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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Middlesborough: Tuesday 09th December 2025: KO 19:45
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If Tc don’t bottle it, they don’t break away. Game management. No excuses for him, because he’s not good enough in every aspect of his game at the moment and it’s been for a while.ForeverAddickted said:
Is TC the ONLY individual making mistakes?Smithy said:
These arguments would hold a little weight if we were talking about isolated incidents but they’re not. Every single week he is misplacing 5 yard passes, every single week he’s caught flat footed because he can’t anticipate what his teammates are going to do. The fact is, if we’d signed him over summer he’d be talked about as one of the worst signings we’ve had in a very long time.ForeverAddickted said:
You see what frustrates me most with the TC "abuse" and why I defend it more than most, is the fact that yes his actions in the opposition penalty area were inexcusable... But its the fact that there are good number of seconds between that incident and the second goal where someone else could have prevented the goal from happening.CAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.
There are eleven players out on the pitch, yet a good number of fans have such a hate boner for one individual that they're prepared to excuse the actions of others to lay the blame wherever they can at one individual - Take Fullah's effort which was well saved second half, that's what Kaminski should have done for the second goal, instead he's beaten at his near post (Yes he made some decent saves to keep us in it), but he should not be conceding that, whilst the defenders who were back couldn't be bothered to put a block in.
Same at Coventry, everyone blaming Campbell for failing a 2-yard pass, but nothing mentioned about Carey who had the opportunity to play in TC moments earlier, doesnt, causes TC to check his run... THEN gets the pass, and is flat footed for his mistake!!
As for talk about signing Ryan Hardie (Lets talk about someone who hasn't even been linked, and only signed for Wrexham a few months ago), and being down in December... Jesus wept!!
I get it... I will berate him when he makes errors... I'm not pretending he's perfect, but he's being berated for a mistake today, which could have been avoided in however many seconds it took for Middlesbrough to break down the field, they didn't even outnumber us. Or are we going to pretend as though a team NEVER scores that goal, breaking from their own penalty area after winning a pass9 -
No it's true, if he doesn't bottle it, they don't score, because then he either wins the ball, wins a corner, or concedes a goal kick.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
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I’m not sure anyone has said we’re absolutely going down. But there is a real concern we’re getting slowly dragged into a relegation battle.JaShea99 said:I can’t believe how sure some people seem to be that we’re going down already. Aside from the fact I’m fairly confident there are at least 3 worse teams in the league than us, you can still get us at 16/1 to be relegated. If I was as certain as some seem to be that it’s gonna happen, I’d be putting some serious money on that.
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Come to realise that ever since I got that 91/92 away kit off the retro range, we've literally lost every single game. Might have to retire it already. Shame, since it's beautiful.
Anyway, first half was a complete disgrace. Second half was a bit better. We really miss Bell and Kelman.
Getting worried now. Can see us in a relegation dogfight against the likes of Oxford and Portsmouth, unless we pick up a couple of wins against said teams during the winter.0 -
The top teams in this league are streets ahead of us. That’s not a slight on us it’s just the quality of these squads is way beyond us. Tonight we looked that bit slower, that bit weaker, that bit less technically gifted.
The midfield three of Knibbs, Carey and Coventry is one dimensional and lacks drive and pace.Boro are a gifted side and were better than us but our second half display, inspired by Anderson putting our first real strong tackle of the game was promising in terms of endeavour at least.
I still think we’ll be ok and thank god we got those early slightly fortuitous wins.11 -
No... But if a team break away... You're prepared to deal with it... Because you've got players back... If Campbell had lost it and it resulted in Middlesbrough having two players attacking, and one of ours defending, or more etc. then I'd have a bit more agreement with your argument.Sword65pf said:
If Tc don’t bottle it, they don’t break away. Game management. No excuses for him, because he’s not good enough in every aspect of his game at the moment and it’s been for a while.ForeverAddickted said:
Is TC the ONLY individual making mistakes?Smithy said:
These arguments would hold a little weight if we were talking about isolated incidents but they’re not. Every single week he is misplacing 5 yard passes, every single week he’s caught flat footed because he can’t anticipate what his teammates are going to do. The fact is, if we’d signed him over summer he’d be talked about as one of the worst signings we’ve had in a very long time.ForeverAddickted said:
You see what frustrates me most with the TC "abuse" and why I defend it more than most, is the fact that yes his actions in the opposition penalty area were inexcusable... But its the fact that there are good number of seconds between that incident and the second goal where someone else could have prevented the goal from happening.CAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.
