POST-MATCH THREAD: Norwich City v Charlton Athletic: Boxing Day 2025: KO 15:00

MuttleyCAFC said:

I would like to defend our strikers. They are on a hiding to nothing the way we play away and I think they generally battle well. The Norwich defender had the beating of Leaburn but he made a big positive difference against Oxford. I don't expect us to get relegated. We have to fix some issues that were not there before our injury problems and I think we will do some business in the January window.  We shouldn't get too high or too low. We are on schedule and have to keep the faith. In Jones we trust.

I don't even think that's true. Leaburn still won 10/16 aerial duels and won a couple of fouls. There were a few moments where he and Tanto held the ball up well and Leaburn found Tanto with a couple of good headers too. They didn't have anyone around them to help though and the Norwich fullbacks got back quickly so it was basically 2 v 4 a lot of the time

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

southamptonaddick said:

We've played shit and lost. 
Suddenly we're definitely getting relegated. 
When we've won we're going to get into the playoffs. 
I think we're a team that's newly promoted and we'll end up somewhere in between 8-21.
Might be the obvious thing to say but that's the way I feel. 

We've been playing shit for weeks and seem to be outclassed by most of the teams we play. Our football is pretty horrible to watch and after a good start to the season we've got steadily worse.

We'll do well to stay up and ultimately this limited style of football won't get us anywhere.
No goals in this team...

Think people got ahead of themselves with a good start.

Just like last season, the football isn't good to watch, but no one cares as much when you're winning, I know I certainly didn't.

You can pick out a few performances this season, or halves. Second half Watford, Bristol City in spells, Leicester, Blackburn second half, Ipswich second half, Oxford fairly comfortable, but for the most part, the football has been absolutely awful to watch.

There's a reason why only one of our players has a higher rating than 7 on data sites (Lloyd Jones) and we have scored less goals than played games.

Jones has done a fantastic job here, but anyone would struggle with this squad. There are only a handful of Championship quality players. So many need to be shipped off as they are nowhere near good enough.

If you've been paying attention to the football itself since Ipswich away, you'd have known we are in a relegation fight. We have been since the very first ball was kicked.

AndyG said:

golfaddick said:

charltonbob said:

golfaddick said:

PWR.

Probably been said already......      

We are the only visiting team this season not to score at Carrow Road and only the second team (Blackburn being the other) not to score against them at all.

So, for the love of God can we sign a striker & some f**king playmakers.....please  !

Not going to happen 

Then we will get relegated  

I’m confident that won’t be the case mate our points total will be ok come the end but it won’t be pretty. We desperately need some creativity up front and another striker 

We need a striker who can score, don't know how we'll find one in January.

Chunes said:

Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything. 

Alternatively, the top scorers are all worth millions, so a players value typically does guarantee you goals.

Adam Armstrong, 11 goals, 9 million.
Thomas-Asante, 10 goals, 12 million.
J. Gelhardt, 10 goals, 5 million (probs worth more)
Kieffer Moore, 10 goals, 2 million (age impacts)
Carlton Morris, 10 goals, 6 million
Oli McBurnie, 9 goals, 2.5 million (age) 

The list goes on. None of these players would be cheap or come with cheap wages, except for Gelhardt.

Not all the expensive strikers are good, but all the good strikers are expensive. That's just how it is and to paint it any other way is using a very small sample. 

They need to spend some wonga, all there is to it. League 1 players probably won't keep us up.

Chunes said:

Braziliance said:

Chunes said:

Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything. 

Alternatively, the top scorers are all worth millions, so a players value typically does guarantee you goals.

Adam Armstrong, 11 goals, 9 million.
Thomas-Asante, 10 goals, 12 million.
J. Gelhardt, 10 goals, 5 million (probs worth more)
Kieffer Moore, 10 goals, 2 million (age impacts)
Carlton Morris, 10 goals, 6 million
Oli McBurnie, 9 goals, 2.5 million (age) 

The list goes on. None of these players would be cheap or come with cheap wages, except for Gelhardt.

Not all the expensive strikers are good, but all the good strikers are expensive. That's just how it is and to paint it any other way is using a very small sample. 

They need to spend some wonga, all there is to it. League 1 players probably won't keep us up.

I get what you're saying, but their 'worth' is high because they're scoring goals in the Championship. What are their actual transfer fees?

McBurnie was a free transfer.

Kieffer Moore was 2 million but that's cheap for this league, we signed Kelman for more.

Morris signed for Luton for 1.3 million back in 2022, last fee undisclosed.

Asante was also undisclosed, but rumoured to be 2 million.

There will be a lot of strikers who signed for big money who aren't on that list. 

