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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Middlesborough: Tuesday 09th December 2025: KO 19:45
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Oh piss off, "tiring" we're really not allowed to say anything bad about them are we? The defence of the two strikers that make Leko and Bonne look like Bergkamp and Henry is insane.jimmymelrose said:DDOUBLEE said:
Is Fullah a youth clown?
What about when he's played 20 consecutive games and tires a bit?
You’ll be turning on him too if he does.
As for your team, it would get stuffed with Apter and Rousillon as wing backs. You are the clown imo.0 -
Whittaker had a better record for Plymouth though and earned his move, as much stick that I give TC I genuinely hope you are right, but not seeing that much comparison yet.Callumcafc said:
Morgan Whittaker didn’t score his first goal for Boro until 10 months after signing for them and he was getting the same criticism from Middlesbrough fans - lightweight, useless, flatters to deceive, etc.CharltonManor1966 said:
And in all that time 0 goals and 2 assists........NabySarr said:
Fair enough people have the view he needs to come out of the team, I’d share that view if we had anyone else to come in for himCharltonManor1966 said:On the subject of TC......
There was one occasion in the first half where he did brilliantly - took on two defenders on the left wing - got clean by them - then did his usual not looking up and failed to beat the first defender with his low cross. So frustrating!
Sorry FAand others but I have to now conclude that he is never going to be good enough at this level. A L1 winger at best and never a wingback in a million years.But this last bit is just a mental thing to say, he’s 22 for Christ’s sake he’s got years of development even if you don’t think he’s good enough now at this level, to write him off completely is just silly. Some people have really got it in for TC which isn’t nice to see
When we had our full team and he wasn’t having to fill in at wing back, he was playing in the championship for a team 6th in the league. Not sure that would be possible for a player that was never going to be good enough at this levelNow he’s scored 5 in 5 - his output is catching up with how dangerous of a player he actually is.
I still have no doubt similar will happen to TC.0 -
That's our current hand though, he is the only fit and ready left footer. We can't protect him in a back 5 anymore, as we are suffering up top, it's the only way I see him involved now.Sword65pf said:
I know it’s due to injuries, but for as long as we are proactively trying to cover Gillesphey with anyone we have a problem. The loss of Edward’s in particular has stuffed us big time .Braziliance said:I don't see a win in sight, we look absolutely horrific and have done since Hull away imo.
Our forwards infuriate me, they would struggle in League 1 nevermind this league, our midfielders are extremely average, our defensive shape is pure patch work. We are desperate for some left sided defenders.
It won't happen, but if I was Jones, I would try something like this:
Anderson for his energy and to protect Macca on the left and give Fullah freedom, Tanto to lead the line as he's the only forward with a set of bollocks, get Carey and Apter playing together again as they have a good understanding.
Back to basics, keep it tight, try and get the ball to Apter and Fullah to provide Carey and Tanto. Keep Leaburn and TC as far away from the squad as possible until they learn how to put in a shift (sorry lads)
We can't persist with what is going on, it would be madness. We look absolutely atrocious. Only looked decent for ten mins as Apter, Fullah and Anderson came on, who all looked lively, and Boro took the gas off a bit.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but our transfer window on the face of it, has been honking.
Tanto - Jones doesn't seem to trust him
Apter - Ditto Tanto (actually think they were both decent buys
Bell - Class, but injury prone
Burke - Glass legs
Kaminski - ok, not worth 20k a week though
Kelman - Unfortunate injury timing, wasn't pulling up trees however
Carey - Gem, but off the boil currently
Bree - Same as Carey, not worth the fee he will command
Knibbs - less said the better, looks pure League 1
Costello - ????
Onel - Roland Duchatelet calibre signing
We need at least 4 or 5 new players in January, and then will they have the time to gel?
