lot of injuries but no way should they be performing as bad as they are. Bournemouth have a lot of injuries and look at them.

    Then again as most people know the issues with Spurs are mostly down to Levy. Tons of good managers have been and gone there but the issues still remain, so you have to look beyond the manager. We're 26 days into the window and their only signing so far to help address a big injury crisis has been to sign a goalkeeper.
  • ooof that last second disallowed W Ham goal cost my boss a grand on an accy :sweat_smile: work's gonna be a barrel of laughs in the morning! 
  • Lovely result from Smellhurst. A load of soaking wet nigels trudging away pointless🤓
    And mocks in the morning...
  • A bit late to this…..

    My Son and I watched the Lewis Skelly incident.

    Was the ref too quick….. yes, should it have gone to VAR, yes.

    Was it a ‘trip’, no. Did Lewis Skelly intentionally go for the leg, yes. Was it studs up, yes. Was it above the ankle, yes. Was is cynical, yes.

    Not one bit surprised VAR didn’t overturn the decision. Still think the ref was too hasty though and should have looked at VAR.
    But it was a dirty, nasty, dangerous foul with no intent to play the ball.

  • I said VAR was wonderful and I hope anyone watching the twice taken penalty by Brentford at Palace would agree 🤔
    The best thing about this is that if the Palace player had not touched it and allowed the Brentford player to put the rebound away, it would have been disallowed.  Ok VAR may have made it be retaken anyway, but for that moment in time....

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  • MarcusH26 said:
    If Ange did go , who would Spurs go after? Can't see Iraola leaving Bournemouth for example. 

  • is it safe to leave the house yet and be seen in public?

    Jeez, thats got to be one of the worst performances I've watched at WHL for a very very long time.

    I don't think I've ever heard anti-Levy singing as loud as it was yesterday.

    Anyway, erm, where to start.  Injuries to significant players yes, but still not an excuse.  Ange shouldn't be setting the team up like he does.  Porro, may be dead on his feet as he has played every game this season but at fault again for both goals yesterday.  As much as we all complain about Levy, what is Ange's reluctance to adapt his tactics to the players he has got available to him.  Hitzelburger absolutely nailed it on MOTD2 last night re: the midfield.  I've said it pretty much the last 18 month, Ange has no idea what his best midfield is.  Maddison reported for the game yesterday but then failed a fitness test for soreness?  Like erm take some nurofen and get on with it you big jessie, no?  Soreness?  Yet it makes no sense that Sarr played 45 mins and should never have started apparently.

    Thats enough on Ange.  As for Levy, you know how I feel.  I wont bang on about that but if he has one choice now.  Sack Ange or back him.  We're into the last week of the transfer window and we've brought in a keeper and thats it.  All the reports suggest we're sticking by him.  So they need to back him.

    But...the fact that they haven't brought in any outfield players so far maybe suggests they are ready to pull the trigger.

    Its not going to get better any time soon.  Can't see where the next 3pts are coming from at the moment.



  • An odd situation for Spurs, in that they're in freefall in the league, but 1 game away from the EFL Cup final, and 1 win from progressing to the knockout stages of the Europa League.

    Indeed for both Spurs and Man U, the Europa League could turn a very poor season into a successful one. Assuming Spurs don't get relegated  :D
  • totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
  • totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
    they have been saying that for years to be fair
  • MrOneLung said:
    totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
    they have been saying that for years to be fair
    I certainly have but its always been a divisive fan base when it comes to Levy.  Not so now, he is getting everyones ire.  Not that it will make one blind bit of difference.  At the end of the day, he holds 25% of shares in ENIC.  65-70% is held by the Joe Lewis family trust, the remaining shares are minor investors.  He isn't going to walk away while they make massive money.  Even yesterday, the bars in the ground were still full 30 mins after full time.

    No one can doubt that Levy's business acumen is second to none on the commercial front.  He just doesn't know how to run the footballing side.
  • JohnBoyUK said:
    MrOneLung said:
    totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
    they have been saying that for years to be fair
    I certainly have but its always been a divisive fan base when it comes to Levy.  Not so now, he is getting everyones ire.  Not that it will make one blind bit of difference.  At the end of the day, he holds 25% of shares in ENIC.  65-70% is held by the Joe Lewis family trust, the remaining shares are minor investors.  He isn't going to walk away while they make massive money.  Even yesterday, the bars in the ground were still full 30 mins after full time.

    No one can doubt that Levy's business acumen is second to none on the commercial front.  He just doesn't know how to run the footballing side.
    This isn't much of a surprise though really as let's be honest, who wants to go for a drink anywhere else in Tottenham?

