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Anderson is the embodiment of a Headless chicken - he runs around a lot but actually contributes almost nothing and I'm sorry but just hasn't got a football brain. A bit like TC, although to be fair to TC he is quick & has already got 1 goal (yes 1 goal) and an assist for Leaburn when the ball was already out lol this season and its the middle of January. ! !!Crispywood said:Would have done a better job than Anderson yesterday but he’s still not the answer
Sorry but they both lack quality in decision making whenever they play. If this is the best of the academy then God help us. To my mind Fullah is way better than both of these.8 -
I was all for Anderson playing in front of the back 3 but that was poor yesterday. It’s a key position and he’s perhaps not quite ready for it yet. I don’t think Docherty uses the ball well enough either but he does bring a bit of energy to the midfield.1
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Our midfield combinations have been confusing in recent weeks.
I'm not sure how much of the rotation is to maintain energy levels, or if NJ doesn't know his best team, but it's surprising to rest Coventry, but then leave Doc out completely, rather than playing him in the 6 role, where experience is useful.
Anderson isn't disciplined enough to play there, and with his sometimes poor first touch, can lose the ball in really dangerous areas. I much prefer him further up the pitch, where his energy and pressing can be useful.
Coventry will be back in on Tuesday, but I have no idea who will play alongside him.
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Correct. While I think he should be starting over Anderson I don’t think he provides the “stability” in midfield people are claiming he does. If he started over Anderson I don’t think the first half would have been as disastrous but we would have definitely still gotten run over.fenaddick said:I like Doc but this is a classic case of a player getting better by not being on the pitch. Last time he played the match thread was full of people giving him pelters, sometimes for things he wasn’t even at fault with, straight away. He had a good spell of form for about 5 games but wasn’t good enough in the games either side of that3 -
Coventry JRC and Carey is easily our best midfield 3.killerandflash said:Our midfield combinations have been confusing in recent weeks.
I'm not sure how much of the rotation is to maintain energy levels, or if NJ doesn't know his best team, but it's surprising to rest Coventry, but then leave Doc out completely, rather than playing him in the 6 role, where experience is useful.
Anderson isn't disciplined enough to play there, and with his sometimes poor first touch, can lose the ball in really dangerous areas. I much prefer him further up the pitch, where his energy and pressing can be useful.
Coventry will be back in on Tuesday, but I have no idea who will play alongside him.13 -
We play again on Tuesday. Maybe NJ thought he would rest both Docherty and Coventry as, on paper, Derby looks a more winnable game?4
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I think this is it. I'm expecting a midfield of Coventry, Doc/JRC and Carey. Doesn't explain his lack of other appearances thoughCafcWest said:We play again on Tuesday. Maybe NJ thought he would rest both Docherty and Coventry as, on paper, Derby looks a more winnable game?2 -
- The best of the academy usually gets poached at around 15/16 to go to a Cat 1 juggernautEastbourneAddick said:
Anderson is the embodiment of a Headless chicken - he runs around a lot but actually contributes almost nothing and I'm sorry but just hasn't got a football brain. A bit like TC, although to be fair to TC he is quick & has already got 1 goal (yes 1 goal) and an assist for Leaburn when the ball was already out lol this season and its the middle of January. ! !!Crispywood said:Would have done a better job than Anderson yesterday but he’s still not the answer
Sorry but they both lack quality in decision making whenever they play. If this is the best of the academy then God help us. To my mind Fullah is way better than both of these.
- TC was a key part of our promotion winning side and offers a threat that the opposition has to pay attention to by virtue of his pace and the fact that he is unafraid to take players on (but he isn't flashy with stepovers so his "push and go" beat the man style doesn't actually look that great compared to others who have been more exciting previously). He's an important player especially with Josh Edwards behind him (Edwards is probably the most important player for the way we set up in attack, oddly, and him being out is a HUGE miss) (anyway this isn't the TC thread and I digress). He also never stops working and - remember - is only 22 (was 21 start of the season!!); he can and will still improve.
- I think you're basically right about Anderson, who is best off - in our current squad - coming on at 75+ when defending a lead, to help a higher press. I don't think Karoy is going to be good enough, sadly, but I think you are being really harsh on our academy all the same.