There are eleven players out on the pitch, yet a good number of fans have such a hate boner for one individual that they're prepared to excuse the actions of others to lay the blame wherever they can at one individual - Take Fullah's effort which was well saved second half, that's what Kaminski should have done for the second goal, instead he's beaten at his near post (Yes he made some decent saves to keep us in it), but he should not be conceding that, whilst the defenders who were back couldn't be bothered to put a block in.
Same at Coventry, everyone blaming Campbell for failing a 2-yard pass, but nothing mentioned about Carey who had the opportunity to play in TC moments earlier, doesnt, causes TC to check his run... THEN gets the pass, and is flat footed for his mistake!!
As for talk about signing Ryan Hardie (Lets talk about someone who hasn't even been linked, and only signed for Wrexham a few months ago), and being down in December... Jesus wept!!
I get it... I will berate him when he makes errors... I'm not pretending he's perfect, but he's being berated for a mistake today, which could have been avoided in however many seconds it took for Middlesbrough to break down the field, they didn't even outnumber us. Or are we going to pretend as though a team NEVER scores that goal, breaking from their own penalty area after winning a pass
But the fact we were so suspectable to one break... I mean if that's all it takes to score against us this season, then I agree, we are truly f**ked.
As I say... Lets not pretend that teams don't break from their own area, and don't score... Its why Football is a team game5 -
Nonsense - it wasn’t great by Campbell, but they still had to go the entire length of the pitch to score.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.8 -
I already haveJaShea99 said:I can’t believe how sure some people seem to be that we’re going down already. Aside from the fact I’m fairly confident there are at least 3 worse teams in the league than us, you can still get us at 16/1 to be relegated. If I was as certain as some seem to be that it’s gonna happen, I’d be putting some serious money on that.2 -
First off, fabulous tribute for Norm. I was in bits - well done @BDL for getting through that.Class by Luke Ayling having a chat with Norm’s family as he walked to the bench and Boro fans were class. McGree was ill-advised with his celebration after the first but on reflection he’s not to know where Norm sat.Well done to the ref for stopping the game when he did for the applause.On to the game…
Ouch. We were totally outclassed in the first 45. It looked like what it was, promotion candidates v relegation candidates.The diamond got absolutely murdered first 25. We were sucked into one side of the pitch and the switch meant the opposite full back had half of SE7 on the other side. Berry can’t play that role in midfield so the change to him off the striker and TC at LWB was required.
Ironically after we changed the system we then conceded a suicide goal after a let off which you just can’t do against this level. Then a stonewall penalty on Berry straightaway which the ref missed which isn’t ideal when you need everything you can get!The second goal basically kills us, especially with the timing of it. It’s not great from TC but Macca is sleeping at the back, Cov had the ball carrier covered and Gillesphey, more on him later, just doesn’t read the run of Whittaker.Second half was much improved and we will be seeing much more of Anderson in December, I feel. Penny for his and Oloafe’s thoughts after getting put back on the bench after their 12 mins on Saturday. Bright from Apter and Fullah, too.If we go conservative with Cov, Anderson and Doc in a 3 against Brum then we can afford Apter in for the more defensively minded Bree who has been off it of late. I still don’t mind Apter playing if Carey is in for one of Doc or Anderson although I think the ginger genius can join Bree in the “off it of late” camp.Macca. Macca, Macca, Macca. It’s really sad after all he achieved in the second half of last season but he is miles off this level unfortunately.Foul at the end on Leaburn after a long ball about 20 yards out but it’s not really the refs fault we lost. Soundly beaten by the better side, despite the bit of momentum late on.Lots of work to do but there are some positives in the second half after an incredibly difficult run of games. The boys didn’t fold, first and foremost.A huge 4 weeks ahead of us but thank god for all of those late points or things would be looking incredibly grim.I still would have taken this position at this stage of the season if offered at the start of August but definitely work to do.Onwards and upwards. Orient and Wycombe both mid table in League One so it could be a lot, lot worse. COYR!