    I agree Levy isn't going to walk away though, as why would he? And whilst i totally understand why he gets stick, he could argue that he does spend money. Spurs spent almost 150m since the summer on Solanke, Gray, Odobert, Bergvall and Kinsky. The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on. For example why buy Odobert who is a winger when you have Son, Johnson, Kulusevski and Moore? When really you needed back up at LB and CB.

    Last season you spent over 200m, so that's over 350m spent in 2 seasons (although you did get 100 back for Kane). Spurs have the 3rd highest net spend in the last 5 years, more than Arsenal, City and Liverpool. 

    The big fuck up that i think Levy made was not giving Poch money to strengthen when Spurs were really good, competing at the top of the league and got to the CL final. I know the stadium had to be paid for but i think you went 2-3 transfer windows without making a proper first team signing.
  • edited January 27
    An odd situation for Spurs, in that they're in freefall in the league, but 1 game away from the EFL Cup final, and 1 win from progressing to the knockout stages of the Europa League.

    Indeed for both Spurs and Man U, the Europa League could turn a very poor season into a successful one. Assuming Spurs don't get relegated  :D
    And you could add for the other "crisis" club, Man Utd, that not only are they already as good as through to the next stage of the Europa League they have a home 4th round tie in the FA cup against Leicester that they should win.

    I only wish we could have the same sort of crisis as Spurs and Man Utd!
  • MarcusH26 said:
    If Ange did go , who would Spurs go after? Can't see Iraola leaving Bournemouth for example. 
    You look at the list of managers who have failed at Spurs…Mourinho, Pochettino, Conti, De Spirito Santo and now Ange and you could be forgiven for wondering if the fault lies elsewhere. 
  • The Spuds are better off getting in a young, up and coming manager instead of a big name IMO. 

    However they'll get nowhere until they either splash cash or properly commit to youth and building from within. 
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  • sam3110 said:
    The Spuds are better off getting in a young, up and coming manager instead of a big name IMO. 

    However they'll get nowhere until they either splash cash or properly commit to youth and building from within. 
    Levy has to go, Guadiola would fail there.
  • JohnBoyUK said:
    MrOneLung said:
    totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
    they have been saying that for years to be fair
    I certainly have but its always been a divisive fan base when it comes to Levy.  Not so now, he is getting everyones ire.  Not that it will make one blind bit of difference.  At the end of the day, he holds 25% of shares in ENIC.  65-70% is held by the Joe Lewis family trust, the remaining shares are minor investors.  He isn't going to walk away while they make massive money.  Even yesterday, the bars in the ground were still full 30 mins after full time.

    No one can doubt that Levy's business acumen is second to none on the commercial front.  He just doesn't know how to run the footballing side.
    This isn't much of a surprise though really as let's be honest, who wants to go for a drink anywhere else in Tottenham?

    I agree Levy isn't going to walk away though, as why would he? And whilst i totally understand why he gets stick, he could argue that he does spend money. Spurs spent almost 150m since the summer on Solanke, Gray, Odobert, Bergvall and Kinsky. The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on. For example why buy Odobert who is a winger when you have Son, Johnson, Kulusevski and Moore? When really you needed back up at LB and CB.

    Last season you spent over 200m, so that's over 350m spent in 2 seasons (although you did get 100 back for Kane). Spurs have the 3rd highest net spend in the last 5 years, more than Arsenal, City and Liverpool. 

    The big fuck up that i think Levy made was not giving Poch money to strengthen when Spurs were really good, competing at the top of the league and got to the CL final. I know the stadium had to be paid for but i think you went 2-3 transfer windows without making a proper first team signing.
    Yeah but he spent 70m on Solanke. 
    To me that is a criticism not something to put in the plus column 

    He wasted the Bale money when general fees were a lot lower and they could really have strengthened the team. 

    Am sure @JohnBoyUK can confirm the dross they bought
  • MrOneLung said:
    JohnBoyUK said:
    MrOneLung said:
    totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
    they have been saying that for years to be fair
    I certainly have but its always been a divisive fan base when it comes to Levy.  Not so now, he is getting everyones ire.  Not that it will make one blind bit of difference.  At the end of the day, he holds 25% of shares in ENIC.  65-70% is held by the Joe Lewis family trust, the remaining shares are minor investors.  He isn't going to walk away while they make massive money.  Even yesterday, the bars in the ground were still full 30 mins after full time.

    No one can doubt that Levy's business acumen is second to none on the commercial front.  He just doesn't know how to run the footballing side.
    This isn't much of a surprise though really as let's be honest, who wants to go for a drink anywhere else in Tottenham?