A new 9, left back, left centre back, central midfielder are crucial. Especially the 9. Can't rely on Kelman and Godden coming back and tearing it up, isn't realistic.0 -
I'm usually the one defending wingers on here because they get slagged off for being inconsistent, when that's a winger by their very nature. One week they'll break free and create a goal or score one, the next they'll choose the wrong option or miss. The problem with TC is that there's no inconsistency. Every week he is consistently not scoring or choosing the wrong option.Callumcafc said:
Morgan Whittaker didn’t score his first goal for Boro until 10 months after signing for them and he was getting the same criticism from Middlesbrough fans - lightweight, useless, flatters to deceive, etc.CharltonManor1966 said:
And in all that time 0 goals and 2 assists........NabySarr said:
Fair enough people have the view he needs to come out of the team, I’d share that view if we had anyone else to come in for himCharltonManor1966 said:On the subject of TC......
There was one occasion in the first half where he did brilliantly - took on two defenders on the left wing - got clean by them - then did his usual not looking up and failed to beat the first defender with his low cross. So frustrating!
Sorry FAand others but I have to now conclude that he is never going to be good enough at this level. A L1 winger at best and never a wingback in a million years.But this last bit is just a mental thing to say, he’s 22 for Christ’s sake he’s got years of development even if you don’t think he’s good enough now at this level, to write him off completely is just silly. Some people have really got it in for TC which isn’t nice to see
When we had our full team and he wasn’t having to fill in at wing back, he was playing in the championship for a team 6th in the league. Not sure that would be possible for a player that was never going to be good enough at this level
Whittaker had 0g/3a in his first 24 appearances.Now he’s scored 5 in 5 - his output is catching up with how dangerous of a player he actually is.
I still have no doubt similar will happen to TC.
I'm sure he has the raw goods but he absolutely deserves the criticism at the moment.3 -
I don't think he's being helped though. As Braziliance says Carey and Bree have gone off the boil which doesn't help, he doesn't seem to link up well consistently with Leaburn and he hasn't played up top with Tanto (to my memory). At the moment he's the only person the team is looking to create a spark and that's a tough job. He has been poor and deserves criticism but he needs help from his team matesChunes said:
I'm usually the one defending wingers on here because they get slagged off for being inconsistent, when that's a winger by their very nature. One week they'll break free and create a goal or score one, the next they'll choose the wrong option or miss. The problem with TC is that there's no inconsistency. Every week he is consistently not scoring or choosing the wrong option.Callumcafc said:
Morgan Whittaker didn’t score his first goal for Boro until 10 months after signing for them and he was getting the same criticism from Middlesbrough fans - lightweight, useless, flatters to deceive, etc.CharltonManor1966 said:
And in all that time 0 goals and 2 assists........NabySarr said:
Fair enough people have the view he needs to come out of the team, I’d share that view if we had anyone else to come in for himCharltonManor1966 said:On the subject of TC......
There was one occasion in the first half where he did brilliantly - took on two defenders on the left wing - got clean by them - then did his usual not looking up and failed to beat the first defender with his low cross. So frustrating!
Sorry FAand others but I have to now conclude that he is never going to be good enough at this level. A L1 winger at best and never a wingback in a million years.But this last bit is just a mental thing to say, he’s 22 for Christ’s sake he’s got years of development even if you don’t think he’s good enough now at this level, to write him off completely is just silly. Some people have really got it in for TC which isn’t nice to see
When we had our full team and he wasn’t having to fill in at wing back, he was playing in the championship for a team 6th in the league. Not sure that would be possible for a player that was never going to be good enough at this level
Whittaker had 0g/3a in his first 24 appearances.Now he’s scored 5 in 5 - his output is catching up with how dangerous of a player he actually is.
I still have no doubt similar will happen to TC.
I'm sure he has the raw goods but he absolutely deserves the criticism at the moment.1 -
Macca at left back is like Tommy Fury playing soccer aidBraziliance said:I don't see a win in sight, we look absolutely horrific and have done since Hull away imo.
Our forwards infuriate me, they would struggle in League 1 nevermind this league, our midfielders are extremely average, our defensive shape is pure patch work. We are desperate for some left sided defenders.
It won't happen, but if I was Jones, I would try something like this:
Anderson for his energy and to protect Macca on the left and give Fullah freedom, Tanto to lead the line as he's the only forward with a set of bollocks, get Carey and Apter playing together again as they have a good understanding.
