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++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++
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I'm sorry but this is absolute nonsense.Exiled_Addick said:Kone did fuck all today until Jones went up front for the last 5 minutes. Apart from try to break Jones’ nose.
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Don't get the hype at all. Seems like a player that's easy to mark out of the game and then he loses his rag like he did in the semi final.stoneroses19 said:After Wycombe games last season and today, I don't understand why so many people still think he's great and would want him in our side. If Jones is in his usual position at end today, then Kone doesn't score.3 -
I just don’t understand the Kelman criticism he’s barely had any chances at all because the way we play gives him fuck all. I’m not sure he suits our system. I feel like he was signed based off our goal record and the hope we can mold him into the type of striker that fits us but it remains to be seen if that can be done.1
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Genuinely feel bad for him. He's gone from having Ethan Galbraith & Jamie Donley behind him who can actually pick a pass and spot a run, to having players behind him whose passing standards wouldn't look out of place in League 2 at times.
Even Harry Kane would look half the players in this system with the creative quality.2 -
I’m not the most tactically minded person (far from it), but it just doesn’t sit right with me that a player’s ineffectiveness is completely down to set-up and the impact of other players.
If a striker isn’t getting much service, then the goals may not be plentiful, but have something else to offer?Strength, pace, shithousery - just something. Make an impact on the game in whatever way you can.A player can’t 100% be absolved of responsibility just because other players aren’t doing certain things.I just don’t buy “it’s just not set up for him” as being the only reason. Yes, of course it has an impact - but it has to be met half way surely?
This isn’t an isolated critique of Charlie Kelman only by the way, but I just want more accountability to be on players themselves if they’re not adding anything.12 -
Yeah but apart from that what did he dokillerandflash said:
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/26947/13421333/queens-park-rangers-3-1-charlton-athletic-championship-highlightsExiled_Addick said:Kone did fuck all today until Jones went up front for the last 5 minutes. Apart from try to break Jones’ nose.
Watching the highlights, he should have had an assist right at the start, when Dembele missed a sitter. And then his dummy let the ball run to Smyth for their 1st goal.0 -
Not how it works in modern professional football though unfortunately.cafctom said:I’m not the most tactically minded person (far from it), but it just doesn’t sit right with me that a player’s ineffectiveness is completely down to set-up and the impact of other players.
If a striker isn’t getting much service, then the goals may not be plentiful, but have something else to offer?Strength, pace, shithousery - just something. Make an impact on the game in whatever way you can.A player can’t 100% be absolved of responsibility just because other players aren’t doing certain things.I just don’t buy “it’s just not set up for him” as being the only reason. Yes, of course it has an impact - but it has to be met half way surely?
This isn’t an isolated critique of Charlie Kelman only by the way, but I just want more accountability to be on players themselves if they’re not adding anything.
If a striker is asked to do a job and that is to occupy the space between the centre halfs and wait for a ball over the top, and that ball never comes, the last thing most managers would want is that striker to then drop deeper or go out wide to try and receive the ball in a different way, because he'll invariably change the shape and the way the team is pressing etc.
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That’s why I said that I realise the shape and tactical set up will of course play a part.sam3110 said:
Not how it works in modern professional football though unfortunately.cafctom said:I’m not the most tactically minded person (far from it), but it just doesn’t sit right with me that a player’s ineffectiveness is completely down to set-up and the impact of other players.
If a striker isn’t getting much service, then the goals may not be plentiful, but have something else to offer?Strength, pace, shithousery - just something. Make an impact on the game in whatever way you can.A player can’t 100% be absolved of responsibility just because other players aren’t doing certain things.I just don’t buy “it’s just not set up for him” as being the only reason. Yes, of course it has an impact - but it has to be met half way surely?
This isn’t an isolated critique of Charlie Kelman only by the way, but I just want more accountability to be on players themselves if they’re not adding anything.
If a striker is asked to do a job and that is to occupy the space between the centre halfs and wait for a ball over the top, and that ball never comes, the last thing most managers would want is that striker to then drop deeper or go out wide to try and receive the ball in a different way, because he'll invariably change the shape and the way the team is pressing etc.
Fans love headless chicken strikers, managers less soBut at Championship level, a team that is expected to be in the bottom half like ours cannot afford for any players to be solely dependent on factors outside of themselves.
Let’s take someone like Chuks as an example. Not a prolific goal scorer last season at all, but if he came on then at least he had one or two traits that could impact something.
Even if it’s something as little as making the defender think “ffs, how am I going to deal with this unit?”
Same could be said about a player like Leaburn. The balls into him aren’t exactly perfect, but there is still a presence he offers that will always keep defenders on their toes
If a player comes on that the opposition know has something that can be an issue outside of the 18 yard box then it could shift they way they are set up which changes the flow of things.
So far whenever Kelman has come on I haven’t noticed any material positive change in our play.2 -
Are you saying bring back Chuks ?
