Greg Docherty

Weegie Addick said:

shirty5 said:

Our Club Captain on the substitutes bench for the 6th successive league game in a row 

His last start was away at Stoke City at the end of November. 

I wonder if he’d have organised us better from the final restart last night if he’d been on the pitch by then? Though I’m not sure who he’d have come on for. 

Good chance he’d have been in there scrapping for the second ball that they scored from. 

Leuth said:

Rock Spectacle said:

Whole midfield is a mess at the moment, Carey has dropped off alarmingly since West Brom, Coventry seems to be playing as a 4th centre half, Anderson isn't quite sure where he is playing, Doc seems to do the simple things and is vocal. And we've got a lot more points with him than without. Who knows 

Docherty has been absolutely atrocious recently. He doesn't do 'the simple things', he's basically not been able to do much of anything. The game passes him by 

I'd disagree. He is never going to be the goal scoring or crunch tackling midfielder. But he will get back and fight for the ball, help defend and push on the attack. A traditional CM who helps with the flow of the game from the middle of the pitch and gets around it. So many times I've also seen him have more heart for the badge than most defenders and at least try and make sure we fight to not to concede and be the only or last man in defence where the rest have gone missing. The Doc hate is honestly one of the maddest things going and I believe most is from everyone jumping on the bandwagon and making him this seasons Charlton scapegoat that we always seem to have.

cafc-4-life said:

Leuth said:

Rock Spectacle said:

Whole midfield is a mess at the moment, Carey has dropped off alarmingly since West Brom, Coventry seems to be playing as a 4th centre half, Anderson isn't quite sure where he is playing, Doc seems to do the simple things and is vocal. And we've got a lot more points with him than without. Who knows 

Docherty has been absolutely atrocious recently. He doesn't do 'the simple things', he's basically not been able to do much of anything. The game passes him by 

I'd disagree. He is never going to be the goal scoring or crunch tackling midfielder. But he will get back and fight for the ball, help defend and push on the attack. A traditional CM who helps with the flow of the game from the middle of the pitch and gets around it. So many times I've also seen him have more heart for the badge than most defenders and at least try and make sure we fight to not to concede and be the only or last man in defence where the rest have gone missing. The Doc hate is honestly one of the maddest things going and I believe most is from everyone jumping on the bandwagon and making him this seasons Charlton scapegoat that we always seem to have.

I criticised him a lot last season as well, so I don't think there's any scapegoating going on. Our midfield struggled to dominate other L1 midfields and we can't be starting most of those same players in this league and have any hope for success. 

Coventry is the type of game Docherty is most useful in. His best games this season have been against the big teams that have a lot of the ball. He’s positionally disciplined which is what is most important against this kind of team, they try and pull you apart so you need to be tough to break down. Doubt Costello can do back to back starts so I’d bring Docherty in tomorrow 

Great captain, great character to have around the club but he’s not a championship midfielder 

I still think it’s true what some of us said in the summer that we should look to upgrade in his position.

Anderson will likely need regular game time if he’s going to get there, and we aren’t in the position to give him that.

JRC has the chance to make that spot his own, but it’s possible we make a signing there - I think wing back (both sides) and up front will be the priority (Fofana nearly signing shows NJ wanted to strengthen up front in the summer) before CM, so I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t sign one this window.

Docherty can play a part as he showed in his good run at the start of the season, but he’s best suited to playing a more defensive role than the box to box all rounder we probably need in general.

Longer term no he’s not the answer, but we’ve got to stay up first and that’s also true for other players, it’s not something to single Docherty out for.

Cannot understand why he wasn’t even in the squad yesterday (which got some likes in the match thread).

The midfield yesterday was a shambles. 

I'm not his biggest fan but if you rest Coventry, you've got to play Docherty. Some speculation on the rumours thread he may be leaving? Odd for him to not even be in the squad.

No idea why he wouldn't be in the squad if he's fit. Starting Anderson over him in the CC role is very weird as I kind of assumed Doc was the natural cover for CC. 

fenaddick said:

I like Doc but this is a classic case of a player getting better by not being on the pitch. Last time he played the match thread was full of people giving him pelters, sometimes for things he wasn’t even at fault with, straight away. He had a good spell of form for about 5 games but wasn’t good enough in the games either side of that 

He's not good enough for this league but he is a far better option at 6 than Anderson. Docherty at least has a bit of a footballing brain, he's just too slow for the league. 

Croydon said:

fenaddick said:

I like Doc but this is a classic case of a player getting better by not being on the pitch. Last time he played the match thread was full of people giving him pelters, sometimes for things he wasn’t even at fault with, straight away. He had a good spell of form for about 5 games but wasn’t good enough in the games either side of that 

He's not good enough for this league but he is a far better option at 6 than Anderson. Docherty at least has a bit of a footballing brain, he's just too slow for the league. 

I’d rather JRC in the 6 than Anderson or Docherty 

I think a lot of his work goes unnoticed and unappreciated. The fact is that most of our best performances of the season were with Doc in the team.

fenaddick said:

I like Doc but this is a classic case of a player getting better by not being on the pitch. Last time he played the match thread was full of people giving him pelters, sometimes for things he wasn’t even at fault with, straight away. He had a good spell of form for about 5 games but wasn’t good enough in the games either side of that 

I agree. What would he have done yesterday that would have helped us? He can't move the ball progressively, and he wouldn't have got near any the pace/power of their midfielders. The game would have passed him by.