Back to basics, keep it tight, try and get the ball to Apter and Fullah to provide Carey and Tanto. Keep Leaburn and TC as far away from the squad as possible until they learn how to put in a shift (sorry lads)
We can't persist with what is going on, it would be madness. We look absolutely atrocious. Only looked decent for ten mins as Apter, Fullah and Anderson came on, who all looked lively, and Boro took the gas off a bit.10 -
What concerns me is for the first 10 minutes or so against Portsmouth they looked a better side…9
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But we are not in league one and at least two of our players at least seem to have hit their ceiling in league one after being classed as players that could step up. But so far they can't and also everyone is entitled to their opinion.jimmymelrose said:If we were in League One playing Doncaster, who’ve just come up from the league below, and are currently in a similar position to us, and after the game you overheard their fans calling their players dogshit because they’d just lost to us, Cardiff, Lincoln and Stockport respectively, you’d be thinking ’what a bunch of unrealistic, ungrateful, unkind ********
There are too many people on here like that.
I am sorry that I have been critical of our youth products but if they are good I would say they are.0 -
Oh ok, looked like he got clattered, was a long way away though.fenaddick said:
He'd lost the ball and contact was minimal for me, the angle behind the goal shows the ref was right in my opinionSword65pf said:Not much mention of the pen shout on Berry, looked stonewall from where I was sitting.0 -
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Well all three Charlton TV people with the benefit of multiple replays said it was a clear pen and that the lino (as usual) should have seen it from a good angle even if the ref didnt.Sword65pf said:1 -
This link should skip straight to the incident @Sword65pf
https://youtu.be/5wc4KNIHxxA?si=Byj-lEywS3DnMSrJ&t=94 0 -
It is the left side of our defence that is the big problem. Both of the goals last night came down that side.
Gillesphey plus TC as a LCB/LWB pair is asking for trouble.
Unfortunately the only alternative currently is to play Ramsay LB as we started last night.
Hopefully Jerome is ready to play sooner rather than later.3 -
Gillesphey gets exposed at LCB if he doesn’t have Bell or Edwards there ahead of him. Playing him left back is suicidal, we did it at Stoke for about 10 minutes and it was painful to watch and looked like we were going to concede any time they had the ball that side. I think this is 100% the shape we should be playing, but it has to be Ramsay at left back for now while Roussillon gets up to speedBraziliance said:I don't see a win in sight, we look absolutely horrific and have done since Hull away imo.
Our forwards infuriate me, they would struggle in League 1 nevermind this league, our midfielders are extremely average, our defensive shape is pure patch work. We are desperate for some left sided defenders.
It won't happen, but if I was Jones, I would try something like this:
Anderson for his energy and to protect Macca on the left and give Fullah freedom, Tanto to lead the line as he's the only forward with a set of bollocks, get Carey and Apter playing together again as they have a good understanding.
Back to basics, keep it tight, try and get the ball to Apter and Fullah to provide Carey and Tanto. Keep Leaburn and TC as far away from the squad as possible until they learn how to put in a shift (sorry lads)
We can't persist with what is going on, it would be madness. We look absolutely atrocious. Only looked decent for ten mins as Apter, Fullah and Anderson came on, who all looked lively, and Boro took the gas off a bit.
Birmingham will be tough, so I’d go with a midfield of Coventry Anderson and Docherty and just try and be solid and stay in the game. I’d also have TC on the left, him Apter and Tanto gives us plenty of pace on the counter. Carey, Fullah and Leaburn to impact from the bench. I think that’s the best we can do for now, probably won’t get us result on Saturday but gives us a chance against some of the poorer teams we have after that3 -
The guy used his hip rather cleverly to prevent Berry getting to the ball, blatant obstruction making no attempt to get the ball, which was well within his control by the way, and the useless ref just waved play on, rather like the foul on Leaburn a yard outside the box in the last two minutes, when he was pulled back, again useless officials played the blind man and took the easy option...fenaddick said:
He'd lost the ball and contact was minimal for me, the angle behind the goal shows the ref was right in my opinionSword65pf said:Not much mention of the pen shout on Berry, looked stonewall from where I was sitting.6 -
Not really targeted at anyone, but I have seen a few comments on here and social media along the lines of "we are one year ahead of where we should be" "we were in League one this time last year" "we had a bad patch this time last year"
Respectfully, this league is a different beast. There are no easy games in this league, and almost every club in here probably wins League 1 or at minimum gets play offs.