- Doc would've been a better choice than Anderson but would be keen to understand why he wasn't involved yesterday, and we don't have the facts
- Fullah being "way better" when he's barely played - I'd ask if you watch the U21s and youth games to form such a robust opinion, but your prior sentence probably gives me my answer.
Anyway, we did miss Doc AND Cov: if Coventry doesn't play, Doc should, as someone said up the thread.6 -
killerandflash said:Our midfield combinations have been confusing in recent weeks.
I'm not sure how much of the rotation is to maintain energy levels, or if NJ doesn't know his best team, but it's surprising to rest Coventry, but then leave Doc out completely, rather than playing him in the 6 role, where experience is useful.
Anderson isn't disciplined enough to play there, and with his sometimes poor first touch, can lose the ball in really dangerous areas. I much prefer him further up the pitch, where his energy and pressing can be useful.
Coventry will be back in on Tuesday, but I have no idea who will play alongside him.
How do we know that Doc isn't injured and Coventry hasn't had a knock that NJ will only take a risk on if absolutely desperate ? After all, NJ often keeps his "cards to his chest" in these situations, no point in alerting the oppositions manager that we have a problem.
Lets face it, he played Anderson as defensive midfielder but he's an attacking midfielder, that suggests there was a possible problem there.
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Because Doc has been in the squad arrival videos and played amazing Chelsea and Blackburn. No way he’s in that video this weekend if he’s injured himself post ChelseaCombeMartin said:killerandflash said:Our midfield combinations have been confusing in recent weeks.
I'm not sure how much of the rotation is to maintain energy levels, or if NJ doesn't know his best team, but it's surprising to rest Coventry, but then leave Doc out completely, rather than playing him in the 6 role, where experience is useful.
Anderson isn't disciplined enough to play there, and with his sometimes poor first touch, can lose the ball in really dangerous areas. I much prefer him further up the pitch, where his energy and pressing can be useful.
Coventry will be back in on Tuesday, but I have no idea who will play alongside him.
How do we know that Doc isn't injured and Coventry hasn't had a knock that NJ will only take a risk on if absolutely desperate ? After all, NJ often keeps his "cards to his chest" in these situations, no point in alerting the oppositions manager that we have a problem.
Lets face it, he played Anderson as defensive midfielder but he's an attacking midfielder, that suggests there was a possible problem there.
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CombeMartin said:
He could have broken down after arriving, its happened before (not to him) but to us, and if Doc was ok, why would Anderson be played in his role ?
Because Doc has been in the squad arrival videos and played amazing Chelsea and Blackburn. No way he’s in that video this weekend if he’s injured himself post Chelseakillerandflash said:Our midfield combinations have been confusing in recent weeks.
I'm not sure how much of the rotation is to maintain energy levels, or if NJ doesn't know his best team, but it's surprising to rest Coventry, but then leave Doc out completely, rather than playing him in the 6 role, where experience is useful.
Anderson isn't disciplined enough to play there, and with his sometimes poor first touch, can lose the ball in really dangerous areas. I much prefer him further up the pitch, where his energy and pressing can be useful.
Coventry will be back in on Tuesday, but I have no idea who will play alongside him.
How do we know that Doc isn't injured and Coventry hasn't had a knock that NJ will only take a risk on if absolutely desperate ? After all, NJ often keeps his "cards to his chest" in these situations, no point in alerting the oppositions manager that we have a problem.
Lets face it, he played Anderson as defensive midfielder but he's an attacking midfielder, that suggests there was a possible problem there.
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Would be going some to break down between the car park and the dressing roomCombeMartin said:CombeMartin said:
He could have broken down after arriving, its happened before (not to him) but to us, and if Doc was ok, why would Anderson be played in his role ?
Because Doc has been in the squad arrival videos and played amazing Chelsea and Blackburn. No way he’s in that video this weekend if he’s injured himself post Chelseakillerandflash said:Our midfield combinations have been confusing in recent weeks.
I'm not sure how much of the rotation is to maintain energy levels, or if NJ doesn't know his best team, but it's surprising to rest Coventry, but then leave Doc out completely, rather than playing him in the 6 role, where experience is useful.
Anderson isn't disciplined enough to play there, and with his sometimes poor first touch, can lose the ball in really dangerous areas. I much prefer him further up the pitch, where his energy and pressing can be useful.