    I agree Levy isn't going to walk away though, as why would he? And whilst i totally understand why he gets stick, he could argue that he does spend money. Spurs spent almost 150m since the summer on Solanke, Gray, Odobert, Bergvall and Kinsky. The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on. For example why buy Odobert who is a winger when you have Son, Johnson, Kulusevski and Moore? When really you needed back up at LB and CB.

    Last season you spent over 200m, so that's over 350m spent in 2 seasons (although you did get 100 back for Kane). Spurs have the 3rd highest net spend in the last 5 years, more than Arsenal, City and Liverpool. 

    The big fuck up that i think Levy made was not giving Poch money to strengthen when Spurs were really good, competing at the top of the league and got to the CL final. I know the stadium had to be paid for but i think you went 2-3 transfer windows without making a proper first team signing.
    Yeah but he spent 70m on Solanke. 
    To me that is a criticism not something to put in the plus column 

    He wasted the Bale money when general fees were a lot lower and they could really have strengthened the team. 

    Am sure @JohnBoyUK can confirm the dross they bought
    Soldado and Lamela were the two big singings with that money - Eriksen signed the same summer and was a very good buy.
  • MrOneLung said:
    JohnBoyUK said:
    MrOneLung said:
    totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
    they have been saying that for years to be fair
    I certainly have but its always been a divisive fan base when it comes to Levy.  Not so now, he is getting everyones ire.  Not that it will make one blind bit of difference.  At the end of the day, he holds 25% of shares in ENIC.  65-70% is held by the Joe Lewis family trust, the remaining shares are minor investors.  He isn't going to walk away while they make massive money.  Even yesterday, the bars in the ground were still full 30 mins after full time.

    No one can doubt that Levy's business acumen is second to none on the commercial front.  He just doesn't know how to run the footballing side.
    This isn't much of a surprise though really as let's be honest, who wants to go for a drink anywhere else in Tottenham?

    I agree Levy isn't going to walk away though, as why would he? And whilst i totally understand why he gets stick, he could argue that he does spend money. Spurs spent almost 150m since the summer on Solanke, Gray, Odobert, Bergvall and Kinsky. The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on. For example why buy Odobert who is a winger when you have Son, Johnson, Kulusevski and Moore? When really you needed back up at LB and CB.

    Last season you spent over 200m, so that's over 350m spent in 2 seasons (although you did get 100 back for Kane). Spurs have the 3rd highest net spend in the last 5 years, more than Arsenal, City and Liverpool. 

    The big fuck up that i think Levy made was not giving Poch money to strengthen when Spurs were really good, competing at the top of the league and got to the CL final. I know the stadium had to be paid for but i think you went 2-3 transfer windows without making a proper first team signing.
    Yeah but he spent 70m on Solanke. 
    To me that is a criticism not something to put in the plus column 

    He wasted the Bale money when general fees were a lot lower and they could really have strengthened the team. 

    Am sure @JohnBoyUK can confirm the dross they bought
    I think we're in agreement. I said "The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on".
  • MrOneLung said:
    JohnBoyUK said:
    MrOneLung said:
    totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
    they have been saying that for years to be fair
    I certainly have but its always been a divisive fan base when it comes to Levy.  Not so now, he is getting everyones ire.  Not that it will make one blind bit of difference.  At the end of the day, he holds 25% of shares in ENIC.  65-70% is held by the Joe Lewis family trust, the remaining shares are minor investors.  He isn't going to walk away while they make massive money.  Even yesterday, the bars in the ground were still full 30 mins after full time.

    No one can doubt that Levy's business acumen is second to none on the commercial front.  He just doesn't know how to run the footballing side.
    This isn't much of a surprise though really as let's be honest, who wants to go for a drink anywhere else in Tottenham?

    I agree Levy isn't going to walk away though, as why would he? And whilst i totally understand why he gets stick, he could argue that he does spend money. Spurs spent almost 150m since the summer on Solanke, Gray, Odobert, Bergvall and Kinsky. The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on. For example why buy Odobert who is a winger when you have Son, Johnson, Kulusevski and Moore? When really you needed back up at LB and CB.

    Last season you spent over 200m, so that's over 350m spent in 2 seasons (although you did get 100 back for Kane). Spurs have the 3rd highest net spend in the last 5 years, more than Arsenal, City and Liverpool. 

    The big fuck up that i think Levy made was not giving Poch money to strengthen when Spurs were really good, competing at the top of the league and got to the CL final. I know the stadium had to be paid for but i think you went 2-3 transfer windows without making a proper first team signing.
    Yeah but he spent 70m on Solanke. 
    To me that is a criticism not something to put in the plus column 

    He wasted the Bale money when general fees were a lot lower and they could really have strengthened the team. 