There is never a bad time to get promoted, and relegation is almost always a disaster. We need to live in the present. Even if we are a year ahead, doesn't matter, it will cost us far more to have a promotion campaign again than to spend to ensure we stay up.
I actually feel bad for Nathan Jones as he is undoubtedly a good Champ manager, just feel he has been short changed currently. He needs the backing he deserves.7 -
Because if Campbell had done his job the ball would not be in our area to cause problems 100% Campbell fault not the first time this season QPR away the winning goal very smillierForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?0 -
One thing very evident is our strength at the start of the season was our press .. but it’s clear as day we have no press up front Leaburn and Campbell just let the defenders dictate the play .. our defence get no rest spite .. no press in mid without Doc , why why why does he keep pushing Carey back in Doc place ?? It’s ridiculous…. We badly miss Kelman up top not only does he press defenders but his movement makes gaps for people like Carey to move into .. at the moment no press no movement means no goals from mid8
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No point feeling bad. He wanted to sign those players and admitted as much.Braziliance said:Not really targeted at anyone, but I have seen a few comments on here and social media along the lines of "we are one year ahead of where we should be" "we were in League one this time last year" "we had a bad patch this time last year"
Respectfully, this league is a different beast. There are no easy games in this league, and almost every club in here probably wins League 1 or at minimum gets play offs.
There is never a bad time to get promoted, and relegation is almost always a disaster. We need to live in the present. Even if we are a year ahead, doesn't matter, it will cost us far more to have a promotion campaign again than to spend to ensure we stay up.
I actually feel bad for Nathan Jones as he is undoubtedly a good Champ manager, just feel he has been short changed currently. He needs the backing he deserves.
Problem we have is injuries and a refusal to change systems to suit the players we have available i.e we have decent wingers, play them as such and not as wing backs.0 -
I mean he definitely would have rather had more money and been able to sign better playersking addick said:
No point feeling bad. He wanted to sign those players and admitted as much.Braziliance said:Not really targeted at anyone, but I have seen a few comments on here and social media along the lines of "we are one year ahead of where we should be" "we were in League one this time last year" "we had a bad patch this time last year"
Respectfully, this league is a different beast. There are no easy games in this league, and almost every club in here probably wins League 1 or at minimum gets play offs.
There is never a bad time to get promoted, and relegation is almost always a disaster. We need to live in the present. Even if we are a year ahead, doesn't matter, it will cost us far more to have a promotion campaign again than to spend to ensure we stay up.
I actually feel bad for Nathan Jones as he is undoubtedly a good Champ manager, just feel he has been short changed currently. He needs the backing he deserves.
Problem we have is injuries and a refusal to change systems to suit the players we have available i.e we have decent wingers, play them as such and not as wing backs.
He also has the opposite of a refusal to change systems. He’s changing systems far too much and multiple times every game. What he actually needs to do is pick one and stick with it, though I agree wingers is the way to go at the moment0 -
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I didn’t go so can’t offer any thoughts re the game, but we just need to stop a 6th defeat on the bounce on Sat. Ever since we lost Bell and got beat at Wrexham, it seems like Jones doesn’t really know what to do.Granted the shape and team changed at Wrexham due to injuries, illness and maybe fatigue, but Soton carved us open after the intl break and it looks like we’ve been trying to spray and pray our way out the crisis and try various combos, none of which have worked.It’s putting a lot of hope in free transfer Rousillon, but regardless of his ability, we need a left sided player. Everyone else who has been tried out there (bar Apter) is right footed. The most sensible move for me is Ramsay in a flat back four having to accommodate, but that’s not ideal and it also seems to send ripples throughout the team selection and then shape.
