Playoffs Guaranteed Minimum - Good Friday

MarcusH26 · January 29

charlton_hero said:

arny23394 said:

If we get a couple of reinforcements there is absolutely no reason why we can’t get in and win the play offs - this league is astoundingly shit. Orient played an 83 year old Darren Pratley and a useless Sean Clare in CM together last night & won 6-2 ffs.

Orient look as though they've done some shrewd business this window. The young lad they signed on a perm from Swansea scored at hattrick last night. Markanday also got on the score sheet.

Markandy I think will turn out to be a very good move from them , had a lot of promise at Spurs as youngster but has had a couple of average loans since then but he's clearly talented.

MuttleyCAFC · January 29

As we stand now after three wins, we have a great chance of making the play offs. If you look at early posts on this thread, some were suggesting Barnsley would be hard to catch! We can now look at Huddersfield as catchable.

se9addick · January 29

arny23394 said:

If we get a couple of reinforcements there is absolutely no reason why we can’t get in and win the play offs - this league is astoundingly shit. Orient played an 83 year old Darren Pratley and a useless Sean Clare in CM together last night & won 6-2 ffs.

whomever wins this years League One playoffs will be the worst team in the history of English football to get promoted. It could be us!

hoof_it_up_to_benty · January 29

arny23394 said:

If we get a couple of reinforcements there is absolutely no reason why we can’t get in and win the play offs - this league is astoundingly shit. Orient played an 83 year old Darren Pratley and a useless Sean Clare in CM together last night & won 6-2 ffs.

Sean Clare scored a cracking goal last night..

se9addick · January 29

PrincessFiona said:

se9addick said:

Exiled_Addick said:

SELR_addicks said:

First time after a period of games where I've thought that we could just about manage it.

Obviously need to keep this form up for the rest of the season.

Actually, we don't. We have 21 points from the last 10 games or 2.1 pts per game. That'd be another 39 or 40 points at that rate over the rest of the season. 83 points would have us closer to 4th than 6th. We need to keep this going for a few more weeks to get fully back into those top 6 places, and then we can hopefully come off the gas a little and maintain our play-off spot for the rest of the year. I don't think we'll be able to maintain over 2 points per game for the rest of the season, so we need to make hay while the sun shines.

It’s not about just getting into the playoffs, it’s about winning them. For that having as much momentum as possible would be beneficial.

But are we anywhere near the level needed for the Championship? Surely just by getting to the playoffs or even just missing out demonstrates to the owners that we nearly have a squad for the Championship?
And then hopefully they will see it is worth that extra investment, as so nearly there.

If we finished half way or lower, they might consider the investment needed just too much

If this squad was in the Championship we’d get battered. I like watching Championship games on TV and the thing you notice is how quick the pace is - I think we’d really, really struggle.

Now of course I think we’d invest if we were to get promoted, but beyond Lloyd Jones, Small and maybe Miles I’m not sure how many more of our current squad could be starters in the Championship if we want to survive.

killerandflash · January 29

se9addick said:

PrincessFiona said:

se9addick said:

Exiled_Addick said:

SELR_addicks said:

First time after a period of games where I've thought that we could just about manage it.

Obviously need to keep this form up for the rest of the season.

Actually, we don't. We have 21 points from the last 10 games or 2.1 pts per game. That'd be another 39 or 40 points at that rate over the rest of the season. 83 points would have us closer to 4th than 6th. We need to keep this going for a few more weeks to get fully back into those top 6 places, and then we can hopefully come off the gas a little and maintain our play-off spot for the rest of the year. I don't think we'll be able to maintain over 2 points per game for the rest of the season, so we need to make hay while the sun shines.

It’s not about just getting into the playoffs, it’s about winning them. For that having as much momentum as possible would be beneficial.

But are we anywhere near the level needed for the Championship? Surely just by getting to the playoffs or even just missing out demonstrates to the owners that we nearly have a squad for the Championship?
And then hopefully they will see it is worth that extra investment, as so nearly there.

If we finished half way or lower, they might consider the investment needed just too much

If this squad was in the Championship we’d get battered. I like watching Championship games on TV and the thing you notice is how quick the pace is - I think we’d really, really struggle.

Now of course I think we’d invest if we were to get promoted, but beyond Lloyd Jones, Small and maybe Miles I’m not sure how many more of our current squad could be starters in the Championship if we want to survive.