    Am sure @JohnBoyUK can confirm the dross they bought
    I think we're in agreement. I said "The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on".
    I can't be expected to read all of the post !!!!
  • JohnBoyUK said:
    MrOneLung said:
    totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
    they have been saying that for years to be fair
    I certainly have but its always been a divisive fan base when it comes to Levy.  Not so now, he is getting everyones ire.  Not that it will make one blind bit of difference.  At the end of the day, he holds 25% of shares in ENIC.  65-70% is held by the Joe Lewis family trust, the remaining shares are minor investors.  He isn't going to walk away while they make massive money.  Even yesterday, the bars in the ground were still full 30 mins after full time.

    No one can doubt that Levy's business acumen is second to none on the commercial front.  He just doesn't know how to run the footballing side.
    This isn't much of a surprise though really as let's be honest, who wants to go for a drink anywhere else in Tottenham?

    I agree Levy isn't going to walk away though, as why would he? And whilst i totally understand why he gets stick, he could argue that he does spend money. Spurs spent almost 150m since the summer on Solanke, Gray, Odobert, Bergvall and Kinsky. The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on. For example why buy Odobert who is a winger when you have Son, Johnson, Kulusevski and Moore? When really you needed back up at LB and CB.

    Last season you spent over 200m, so that's over 350m spent in 2 seasons (although you did get 100 back for Kane). Spurs have the 3rd highest net spend in the last 5 years, more than Arsenal, City and Liverpool. 

    The big fuck up that i think Levy made was not giving Poch money to strengthen when Spurs were really good, competing at the top of the league and got to the CL final. I know the stadium had to be paid for but i think you went 2-3 transfer windows without making a proper first team signing.
    Yep, pretty much agree with all of that, apart from the bit on wingers...

    That was the one thing we was sure on - the ITK all said Ange wanted two different kind of wingers on both sides.  We were linked with Neto and Eze all summer.  We know Spurs asked Palace about Eze several times but they refused to budge from his release clause and wanted all the money paid up front and Levy wasn't prepared to do it.  Neto agreed personal terms and fee was agreed then Chelsea came in and offered him double his wages.  When Eze and Neto fell through, Odobert turned up.  To be fair he looked bright in his first two games then he's been injured ever since.

    Guess the plan was to use Son, Odobert and Richarlison on the left and then Kulusevski and Johnson on the right.  God knows where Werner fitted into the thinking.  Mikey Moore was only ever going to be introduced slowly and given some games in the League Cup and Europa.  That hasn't worked out given how many have been missing through injury.

    But absolutely dead right about the gaping holes at CB and LB.  Was the same last season.  Its absolutely criminal there has been no cover, especially at CB.  We lost both Romero and vdV last season and ended up with Davies playing there with Dier.   Davies is not and never will be a CB.  To be fair, he can't even play LB now either due to the lack of pace. 

    Net spend is one thing but more telling is the wages to turnover ratio...

    We just dont pay top wages to attract the top players.  I'm not talking Man City wages or possibly Chelsea/Man Utd wages but we need to be competitive.  Its the same as any workplace.  And lets be honest, since these figures were up-to-date, the wage bill has been trimmed yet further still.  The big earners were Kane and Perisic.  Son is now our top earner on £190k per week.  I did see a breakdown of all the main salary earners at big clubs a couple of weeks ago but cant find it now, I've been trying to find it again.  I can't remember what the top bracket was, but even West Ham had more players in that top bracket that Spurs did.

    MrOneLung said:
    Yeah but he spent 70m on Solanke. 
    To me that is a criticism not something to put in the plus column 

    He wasted the Bale money when general fees were a lot lower and they could really have strengthened the team. 

    Am sure @JohnBoyUK can confirm the dross they bought
    I think we're in agreement. I said "The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on".
    Yeah, we've bought some dross.  Haven't most clubs?  We've made some good signings too.  We went through 3 windows without signing anyone!

    Anyhow, what does it matter?  Nothing is changing any time soon.

    Would it surprise you if I said Maddison is now out for 2-3 weeks with a calf injury.  Its beyond a bloody joke now.
  • As an aside that chart explains why some clubs got into trouble with PSR. I hadn't realised how horrendous Leicester's finances were.
  • As an aside that chart explains why some clubs got into trouble with PSR. I hadn't realised how horrendous Leicester's finances were.
    Got away without a points deduction by being relegated I think - not a recommended way of avoiding PSR trouble but there we are.
  • JohnBoyUK said:
    JohnBoyUK said:
    MrOneLung said:
    totteringham fans finally see that Levy is THE problem in N17.
    One trophy in 24 years under his rule says it all.
    they have been saying that for years to be fair
    I certainly have but its always been a divisive fan base when it comes to Levy.  Not so now, he is getting everyones ire.  Not that it will make one blind bit of difference.  At the end of the day, he holds 25% of shares in ENIC.  65-70% is held by the Joe Lewis family trust, the remaining shares are minor investors.  He isn't going to walk away while they make massive money.  Even yesterday, the bars in the ground were still full 30 mins after full time.