RIP, Headphones Norm ❤️🤍20 -
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.9 -
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I still have no idea why the Guadeloupe guy isn't getting a game isn't he a left back?0
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How do you know they don't score from that? - A team can break from a corner... Am pretty sure we've already conceded that way this season.sam3110 said:
No it's true, if he doesn't bottle it, they don't score, because then he either wins the ball, wins a corner, or concedes a goal kick.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
The only positive outcome that you can be certain would work in our favour, is TC doesnt bottle it, wins the ball, and scores2 -
What today showed me is that NJ has decided attack is our best form of defence but he thought attacking the middle was the right move when in reality it was the wings we needed to use. Our play was so narrow first half and so easy to nullify and then counter. When we had some width on the pitch and stretched the opposition we actually looked threatening3
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When your fans boo you off at half time .. your time up only NJ knows why Campbell is still in this team , if he not careful could cost him his job .. Apter showed you what a proper winger is all about and now has to play that role on Saturday ..
Have to say feel for the boys tonight think we deserved something from the game .. yes first half Kaminski kept us in it but we held firm until two errors Carey again ( like Coventry and Southampton ) and Campbell … second half it was middbro time wasting and playing the ball in the corner on 85 mins …. But NJ got a real issue that needs addressing his name Campbell … if Olaofe , Knibbs and Apter had half the games TC had in their correct positions things would be so different4 -
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?9 -
But he does not the replacements on the bench to make the difference. Fulla, Tanto Knibbs would be disaster over 90mins they do not have the mindset to defend when needed for example. Good teams would play past them easily.carly burn said:Curbs was asked on catv during the summer if he could give Nathan Jones one piece of advice for preparing a newly promoted team what would it be?.
His answer. Don't be too loyal. He made that mistake in 98 a paid for it..
Jones has not only shown too much loyalty to some of last seasons ok performers..he's also been too loyal to some of his injury prone old guard from when he was elsewhere.
We need an injection of fit and capable championship players in January to give us a chance.0 -
Get TC as far away from that starting 11 as possible. He has been absolutely toilet for weeks and clearly has no confidence. He miscontrolled a simple pass at the end and Docherty lost his mind at him. It's doing him (and certainly us) no favours starting him atm.8
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He was awful first half even if we take that one incident out of the equation. Misplacing even simple passes, never on his toes, not anticipating passes to him. And it's not as if it's for the first time. Needs time out of the team but, unfortunately, if we are going to play with a LWB he's the best of a bad bunch. But bottling out of that challenge was shocking.ForeverAddickted said:
Is TC the ONLY individual making mistakes?Smithy said:
These arguments would hold a little weight if we were talking about isolated incidents but they’re not. Every single week he is misplacing 5 yard passes, every single week he’s caught flat footed because he can’t anticipate what his teammates are going to do. The fact is, if we’d signed him over summer he’d be talked about as one of the worst signings we’ve had in a very long time.ForeverAddickted said:
You see what frustrates me most with the TC "abuse" and why I defend it more than most, is the fact that yes his actions in the opposition penalty area were inexcusable... But its the fact that there are good number of seconds between that incident and the second goal where someone else could have prevented the goal from happening.CAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.
There are eleven players out on the pitch, yet a good number of fans have such a hate boner for one individual that they're prepared to excuse the actions of others to lay the blame wherever they can at one individual - Take Fullah's effort which was well saved second half, that's what Kaminski should have done for the second goal, instead he's beaten at his near post (Yes he made some decent saves to keep us in it), but he should not be conceding that, whilst the defenders who were back couldn't be bothered to put a block in.