From last season's promoted teams, Pompey and Derby (surprisingly) are near the bottom, but Oxford under Rowett are now midtable. If they can stay up, then it's not impossible to adapt.

se9addick · January 29

killerandflash said:

se9addick said:

PrincessFiona said:

se9addick said:

Exiled_Addick said:

SELR_addicks said:

First time after a period of games where I've thought that we could just about manage it.

Obviously need to keep this form up for the rest of the season.

Actually, we don't. We have 21 points from the last 10 games or 2.1 pts per game. That'd be another 39 or 40 points at that rate over the rest of the season. 83 points would have us closer to 4th than 6th. We need to keep this going for a few more weeks to get fully back into those top 6 places, and then we can hopefully come off the gas a little and maintain our play-off spot for the rest of the year. I don't think we'll be able to maintain over 2 points per game for the rest of the season, so we need to make hay while the sun shines.

It’s not about just getting into the playoffs, it’s about winning them. For that having as much momentum as possible would be beneficial.

But are we anywhere near the level needed for the Championship? Surely just by getting to the playoffs or even just missing out demonstrates to the owners that we nearly have a squad for the Championship?
And then hopefully they will see it is worth that extra investment, as so nearly there.

If we finished half way or lower, they might consider the investment needed just too much

If this squad was in the Championship we’d get battered. I like watching Championship games on TV and the thing you notice is how quick the pace is - I think we’d really, really struggle.

Now of course I think we’d invest if we were to get promoted, but beyond Lloyd Jones, Small and maybe Miles I’m not sure how many more of our current squad could be starters in the Championship if we want to survive.

From last season's promoted teams, Pompey and Derby (surprisingly) are near the bottom, but Oxford under Rowett are now midtable. If they can stay up, then it's not impossible to adapt.

Not being impossible doesn’t mean it’s likely to be possible!

BalladMan · January 29

Just one omen to look out for. Every year I have run a maraton (18,19, due to run London this year) Charlton have been in playoffs. Get your bets on now......

charente addick · January 29

Don't know but I would say it's now more marginally likely than unlikely.

Leuth · January 29

It's a coinflip imo

WillmoreTheRed · January 29

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

cafcnick1992 · January 29

I will be at Blackpool this weekend, ready to slag off the lads if they make a single mistake

Comeonyoureds · January 29

arny23394 said:

If we get a couple of reinforcements there is absolutely no reason why we can’t get in and win the play offs - this league is astoundingly shit. Orient played an 83 year old Darren Pratley and a useless Sean Clare in CM together last night & won 6-2 ffs.

Jaiyesmi came off the bench for them, they are just a bunch of Charlton rejects

killerandflash · January 29

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

???

The teams around us aren't going to win every game, there's still 18/19 games to go.

Blackpool themselves, 6 points below us, will still think they can make the playoffs.

Elthamaddick · January 29

momentum is building nicely and we've a settled side playing well.

keep everyone (key players) fit and I genuinely think we'll make the playoffs

Manic_mania · January 29

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

Just curious but why do you think that? Are you expecting every team in the top 8 to suddenly go on an orient like run til the end of the season? It seems unlikely.

We will need about 10 wins and maybe 3 or 4 draws most likely if its a higher than average scoring play off position this year (which i even doubt it will be). Obviously the more wins the better but unless we have aspirations of top 2 we definitely DON'T need to win every single week as nice as it would be and losing or drawing 1 game will not put top 6 beyond us with 19 games to go.

arny23394 · January 29

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

arny23394 said:

If we get a couple of reinforcements there is absolutely no reason why we can’t get in and win the play offs - this league is astoundingly shit. Orient played an 83 year old Darren Pratley and a useless Sean Clare in CM together last night & won 6-2 ffs.

Sean Clare scored a cracking goal last night..

And? Aaron Henry scored an incredible volley against a championship side a few years back - doesn’t mean he’s a good footballer.

Callumcafc · January 29

Hertsseasider said:

Saturday will be a good test of our respective chances. Safe trip up for those travelling

https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/play-offs.59523/#post-1527289

You lot have a very odd home record this season.

Won 2 Drawn 7 Lost 2

Only two teams lower in the home form table: Crawley and Burton. Can you put your finger on why you’re 22nd in the home table but 4th in the away table?

se9addick · January 29

Manic_mania said:

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

Just curious but why do you think that? Are you expecting every team in the top 8 to suddenly go on an orient like run til the end of the season? It seems unlikely.

