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  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,767
    At least it is one club no one will be worrying about whether they'll have an interest in Jones.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,675
    Can’t remember exactly but since Ralph Hassenhurtl Saints have had something like five manages and only one has managed to win two games, Russell Martin.
  • siblers
    siblers Posts: 2,032
    LargeAddick said:
    As said above Still interviews terribly and I can’t imagine he’d be that inspiring to his players.killerandflash said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Who’s next? Liam Manning or Will Still?
    Both very soon I imagine.  Will Still won't be at Southampton by the time we play them
    He came back to this country with this big reputation, yet whenever you hear him interviewed after games he sounds completely gormless and totally uninspiring.
    Get the impression he's very good with stats and using tech for patterns, tactics etc but might not transcribe to being a good manager.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,010
    JustFloydRoad said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Not sure who's going to want to go to Wolves. The owners seem desperate to sell and have seemed to have turned off the taps financially , I assume with pressure from Beijing. 



    Think Boro have possibly got a better chance of being in the Premier League next season than Wolves.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,220
    RC_CAFC said:
    At least it is one club no one will be worrying about whether they'll have an interest in Jones.

    I was talking about this earlier to @SoundAsa£ earlier, perhaps the Norwich post could be attractive for both parties?
    However, the topic got onto money and I thought Jones would be on about 20k a week with us. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,220
    North Lower Neil said:
    JustFloydRoad said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Not sure who's going to want to go to Wolves. The owners seem desperate to sell and have seemed to have turned off the taps financially , I assume with pressure from Beijing. 



    Think Boro have possibly got a better chance of being in the Premier League next season than Wolves.

    Both toilets to live in, flip a coin.
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,767
    siblers said:
    LargeAddick said:
    As said above Still interviews terribly and I can’t imagine he’d be that inspiring to his players.killerandflash said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Who’s next? Liam Manning or Will Still?
    Both very soon I imagine.  Will Still won't be at Southampton by the time we play them
    He came back to this country with this big reputation, yet whenever you hear him interviewed after games he sounds completely gormless and totally uninspiring.
    Get the impression he's very good with stats and using tech for patterns, tactics etc but might not transcribe to being a good manager.
    Maybe he sounds very inspiring in French.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,986
    edited November 3
    I heard a stat yesterday that since the play off final, Southampton had only won 4 of their 51 games. Grim.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,117
    JustFloydRoad said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Not sure who's going to want to go to Wolves. The owners seem desperate to sell and have seemed to have turned off the taps financially , I assume with pressure from Beijing. 



    If i'm Rob Edwards there's no way i'm going to Wolves. i'd just continue rebuilding my reputation back up at Boro and seeing where that goes. Wolves are a mess and that's not really something you want to be a part of, as then it'll be two PL relegations on your CV.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,115
    Yeah despite the links to Wolves that Edwards has , far better off staying at Boro than jumping into the mess at Wolves. 

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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,117
    Also if he gets Boro up he's then known as a manager with 2 promotions to the PL on his CV.

    If Wolves go down, Pereira will be forgotten and Edwards will be tarnished as the manager who took them down. And if they have a bad winter of results it's highly possible he doesn't even see out the season (see Jones at Southampton) and then you're labelled as a 'shit PL manager' even though the team were an utter shambles.

    Jones is tarnished by Southampton even though they were rubbish under Hassenhuttl before him and then Selles did just as badly after him.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,986
    No way will Boro go up automatically imo. Coventry and Ipswich most likely 
  • brownbear
    brownbear Posts: 86
    RC_CAFC said:
    siblers said:
    LargeAddick said:
    As said above Still interviews terribly and I can’t imagine he’d be that inspiring to his players.killerandflash said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Who’s next? Liam Manning or Will Still?
    Both very soon I imagine.  Will Still won't be at Southampton by the time we play them
    He came back to this country with this big reputation, yet whenever you hear him interviewed after games he sounds completely gormless and totally uninspiring.
    Get the impression he's very good with stats and using tech for patterns, tactics etc but might not transcribe to being a good manager.
    Maybe he sounds very inspiring in French.
    I think the problem with some of the modern 'Laptop' managers, is that they can work at youth levels with impressionable youngsters, but man management and player buy-in is much more important in the first team environment. Players like Armstrong, Fraser, Aribo and Jack Stephens will all be on PL money, and will undoubtedly do the old 'quiet quitting' if they're not buying into the manager. Easier to get rid of a manager that a whole squad of under achieving players! Players know that well!!
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,401
    He's done incredibly well elsewhere. He hasn't become an idiot overnight. Southampton has made other managers look utterly useless in the recent past. It's clearly got a noxious culture, can linger for a while that, which is another thing we know all too well
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,117
    bolloxbolder said:
    No way will Boro go up automatically imo. Coventry and Ipswich most likely 
    Not sure you can predict much with any real certainty in this division, other than Sheff Weds going down. A crazy division where anyone can beat anyone, and only 5 points separating 5th to 17th. 3 wins in a row and you're right in the mix, 3 defeats and you're looking over your shoulder at the bottom 6.
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,767
    brownbear said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    siblers said:
    LargeAddick said:
    As said above Still interviews terribly and I can’t imagine he’d be that inspiring to his players.killerandflash said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Who’s next? Liam Manning or Will Still?
    Both very soon I imagine.  Will Still won't be at Southampton by the time we play them
    He came back to this country with this big reputation, yet whenever you hear him interviewed after games he sounds completely gormless and totally uninspiring.
    Get the impression he's very good with stats and using tech for patterns, tactics etc but might not transcribe to being a good manager.
    Maybe he sounds very inspiring in French.
    I think the problem with some of the modern 'Laptop' managers, is that they can work at youth levels with impressionable youngsters, but man management and player buy-in is much more important in the first team environment. Players like Armstrong, Fraser, Aribo and Jack Stephens will all be on PL money, and will undoubtedly do the old 'quiet quitting' if they're not buying into the manager. Easier to get rid of a manager that a whole squad of under achieving players! Players know that well!!
    He's not been successful with youngsters though. He has been successful with adults at a high level in France. We just have a cultural problem in this country that at high levels, unless you've been a great player or strangely a foreign manager coming in with a great reputation, you struggle to be accepted.