what I found odd was Jones changing it from Saturday’s line up albeit the game was abandoned. What could’ve happened in those two days other than him changing to accommodate Boro. I guess it’s good in some ways that he’s thinking about the opposition, but I also think the likes of Oloafe need to be given more of a chance. We’ve brought these players in, given them half a game or the odd game and then changed it quite a bit over the last 6 games. I get the injuries dictate this to some degree, but I’m surprised at Jones’ willingness to accommodate a Hernandez over Apter for example, or insist with TC.I don’t think any manager stands much of a chance at the moment given how badly we’ve been impacted down that left side, but we need to stop that rot now immediately. We also need reinforcements in Jan. I’d like a bit more physicality in the team as well. I think the run of 5 defeats may not have been 5 had we had a few more hard bastards in the team0 -
this - Gillesphy at LB is a disaster waiting to happenSword65pf said:
I know it’s due to injuries, but for as long as we are proactively trying to cover Gillesphey with anyone we have a problem. The loss of Edward’s in particular has stuffed us big time .Braziliance said:I don't see a win in sight, we look absolutely horrific and have done since Hull away imo.
Our forwards infuriate me, they would struggle in League 1 nevermind this league, our midfielders are extremely average, our defensive shape is pure patch work. We are desperate for some left sided defenders.
It won't happen, but if I was Jones, I would try something like this:
Anderson for his energy and to protect Macca on the left and give Fullah freedom, Tanto to lead the line as he's the only forward with a set of bollocks, get Carey and Apter playing together again as they have a good understanding.
Back to basics, keep it tight, try and get the ball to Apter and Fullah to provide Carey and Tanto. Keep Leaburn and TC as far away from the squad as possible until they learn how to put in a shift (sorry lads)
We can't persist with what is going on, it would be madness. We look absolutely atrocious. Only looked decent for ten mins as Apter, Fullah and Anderson came on, who all looked lively, and Boro took the gas off a bit.3 -
thought that at first, however having seen a replay it's never a penSword65pf said:Not much mention of the pen shout on Berry, looked stonewall from where I was sitting.3 -
We just cannot have Gillesphey as left back or left wingback under any circumstances! He us SO slow.......Sword65pf said:
I know it’s due to injuries, but for as long as we are proactively trying to cover Gillesphey with anyone we have a problem. The loss of Edward’s in particular has stuffed us big time .Braziliance said:I don't see a win in sight, we look absolutely horrific and have done since Hull away imo.
Our forwards infuriate me, they would struggle in League 1 nevermind this league, our midfielders are extremely average, our defensive shape is pure patch work. We are desperate for some left sided defenders.
It won't happen, but if I was Jones, I would try something like this:
Anderson for his energy and to protect Macca on the left and give Fullah freedom, Tanto to lead the line as he's the only forward with a set of bollocks, get Carey and Apter playing together again as they have a good understanding.
Back to basics, keep it tight, try and get the ball to Apter and Fullah to provide Carey and Tanto. Keep Leaburn and TC as far away from the squad as possible until they learn how to put in a shift (sorry lads)
We can't persist with what is going on, it would be madness. We look absolutely atrocious. Only looked decent for ten mins as Apter, Fullah and Anderson came on, who all looked lively, and Boro took the gas off a bit.1 -
Jones' recruitment has been poor. The fact that he is reported to want to sign Bree permanently speaks volumes.1
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You can't if you want to play a high line but you could if you sat deep and banked up. Better to seek alternatives though.CharltonManor1966 said:
We just cannot have Gillesphey as left back or left wingback under any circumstances! He us SO slow.......Sword65pf said:
I know it’s due to injuries, but for as long as we are proactively trying to cover Gillesphey with anyone we have a problem. The loss of Edward’s in particular has stuffed us big time .Braziliance said:I don't see a win in sight, we look absolutely horrific and have done since Hull away imo.
Our forwards infuriate me, they would struggle in League 1 nevermind this league, our midfielders are extremely average, our defensive shape is pure patch work. We are desperate for some left sided defenders.
It won't happen, but if I was Jones, I would try something like this:
Anderson for his energy and to protect Macca on the left and give Fullah freedom, Tanto to lead the line as he's the only forward with a set of bollocks, get Carey and Apter playing together again as they have a good understanding.