We will need about 10 wins and maybe 3 or 4 draws most likely if its a higher than average scoring play off position this year (which i even doubt it will be). Obviously the more wins the better but unless we have aspirations of top 2 we definitely DON'T need to win every single week as nice as it would be and losing or drawing 1 game will not put top 6 beyond us with 19 games to go.

Are you making Willmore’s point for them? We have 19 games left, so winning 10 games would be winning “most” of our remaining matches.

Callumcafc · January 29

se9addick said:

Manic_mania said:

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

Just curious but why do you think that? Are you expecting every team in the top 8 to suddenly go on an orient like run til the end of the season? It seems unlikely.

We will need about 10 wins and maybe 3 or 4 draws most likely if its a higher than average scoring play off position this year (which i even doubt it will be). Obviously the more wins the better but unless we have aspirations of top 2 we definitely DON'T need to win every single week as nice as it would be and losing or drawing 1 game will not put top 6 beyond us with 19 games to go.

Are you making Willmore’s point for them? We have 19 games left, so winning 10 games would be winning “most” of our remaining matches.

I think the point is that we are too far away from the end of the season yet for any single result to really mean much (“lose or draw Saturday and it’s unlikely”). It’s losing 3 or 4 games in 5 that would kill our chances.

We lost at Rotherham and everyone was very keen to say no chance. Two games later and we’re actually closer than we were before that game kicked off.

We could be in the same position a week from Saturday if we lost to Blackpool but beat Stevenage and Peterborough.

se9addick · January 29

Callumcafc said:

se9addick said:

Manic_mania said:

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

Just curious but why do you think that? Are you expecting every team in the top 8 to suddenly go on an orient like run til the end of the season? It seems unlikely.

We will need about 10 wins and maybe 3 or 4 draws most likely if its a higher than average scoring play off position this year (which i even doubt it will be). Obviously the more wins the better but unless we have aspirations of top 2 we definitely DON'T need to win every single week as nice as it would be and losing or drawing 1 game will not put top 6 beyond us with 19 games to go.

Are you making Willmore’s point for them? We have 19 games left, so winning 10 games would be winning “most” of our remaining matches.

I think the point is that we are too far away from the end of the season yet for any single result to really mean much (“lose or draw Saturday and it’s unlikely”). It’s losing 3 or 4 games in 5 that would kill our chances.

We lost at Rotherham and everyone was very keen to say no chance. Two games later and we’re actually closer than we were before that game kicked off.

We could be in the same position a week from Saturday if we lost to Blackpool but beat Stevenage and Peterborough.

Oh I’d agree with that. Beating Bristol Rovers last night doesn’t mean we’re definitely in, losing on Saturday doesn’t mean we’re definitely out. It’s just the nature of football forums that what you’ll often see post match is as much an emotional reaction to what people have just seen.

WillmoreTheRed · January 29

Manic_mania said:

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

Just curious but why do you think that? Are you expecting every team in the top 8 to suddenly go on an orient like run til the end of the season? It seems unlikely.

We will need about 10 wins and maybe 3 or 4 draws most likely if its a higher than average scoring play off position this year (which i even doubt it will be). Obviously the more wins the better but unless we have aspirations of top 2 we definitely DON'T need to win every single week as nice as it would be and losing or drawing 1 game will not put top 6 beyond us with 19 games to go.

We still have Birmingham, Orient, Barnsley, Stockport, Huddersfield, Wycome and Wrexham to play.

That's 7 out of 18/19 games or whatever it is that I would consider very tough games, plus anyone can beat anyone in this league so none of the teams below us are easy games really - we may be on a good run of form at the minute but all it takes is an injury or two to the likes of someone like Jones, Small or TC and the whole dynamic might change again.

I know last night in the first half we created a lot but that felt like a rarity.

fenaddick · January 29

WillmoreTheRed said:

Manic_mania said:

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

Just curious but why do you think that? Are you expecting every team in the top 8 to suddenly go on an orient like run til the end of the season? It seems unlikely.

We will need about 10 wins and maybe 3 or 4 draws most likely if its a higher than average scoring play off position this year (which i even doubt it will be). Obviously the more wins the better but unless we have aspirations of top 2 we definitely DON'T need to win every single week as nice as it would be and losing or drawing 1 game will not put top 6 beyond us with 19 games to go.