Has he joined anyone1 -
The service the strikers are getting is also gash atm4
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And that's being kind.palarsehater said:The service the strikers are getting is also gash atm1 -
Bamford is available - keep him fit and would be a great signing at this level ..4
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I actually thought he looked quite good when he came on yesterday. None of our strikers have set it alight, so not gonna slag him off tbh.4
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Probably earned decent wages that we probably haven’t got the budget for.Valleysarr said:Bamford is available - keep him fit and would be a great signing at this level ..0 -
Out of interest does anyone know why he was getting so much abuse from their fans yesterday? Obvs I know he played for them but the constant booing and ‘Kelman, you’re a…’ chant? Did he leave on bad terms or something?0
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Deleted everything related to QPR on his socials after the move to us was nearly done and was pushing for a move this summer and refused to sign a new contract.JaShea99 said:Out of interest does anyone know why he was getting so much abuse from their fans yesterday? Obvs I know he played for them but the constant booing and ‘Kelman, you’re a…’ chant? Did he leave on bad terms or something?1 -
Football fans are objectively an irrational bunch .Crispywood said:
Deleted everything related to QPR on his socials after the move to us was nearly done and was pushing for a move this summer and refused to sign a new contract.JaShea99 said:Out of interest does anyone know why he was getting so much abuse from their fans yesterday? Obvs I know he played for them but the constant booing and ‘Kelman, you’re a…’ chant? Did he leave on bad terms or something?2 -
The majority of striker signings are a gamble - decent strikers at Championship level are few and far between.
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Agreed, and that was when leaburn was still on the pitch, disappeared when miles was taken off (which was a weird decision anyway).YTS1978 said:I actually thought he looked quite good when he came on yesterday. None of our strikers have set it alight, so not gonna slag him off tbh.1 -
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Feels like we've signed all this attacking talent but don't yet know how to utilise them to be effective in our set up.9
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Way too early to reach a conclusion, but I'm old enough to remember Andy Jones arriving on the back of banging in goals at a lower level for a big fee (well it was in those days). Never really happened for him with us though. C'mon lad. Prove me wrong.3
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swordfish said:Way too early to reach a conclusion, but I'm old enough to remember Andy Jones arriving on the back of banging in goals at a lower level for a big fee (well it was in those days). Never really happened for him with us though. C'mon lad. Prove me wrong.He came from Port Vale, I believe they were second division at the time. The fee was supposedly around 350k1
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Jones was in the old Div 3, and went up to Div 1, so bigger jumpElfsborgAddick said:swordfish said:Way too early to reach a conclusion, but I'm old enough to remember Andy Jones arriving on the back of banging in goals at a lower level for a big fee (well it was in those days). Never really happened for him with us though. C'mon lad. Prove me wrong.He came from Port Vale, I believe they were second division at the time. The fee was supposedly around 350k1 -
10 games, then we will have a good idea.
He still has 42 league games to score 10 goals and he will have been worth his price tag. You just don't really get prolific forwards in this league and if you do, they're more 10s of millions or ain't in this league very long.3 -
I think even 7 or 8 goals would be a decent return. Either way this season won’t determine whether he’s worth the price tag, we’ve signed him for the player he will be in 2-3 years time imoBraziliance said:10 games, then we will have a good idea.
He still has 42 league games to score 10 goals and he will have been worth his price tag. You just don't really get prolific forwards in this league and if you do, they're more 10s of millions or ain't in this league very long.2 -
Yeah I am patient with him. I know people will then maybe say what about Gas but the difference is I think Kelman has a higher ceiling and far more proven.NabySarr said:
I think even 7 or 8 goals would be a decent return. Either way this season won’t determine whether he’s worth the price tag, we’ve signed him for the player he will be in 2-3 years time imoBraziliance said:10 games, then we will have a good idea.
He still has 42 league games to score 10 goals and he will have been worth his price tag. You just don't really get prolific forwards in this league and if you do, they're more 10s of millions or ain't in this league very long.
I believe it will click for him, just going to take some time. I don't think his price tag should be dangled over him either as it's genuinely a snip at this level.4 -
Whoever our two main strikers are this season, if they can manage a total of 20 goals between them it will give us a fighting chance of staying up.
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No way have we spent £3.5m (or whatever the fee was) on his potential in 2 or 3 years time. For us that's the sort of money where we will need results this season.NabySarr said:
I think even 7 or 8 goals would be a decent return. Either way this season won’t determine whether he’s worth the price tag, we’ve signed him for the player he will be in 2-3 years time imoBraziliance said:10 games, then we will have a good idea.
He still has 42 league games to score 10 goals and he will have been worth his price tag. You just don't really get prolific forwards in this league and if you do, they're more 10s of millions or ain't in this league very long.
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Even 10 games might not necessarily tell us whether he can still click once the side does. After 10 league games Matt Godden had 3 goals. In the last 10 league games he scored 8. Jones teams can take ages to get going and we were rubbish until December last year, as you say 42 games left to make an impression.Braziliance said:10 games, then we will have a good idea.
He still has 42 league games to score 10 goals and he will have been worth his price tag. You just don't really get prolific forwards in this league and if you do, they're more 10s of millions or ain't in this league very long.2