Back to basics, keep it tight, try and get the ball to Apter and Fullah to provide Carey and Tanto. Keep Leaburn and TC as far away from the squad as possible until they learn how to put in a shift (sorry lads)
We can't persist with what is going on, it would be madness. We look absolutely atrocious. Only looked decent for ten mins as Apter, Fullah and Anderson came on, who all looked lively, and Boro took the gas off a bit.0 -
Actually I don’t feel as disappointed about that as other recent losses as there were a few introductions in the second half that I thought worked really well and that may give Jones pause for thought as to whether they get introduced again. Losing 2-1 is better than losing 5-1 so That’s one thing even though Middlesbrough probably took off their best players towards the end. We definitely need a striker, a fit striker however that is brought about and we definitely need a creative midfielder. If we just got those two things this January I would be very happy. We are probably going to lose a Birmingham but I’m hoping for a draw. All this has shown how fragile our squad is in terms of depth.2
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This is it! Up the addicks!BigRedEvil said:Boro the better side but at least we gave it a go second half. And nearly grabbed a point if Oloafe could keep his shot down.2 -
If we played with two wingers we would be even more wide open in midfield and at the back than we are now. We are stuck with playing two up front. Choose two from Leaburn, TC , Oloafe and Apter. I don't think there is a pair that really works at this level.NabySarr said:
Even those like myself that like TC would probably agree he’s playing too many minutes at the moment. It’s why his performances have dropped off, he’s knackered and playing 90 every game is not doing him any goodqueensland_addick said:
Criticise him all you want. I'll criticise him for not covering his near post, but that doesn't excuse TC.ForeverAddickted said:
So have a good game, but make a mistake that leads to us conceding and you're immune from criticism?queensland_addick said:
Without Kaminski we'd have been 4 down before that chance even came along. No keeper is going to save everything. Kaminski was already well in credit on the night and was fully committed to the cause.ForeverAddickted said:
I've already said that TC made the mistake that led to the breakaway.Sword65pf said:
So it’s ok for everyone to sing his song when he was doing well, which seems a long time ago now, but not ok to criticise when he’s playing shit.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry Prague you don't get it... It’s only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?
But you refuse to acknowledge that others made mistakes in the build up to their second goal as well... Its that simple!!
Or do you genuinely think it was acceptable for Kaminski to let a goal in at his near post?
TC was not.
That's the difference
You're right Kaminski did keep us at 0-0, and should be commended for that... But he's also part of the reason why we went 0-2 down, so should be criticised for that, especially as it was a shot at his near post.
Kaminski was in a one on one situation with a forward who had scored 4 in his last 4 games, baring down on him from about 10 yards out. Whether he went near post, across Kaminski into the far corner, or high into the roof of the net, the odds were against Kaminski preventing a goal.
Kaminski tried his best, TC bottled it, and not for the first time.
He rarely puts in a tackle, he can't head the ball, yes he's very quick and can beat his man occasionally, but it rarely ends in anything meaningful.
He has three assists all season, and one of those, the ball was out of play. That is not good enough. He either needs to be rested or work hard to iron out the faults in his game.
The problem is if you take him out of the team we’d be even worse. Even in the first half where TC didn’t play well, the only way we got up the pitch was by getting the ball to him. That’s why he’s always left on the pitch, because no one else in our squad can do that. Without him we’d be stuck in our own half struggling to get out even more than we are nowIf we had a replacement for him then I’d agree he should come out of the team, but Hernandez is the only similar player that can play there and he’s shit. Apter looked bright so I’d play with 2 wingers, playing TC at wing back isn’t doing him or the team any good
TC and Kelman got us into the top 5 , along with Bell at the back. Let us hope we can get back to that, although NJ seemed very downbeat last night about the injured.0 -
We fluked a 0-0 by half time, could easily have been 2 downredbuttle said:
What happened when they didn't start at Ipswich?Garrymanilow said:
Everyone does criticise them. Far more than they do Tanto who has the same number of league goals as Leaburn and tends to show why Jones doesn’t usually start him every time he gets a chance. It’s nothing to do with golden boys, it’s the fact that the players who play less become footballing gods while the ones who play are apparently ‘total dogshit’. You swap TC and Tanto for 5 games and you’ll be calling Tanto that instead and asking why TC isn’t getting a gameredbuttle said:
Exactly. If they were both new signings everyone would criticise them. They are both total dogshit.DDOUBLEE said:1