    I reckon, if he wants to stay in this country, he will have to do a Nathan Jones and take a step down to a forward thinking club and prove himself. I can see Cleverley not lasting too much longer and I reckon Plymouth and he may be the match both sides need to start travelling back up instead of sliding down.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,115
    Gary O'Neill in advanced talks to return to Wolves. Absolutely bizarre after being sacked a year ago that he's the best they can do. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,010
    edited November 3
    MarcusH26 said:
    Gary O'Neill in advanced talks to return to Wolves. Absolutely bizarre after being sacked a year ago that he's the best they can do. 
    Can't remember many instances of a Premier League club replacing a manager with the guy who came before him.

    Moyes at West Ham either side of Pellegrini, and Hodgson before and after Vieira, any others?

    Happened more lower down with people leaving for a bigger club, failing and then coming back.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,220
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    JustFloydRoad said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Not sure who's going to want to go to Wolves. The owners seem desperate to sell and have seemed to have turned off the taps financially , I assume with pressure from Beijing. 



    If i'm Rob Edwards there's no way i'm going to Wolves. i'd just continue rebuilding my reputation back up at Boro and seeing where that goes. Wolves are a mess and that's not really something you want to be a part of, as then it'll be two PL relegations on your CV.

    He has probably one of the best Chairman in the country in Steve Gibson, he'll get time and possibly swap places with Wolves.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,778
    MarcusH26 said:
    Gary O'Neill in advanced talks to return to Wolves. Absolutely bizarre after being sacked a year ago that he's the best they can do. 
    It was the Wolves fans on Saturday singing ’you're getting sacked in the morning ’
    They’ll probably be getting what they deserve.

    I just hope our fans realise that were we to go up in 6th place this season then it’d most likely then be a ’grab the money and go back down’ strategy.


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  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 1,670
    MarcusH26 said:
    Gary O'Neill in advanced talks to return to Wolves. Absolutely bizarre after being sacked a year ago that he's the best they can do. 

  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,220
    JustFloydRoad said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Gary O'Neill in advanced talks to return to Wolves. Absolutely bizarre after being sacked a year ago that he's the best they can do. 


    Perhaps he left on good terms and the club realise they should not have sacked him in the first place.

  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,235
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    JustFloydRoad said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Not sure who's going to want to go to Wolves. The owners seem desperate to sell and have seemed to have turned off the taps financially , I assume with pressure from Beijing. 



    If i'm Rob Edwards there's no way i'm going to Wolves. i'd just continue rebuilding my reputation back up at Boro and seeing where that goes. Wolves are a mess and that's not really something you want to be a part of, as then it'll be two PL relegations on your CV.
    Alternatively, take the job at a Premier League club, take the big pay rise and either it goes well or you get sacked, get a big payout and get to walk away with your hands clean after everyone says it wasn't your fault because you were on a hiding to nothing to begin with. Get another Championship gig off the back of that and repeat until you lose interest in being a manager.

    Managers' reputations don't really take the hit with owners that fans sometimes think they do; Edwards took Luton from one point outside the Championship Playoffs to the Premier League and then back down to the cusp of League One (where they then went) in just over 2 years and straight after that he was handed a 3 year deal at Middlesbrough. You might argue that he benefited hugely from the framework Jones left behind and then collapsed them not long afterwards but his stock was still high enough from the Premier League promotion to get given a job at a big Championship club. He'd be a bit mad not to take the money and opportunity on offer and if it doesn't work out he can build again
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,010
    edited November 3
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    JustFloydRoad said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Gary O'Neill in advanced talks to return to Wolves. Absolutely bizarre after being sacked a year ago that he's the best they can do. 


    Perhaps he left on good terms and the club realise they should not have sacked him in the first place.

    Perhaps he's still on the payroll given he's not had another job.
  • Addick_and_Chips
    Addick_and_Chips Posts: 449
    Won't be O'Neil as it looks like he no longer wants to be considered for the job. Probably happy still being paid by them to do nothing. 
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 1,670
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    JustFloydRoad said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Gary O'Neill in advanced talks to return to Wolves. Absolutely bizarre after being sacked a year ago that he's the best they can do. 


    Perhaps he left on good terms and the club realise they should not have sacked him in the first place.

    Not everyone is Chris Wilder you know
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,220
    JustFloydRoad said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    JustFloydRoad said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Gary O'Neill in advanced talks to return to Wolves. Absolutely bizarre after being sacked a year ago that he's the best they can do. 


    Perhaps he left on good terms and the club realise they should not have sacked him in the first place.

    Not everyone is Chris Wilder you know

    Fortunately.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,778
    Just trying to imagine a world in which everyone were Chris Wilder.  :smiley:
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 1,670
    Addick_and_Chips said:
    Won't be O'Neil as it looks like he no longer wants to be considered for the job. Probably happy still being paid by them to do nothing. 

    Come on give us someone names, we have nothing. We are relaxed about the situation.

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