Same at Coventry, everyone blaming Campbell for failing a 2-yard pass, but nothing mentioned about Carey who had the opportunity to play in TC moments earlier, doesnt, causes TC to check his run... THEN gets the pass, and is flat footed for his mistake!!
As for talk about signing Ryan Hardie (Lets talk about someone who hasn't even been linked, and only signed for Wrexham a few months ago), and being down in December... Jesus wept!!
I get it... I will berate him when he makes errors... I'm not pretending he's perfect... But he's being berated and given sole blame, for a mistake today, which could have been avoided in however many seconds it took for Middlesbrough to break down the field, they didn't even outnumber us. Or are we going to pretend as though a team NEVER scores that goal, breaking from their own penalty area after winning a ball7 -
It’s not the 1st time we’ve conceded a goal from TC not doing what he should, QPR for example, weak as shit, if it was the 1st time I’d ever seen him be weak or a bottler I’d have more sympathy for the fella.we should have been looking at scoring not picking the ball out of our own net.ForeverAddickted said:
No... But if a team break away... You're prepared to deal with it... Because you've got players back... If Campbell had lost it and it resulted in Middlesbrough having two players attacking, and one of ours defending, or more etc. then I'd have a bit more agreement with your argument.Sword65pf said:
If Tc don’t bottle it, they don’t break away. Game management. No excuses for him, because he’s not good enough in every aspect of his game at the moment and it’s been for a while.ForeverAddickted said:
Is TC the ONLY individual making mistakes?Smithy said:
These arguments would hold a little weight if we were talking about isolated incidents but they’re not. Every single week he is misplacing 5 yard passes, every single week he’s caught flat footed because he can’t anticipate what his teammates are going to do. The fact is, if we’d signed him over summer he’d be talked about as one of the worst signings we’ve had in a very long time.ForeverAddickted said:
You see what frustrates me most with the TC "abuse" and why I defend it more than most, is the fact that yes his actions in the opposition penalty area were inexcusable... But its the fact that there are good number of seconds between that incident and the second goal where someone else could have prevented the goal from happening.CAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.
There are eleven players out on the pitch, yet a good number of fans have such a hate boner for one individual that they're prepared to excuse the actions of others to lay the blame wherever they can at one individual - Take Fullah's effort which was well saved second half, that's what Kaminski should have done for the second goal, instead he's beaten at his near post (Yes he made some decent saves to keep us in it), but he should not be conceding that, whilst the defenders who were back couldn't be bothered to put a block in.
Same at Coventry, everyone blaming Campbell for failing a 2-yard pass, but nothing mentioned about Carey who had the opportunity to play in TC moments earlier, doesnt, causes TC to check his run... THEN gets the pass, and is flat footed for his mistake!!
As for talk about signing Ryan Hardie (Lets talk about someone who hasn't even been linked, and only signed for Wrexham a few months ago), and being down in December... Jesus wept!!
I get it... I will berate him when he makes errors... I'm not pretending he's perfect, but he's being berated for a mistake today, which could have been avoided in however many seconds it took for Middlesbrough to break down the field, they didn't even outnumber us. Or are we going to pretend as though a team NEVER scores that goal, breaking from their own penalty area after winning a pass
But the fact we were so suspectable to one break... I mean if that's all it takes to score against us this season, then I agree, we are truly f**ked.
As I say... Lets not pretend that teams don't break from their own area, and don't score... Its why Football is a team game2 -
Im in, but id prob bring on apter from the bench and start with bree. That is quite attacking!The Red Robin said:Wouldn’t mind a 3-5-2. Something like:
Kaminski
Ramsay Jones Macca (for now)
Apter Anderson Carey Campbell
Fullah
Tano Leaburn
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Injuries continue to hamper us but a truly bizarre set up at the start. Allowed them so much space throughout the first half and without kaminski it could have been 5 at HT.
The youngsters added some effort second half but Karoy, Mullah and Olaofe all lack the quality required at this level.