That's not entirely how the transfer worth works, or McBurnie, Morris and Moore would be worth more based on goals alone.

McBurnie has gone for 20 million as recently as 2020 and is now in his late 20s.

Moore is 33 and has been a multi million pound signing over 4 times. 

Carlton Morris has also moved for a multi million pound fee a couple of times and 30 now.

The key thing here is wages. They are all on big wages, wages we can't compete with. If we had signed McBurnie or Morris, we would probably be quite wide of the relegation zone with their goals, as they're on a completely different level to any of our current forwards. 

Money will always win in the end. Every team that sits above us has a more valuable squad and has spent more money. If you gave Nathan Jones the likes of McBurnie, Moore, Morris etc, in this current setup, we would look a completely different side. 

Big wages sign the best players, until we change our infrastructure, we won't progress, or it will be extremely unlikely.

EugenesAxe said:

If the owners want to run the club on a L1 budget there will be a fitting outcome.

Let’s see what they do in the transfer window, I think we will then know the ambition or lack of ,it’s a bit unfair to say they don’t have any before they show that. I think the plan was going ok until the injuries and that probably meant a couple of additions in jan, now the plan has more than likely changed, let’s see what they do. I feel like the manor of the display at Norwich has provoked a bit of over reaction on the doom and gloom side, I understand that, but it was 1-0 and we were as bad as we’ve been. We’ve proved we can compete this season already before the injuries, why can’t we get going again? Especially with some astute signings.

It's confusing why Fullah can't make the subs bench when he's made more of an impact from the bench than a lot of players currently filling our bench.

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

southamptonaddick said:

We've played shit and lost. 
Suddenly we're definitely getting relegated. 
When we've won we're going to get into the playoffs. 
I think we're a team that's newly promoted and we'll end up somewhere in between 8-21.
Might be the obvious thing to say but that's the way I feel. 

We've been playing shit for weeks and seem to be outclassed by most of the teams we play. Our football is pretty horrible to watch and after a good start to the season we've got steadily worse.

We'll do well to stay up and ultimately this limited style of football won't get us anywhere.
No goals in this team...

We haven't played well since the second half at Ipswich, but I still think we'll be OK. 

We just need our injured staters back, and to sign appropriate competition in Jan. 

Chunes said:

Braziliance said:

Chunes said:

Braziliance said:

Chunes said:

Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything. 

Alternatively, the top scorers are all worth millions, so a players value typically does guarantee you goals.

Adam Armstrong, 11 goals, 9 million.
Thomas-Asante, 10 goals, 12 million.
J. Gelhardt, 10 goals, 5 million (probs worth more)
Kieffer Moore, 10 goals, 2 million (age impacts)
Carlton Morris, 10 goals, 6 million
Oli McBurnie, 9 goals, 2.5 million (age) 

The list goes on. None of these players would be cheap or come with cheap wages, except for Gelhardt.

Not all the expensive strikers are good, but all the good strikers are expensive. That's just how it is and to paint it any other way is using a very small sample. 

They need to spend some wonga, all there is to it. League 1 players probably won't keep us up.

I get what you're saying, but their 'worth' is high because they're scoring goals in the Championship. What are their actual transfer fees?

McBurnie was a free transfer.

Kieffer Moore was 2 million but that's cheap for this league, we signed Kelman for more.

Morris signed for Luton for 1.3 million back in 2022, last fee undisclosed.

Asante was also undisclosed, but rumoured to be 2 million.

There will be a lot of strikers who signed for big money who aren't on that list. 

That's not entirely how the transfer worth works, or McBurnie, Morris and Moore would be worth more based on goals alone.

McBurnie has gone for 20 million as recently as 2020 and is now in his late 20s.

Moore is 33 and has been a multi million pound signing over 4 times. 

Carlton Morris has also moved for a multi million pound fee a couple of times and 30 now.

The key thing here is wages. They are all on big wages, wages we can't compete with. If we had signed McBurnie or Morris, we would probably be quite wide of the relegation zone with their goals, as they're on a completely different level to any of our current forwards. 

Money will always win in the end. Every team that sits above us has a more valuable squad and has spent more money. If you gave Nathan Jones the likes of McBurnie, Moore, Morris etc, in this current setup, we would look a completely different side. 

Big wages sign the best players, until we change our infrastructure, we won't progress, or it will be extremely unlikely.

I think we are talking about two different things. I'm saying that spending big money is no guarantee of the player scoring goals, as evidenced by many examples in this league, but you seem to be talking about signing players who are already top Championship goalscorers this season, so that would more or less guarantee goals.

I've got no expectation that we can sign anyone like that, or that they would have any interest in coming here. 