    No one can doubt that Levy's business acumen is second to none on the commercial front.  He just doesn't know how to run the footballing side.
    This isn't much of a surprise though really as let's be honest, who wants to go for a drink anywhere else in Tottenham?

    I agree Levy isn't going to walk away though, as why would he? And whilst i totally understand why he gets stick, he could argue that he does spend money. Spurs spent almost 150m since the summer on Solanke, Gray, Odobert, Bergvall and Kinsky. The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on. For example why buy Odobert who is a winger when you have Son, Johnson, Kulusevski and Moore? When really you needed back up at LB and CB.

    Last season you spent over 200m, so that's over 350m spent in 2 seasons (although you did get 100 back for Kane). Spurs have the 3rd highest net spend in the last 5 years, more than Arsenal, City and Liverpool. 

    The big fuck up that i think Levy made was not giving Poch money to strengthen when Spurs were really good, competing at the top of the league and got to the CL final. I know the stadium had to be paid for but i think you went 2-3 transfer windows without making a proper first team signing.
    Yep, pretty much agree with all of that, apart from the bit on wingers...

    That was the one thing we was sure on - the ITK all said Ange wanted two different kind of wingers on both sides.  We were linked with Neto and Eze all summer.  We know Spurs asked Palace about Eze several times but they refused to budge from his release clause and wanted all the money paid up front and Levy wasn't prepared to do it.  Neto agreed personal terms and fee was agreed then Chelsea came in and offered him double his wages.  When Eze and Neto fell through, Odobert turned up.  To be fair he looked bright in his first two games then he's been injured ever since.

    Guess the plan was to use Son, Odobert and Richarlison on the left and then Kulusevski and Johnson on the right.  God knows where Werner fitted into the thinking.  Mikey Moore was only ever going to be introduced slowly and given some games in the League Cup and Europa.  That hasn't worked out given how many have been missing through injury.

    But absolutely dead right about the gaping holes at CB and LB.  Was the same last season.  Its absolutely criminal there has been no cover, especially at CB.  We lost both Romero and vdV last season and ended up with Davies playing there with Dier.   Davies is not and never will be a CB.  To be fair, he can't even play LB now either due to the lack of pace. 

    Net spend is one thing but more telling is the wages to turnover ratio...

    We just dont pay top wages to attract the top players.  I'm not talking Man City wages or possibly Chelsea/Man Utd wages but we need to be competitive.  Its the same as any workplace.  And lets be honest, since these figures were up-to-date, the wage bill has been trimmed yet further still.  The big earners were Kane and Perisic.  Son is now our top earner on £190k per week.  I did see a breakdown of all the main salary earners at big clubs a couple of weeks ago but cant find it now, I've been trying to find it again.  I can't remember what the top bracket was, but even West Ham had more players in that top bracket that Spurs did.

    MrOneLung said:
    Yeah but he spent 70m on Solanke. 
    To me that is a criticism not something to put in the plus column 

    He wasted the Bale money when general fees were a lot lower and they could really have strengthened the team. 

    Am sure @JohnBoyUK can confirm the dross they bought
    I think we're in agreement. I said "The problem is not the money spent but who it was spent on".
    Yeah, we've bought some dross.  Haven't most clubs?  We've made some good signings too.  We went through 3 windows without signing anyone!

    Anyhow, what does it matter?  Nothing is changing any time soon.

    Would it surprise you if I said Maddison is now out for 2-3 weeks with a calf injury.  Its beyond a bloody joke now.
    I have two good mates who are Tottenham fans. Trust me, it's still funny.
  • As an aside that chart explains why some clubs got into trouble with PSR. I hadn't realised how horrendous Leicester's finances were.
    Got away without a points deduction by being relegated I think - not a recommended way of avoiding PSR trouble but there we are.
    But then still had to sell their biggest asset, Dewsbury-Hall before the end of last June to get past PSR. 

    How Leicester got relegated in 22/23 is still a massive mystery. Vardy only scoring 3 goals in a team with Harvey Barnes, Maddison and Tielemans is baffling, when at the age of 37/38 he's got 7 already this season.
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