We still have Birmingham, Orient, Barnsley, Stockport, Huddersfield, Wycome and Wrexham to play.

That's 7 out of 18/19 games or whatever it is that I would consider very tough games, plus anyone can beat anyone in this league so none of the teams below us are easy games really - we may be on a good run of form at the minute but all it takes is an injury or two to the likes of someone like Jones, Small or TC and the whole dynamic might change again.

I know last night in the first half we created a lot but that felt like a rarity.

Take Birmingham out of it and that’s 6 games where we can take points off and close the gap to those above us. This team has shown they play well against bigger teams (unbeaten against Bolton, Birmingham, Stockport, Wrexham, Wycombe) and we beat Orient too. The teams against the bottom half are where we’ve found it toughest but that seems to be changing

WillmoreTheRed · January 29

Manic_mania said:

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

Just curious but why do you think that? Are you expecting every team in the top 8 to suddenly go on an orient like run til the end of the season? It seems unlikely.

We will need about 10 wins and maybe 3 or 4 draws most likely if its a higher than average scoring play off position this year (which i even doubt it will be). Obviously the more wins the better but unless we have aspirations of top 2 we definitely DON'T need to win every single week as nice as it would be and losing or drawing 1 game will not put top 6 beyond us with 19 games to go.

Without bringing some creative players in I just don't see us keeping up with that pack, I think we will fall away sadly.

Manic_mania · January 29

se9addick said:

Manic_mania said:

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

Just curious but why do you think that? Are you expecting every team in the top 8 to suddenly go on an orient like run til the end of the season? It seems unlikely.

We will need about 10 wins and maybe 3 or 4 draws most likely if its a higher than average scoring play off position this year (which i even doubt it will be). Obviously the more wins the better but unless we have aspirations of top 2 we definitely DON'T need to win every single week as nice as it would be and losing or drawing 1 game will not put top 6 beyond us with 19 games to go.

Are you making Willmore’s point for them? We have 19 games left, so winning 10 games would be winning “most” of our remaining matches.

That wasn't how I had interpreted the comment I was responding to. I'd consider 10 wins of 19 as "about half" but that's just me.

Thanks for the explanation willmore it's interesting to see that side of it
I think based on how we have played against the top teams compared to the lower mids this season and historically I'm actually more confident of us picking up points against Wrexham or Wycombe away than I am Blackpool or Stevenage to be honest.

guinnessaddick · January 29

The important thing is if we lose a game, it must be followed up with a win.

Crispy · January 29

WillmoreTheRed said:

Manic_mania said:

WillmoreTheRed said:

Lose or draw Saturday and it's unlikely I think - realistically we need to win most games left.

Just curious but why do you think that? Are you expecting every team in the top 8 to suddenly go on an orient like run til the end of the season? It seems unlikely.

We will need about 10 wins and maybe 3 or 4 draws most likely if its a higher than average scoring play off position this year (which i even doubt it will be). Obviously the more wins the better but unless we have aspirations of top 2 we definitely DON'T need to win every single week as nice as it would be and losing or drawing 1 game will not put top 6 beyond us with 19 games to go.

We still have Birmingham, Orient, Barnsley, Stockport, Huddersfield, Wycome and Wrexham to play.

That's 7 out of 18/19 games or whatever it is that I would consider very tough games, plus anyone can beat anyone in this league so none of the teams below us are easy games really - we may be on a good run of form at the minute but all it takes is an injury or two to the likes of someone like Jones, Small or TC and the whole dynamic might change again.

I know last night in the first half we created a lot but that felt like a rarity.

Picked up 12 points from those 7 teams in the first half of the season. If we can do that again then that would leave us needing a likely 20 points from the remaining 12 games, with a lot of those at home against bottom half sides - certainly doable!

Callumcafc · January 29

Is anyone ready for the possibility of it being in our own hands going into the last game of the season and we get turned over by Burton Albion and drop out of the playoff places yet? :-)

LargeAddick · January 29

Callumcafc said:

Is anyone ready for the possibility of it being in our own hands going into the last game of the season and we get turned over by Burton Albion and drop out of the playoff places yet? :-)

That would be so like us.

WillmoreTheRed · January 29

It's a big IF - I'm of the opinion it is completely doable but we'd need luck on our sides regarding other teams and we'd need to be very very consistent til the end of the season.

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