You sign those players though with big wages, which is the same as a big transfer fee, it just so happens that those 3 had favourable circumstances to be signed. If they were all 8 years younger, they'd be worth 10 million+. 

Like I said, all big money signings aren't good players, but all the best players are signed for big money or are worth big money. 

That Norwich example is an extremely rare one in this league and a bit of an anomaly. Usually all the top forwards are worth the big bucks.

Chippycafc said:

EugenesAxe said:

If the owners want to run the club on a L1 budget there will be a fitting outcome.

Been saying that for ages. Speculate to accumulate. Remember the difference in TV money in this league should off load some of this. 

Arent they trying to raise funds per the other thread? 

Chunes said:

Braziliance said:

Chunes said:

Braziliance said:

Chunes said:

Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything. 

Alternatively, the top scorers are all worth millions, so a players value typically does guarantee you goals.

Adam Armstrong, 11 goals, 9 million.
Thomas-Asante, 10 goals, 12 million.
J. Gelhardt, 10 goals, 5 million (probs worth more)
Kieffer Moore, 10 goals, 2 million (age impacts)
Carlton Morris, 10 goals, 6 million
Oli McBurnie, 9 goals, 2.5 million (age) 

The list goes on. None of these players would be cheap or come with cheap wages, except for Gelhardt.

Not all the expensive strikers are good, but all the good strikers are expensive. That's just how it is and to paint it any other way is using a very small sample. 

They need to spend some wonga, all there is to it. League 1 players probably won't keep us up.

I get what you're saying, but their 'worth' is high because they're scoring goals in the Championship. What are their actual transfer fees?

McBurnie was a free transfer.

Kieffer Moore was 2 million but that's cheap for this league, we signed Kelman for more.

Morris signed for Luton for 1.3 million back in 2022, last fee undisclosed.

Asante was also undisclosed, but rumoured to be 2 million.

There will be a lot of strikers who signed for big money who aren't on that list. 

That's not entirely how the transfer worth works, or McBurnie, Morris and Moore would be worth more based on goals alone.

McBurnie has gone for 20 million as recently as 2020 and is now in his late 20s.

Moore is 33 and has been a multi million pound signing over 4 times. 

Carlton Morris has also moved for a multi million pound fee a couple of times and 30 now.

The key thing here is wages. They are all on big wages, wages we can't compete with. If we had signed McBurnie or Morris, we would probably be quite wide of the relegation zone with their goals, as they're on a completely different level to any of our current forwards. 

Money will always win in the end. Every team that sits above us has a more valuable squad and has spent more money. If you gave Nathan Jones the likes of McBurnie, Moore, Morris etc, in this current setup, we would look a completely different side. 

Big wages sign the best players, until we change our infrastructure, we won't progress, or it will be extremely unlikely.

I think we are talking about two different things. I'm saying that spending big money is no guarantee of the player scoring goals, as evidenced by many examples in this league, but you seem to be talking about signing players who are already top Championship goalscorers this season, so that would more or less guarantee goals.

I've got no expectation that we can sign anyone like that, or that they would have any interest in coming here. 

Another concern is that even if the owners let Jones spend say another 10 Million, he will not want to put them straight in. He will want to get them up to his fitness levels and get them playing to his preferred system.......
We might start running out if winnable games before new signings can start to upgrade our team......

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Chippycafc said:

EugenesAxe said:

If the owners want to run the club on a L1 budget there will be a fitting outcome.

Been saying that for ages. Speculate to accumulate. Remember the difference in TV money in this league should off load some of this. 

The difference in TV money is about £10m which is probably what we spent in the summer. 

The financial rules in the championship are stricter than league 1. If you go over budget in league 1 then the owners can just pay the difference as equity. In the championship you get a points deduction 

In league 1 we went over budget and the owners paid the difference so we were fine. I’d imagine this season we are pushing our budget as far as it can go within the rules. People demanding we spend more money are going to be disappointed because it’s not going to happen

We still have money. The strictness has loopholes, like length of contract. 

As an example Kelman on a 4 year contract with a rumoured 3.5 million fee. If that is the case, Kelman will eat into 875k of our transfer window for this season. You can apply that to all of our signings. It isn't as simple as 3.5 million is deducted from the 13 million. 

Shame we are pissing wages up the wall on the likes of Roussillon and Hernandez. Regardless of the length of contracts, that's money wasted and an example of our poor recruitment. 

We had enough money and owners with enough wealth to build a team, we just signed too much guff unfortunately. From what I understand though, unless all the public information is wrong, we still have a few million left. 

That’s true but it’s a dangerous game to play and that’s how teams get caught out when they then try and spend more in future years and are still paying for loads of players they bought previously.