It's a thin squad which is now heavily reliant on players who we all knew weren't going to be good enough at this level.2 -
I have never ‘abused’ TC - I just think he’s shit. That’s my opinion and always has been. It’s not personal.ForeverAddickted said:
You see what frustrates me most with the TC "abuse" and why I defend it more than most, is the fact that yes his actions in the opposition penalty area were inexcusable... But its the fact that there are good number of seconds between that incident and the second goal where someone else could have prevented the goal from happening.CAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.
There are eleven players out on the pitch, yet a good number of fans have such a hate boner for one individual that they're prepared to excuse the actions of others to lay the blame wherever they can at one individual - Take Fullah's effort which was well saved second half, that's what Kaminski should have done for the second goal, instead he's beaten at his near post (Yes he made some decent saves to keep us in it), but he should not be conceding that, whilst the defenders who were back couldn't be bothered to put a block in.
Same at Coventry, everyone blaming Campbell for failing a 2-yard pass, but nothing mentioned about Carey who had the opportunity to play in TC moments earlier, doesnt, causes TC to check his run... THEN gets the pass, and is flat footed for his mistake!!
As for talk about signing Ryan Hardie (Lets talk about someone who hasn't even been linked, and only signed for Wrexham a few months ago), and being down in December... Jesus wept!!Ryan Hardie is leaving in January due to lack of game time and if we want to stay up we should be linked with the likes of him - a proven champ striker not a league one punt.If we can’t get a win against the teams below us then who can we ? Genuinely if we don’t beat Oxford, I will be seriously concerned as they are toilet.2 -
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?11 -
All that team bar Kam and Bree were playing league one last season and it shows.
Doc and Karoy had points to prove and brought some much needed aggression and Fullah some spark but we aren't good enough to match these top sides.
However it is the likes of Oxford, Norwich and pompey we need to finish above so this month is cruical.
Ramsay MOTM. Would have been Kam but for the 2nd goal.10 -
Sorry Prague you don't get it... Its only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?0 -
Some unbelievable mental gymnastics to make excuses (again) for a player who has never gone into a 50/50 properly in his entire Charlton career. He's soft as shit
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Probably because Carey has done more to win us points in the season.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?6 -
Your acting like we'll never win another game of Football... Its similar when we lost 4-2 at Rotherham last January and people were saying that our hopes of the Play-Offs were over, same when we drew with Lincoln in February the year before, and people were claiming we were relegated... Do I need to say more?CAFC_boi said:ForeverAddickted said:
You see what frustrates me most with the TC "abuse" and why I defend it more than most, is the fact that yes his actions in the opposition penalty area were inexcusable... But its the fact that there are good number of seconds between that incident and the second goal where someone else could have prevented the goal from happening.CAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.
There are eleven players out on the pitch, yet a good number of fans have such a hate boner for one individual that they're prepared to excuse the actions of others to lay the blame wherever they can at one individual - Take Fullah's effort which was well saved second half, that's what Kaminski should have done for the second goal, instead he's beaten at his near post (Yes he made some decent saves to keep us in it), but he should not be conceding that, whilst the defenders who were back couldn't be bothered to put a block in.
Same at Coventry, everyone blaming Campbell for failing a 2-yard pass, but nothing mentioned about Carey who had the opportunity to play in TC moments earlier, doesnt, causes TC to check his run... THEN gets the pass, and is flat footed for his mistake!!
As for talk about signing Ryan Hardie (Lets talk about someone who hasn't even been linked, and only signed for Wrexham a few months ago), and being down in December... Jesus wept!If we can’t get a win against the teams below us then who can we ? Genuinely if we don’t beat Oxford, I will be seriously concerned as they are toilet.1 -
6 attacking players we would need to score 5 to win with that defenceThe Red Robin said:Wouldn’t mind a 3-5-2. Something like:
Kaminski
Ramsay Jones Macca (for now)
Apter Anderson Carey Campbell
Fullah
Tano Leaburn
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Some unbelievable mental gymnastics going on to excuse individuals when they make mistakes and we lose.Sword65pf said:
Probably because Carey has done more to win us points in the season.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?4