Coventry will be back in on Tuesday, but I have no idea who will play alongside him.
How do we know that Doc isn't injured and Coventry hasn't had a knock that NJ will only take a risk on if absolutely desperate ? After all, NJ often keeps his "cards to his chest" in these situations, no point in alerting the oppositions manager that we have a problem.
Lets face it, he played Anderson as defensive midfielder but he's an attacking midfielder, that suggests there was a possible problem there.
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So why was he on the coach if the intention was to not play him.0
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Because we always have two spare men in case someone gets injured in the warm up. This weekend it was Doc and Fullah. They’re often running on the pitch about 20 mins before the actual warm upsCombeMartin said:So why was he on the coach if the intention was to not play him.1 -
Considering that he played well at Blackburn and against Chelsea it would be odd to not play him against Sheff U. Maybe he had a " late funny turn" and it was decided not to risk it.0
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If Doc was meant to play and only withdrew at the last minute, I'm sure NJ would have mentioned it after the game. He was in a grumpy mood, pissed off with the fans, so wouldn't have failed to mention a late injury issue like that.1
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Yeah this. Him and Cov was 100% about managing minutes ahead of a busy week of games. I expect Doc will play against Millwall and potentially play Tuesday. Cov likely play both.fenaddick said:
I think this is it. I'm expecting a midfield of Coventry, Doc/JRC and Carey. Doesn't explain his lack of other appearances thoughCafcWest said:We play again on Tuesday. Maybe NJ thought he would rest both Docherty and Coventry as, on paper, Derby looks a more winnable game?0 -
Suspect the absence of Doc from the first team may be because he has questioned the formation/tactics (i don't know this just suspect it) - The gaffer has show in the past, with us, and with other clubs' that it's his way or the highway ...1
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Think he’d be out the door if that was the caseBroadstairs_Red said:Suspect the absence of Doc from the first team may be because he has questioned the formation/tactics (i don't know this just suspect it) - The gaffer has show in the past, with us, and with other clubs' that it's his way or the highway ...0 -
fenaddick said:
Would be going some to break down between the car park and the dressing roomCombeMartin said:CombeMartin said:
He could have broken down after arriving, its happened before (not to him) but to us, and if Doc was ok, why would Anderson be played in his role ?
Because Doc has been in the squad arrival videos and played amazing Chelsea and Blackburn. No way he’s in that video this weekend if he’s injured himself post Chelseakillerandflash said:Our midfield combinations have been confusing in recent weeks.
I'm not sure how much of the rotation is to maintain energy levels, or if NJ doesn't know his best team, but it's surprising to rest Coventry, but then leave Doc out completely, rather than playing him in the 6 role, where experience is useful.
Anderson isn't disciplined enough to play there, and with his sometimes poor first touch, can lose the ball in really dangerous areas. I much prefer him further up the pitch, where his energy and pressing can be useful.
Coventry will be back in on Tuesday, but I have no idea who will play alongside him.
How do we know that Doc isn't injured and Coventry hasn't had a knock that NJ will only take a risk on if absolutely desperate ? After all, NJ often keeps his "cards to his chest" in these situations, no point in alerting the oppositions manager that we have a problem.
Lets face it, he played Anderson as defensive midfielder but he's an attacking midfielder, that suggests there was a possible problem there.
Unless it was a fucking big pot hole.
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Anderson is a great prospect who is still learning. He wasn't great on Saturday but it was useful that he got 90 minutes. Some on here say things like he hasn't got a football brain but I'm bloody glad they are not managing us with their massive football brains. I will defend Campbell too. He opens teams up and again is getting valuable experience. Is he the finished article, no, neither of them are. I can add Leaburn to that. These players will be big for us as long as we can keep them and support them FFS.6
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Anderson and Campbell, being young players, have shortcomings but they both possess speed and stamina which enables us to outwork more skilful sides than us on paper. Too many Charlton sides have had an invisible midfield because the personnel have had the mobility of late career Ben Watson or worse.
I believe Nathan is all too aware of this. A team is the sum of its parts not the eleven ‘best’ individuals.1 -
I dont disagree but you need to find the right balance and roles for each. Putting Karoy in the holding midfield role isnt going to get the best out of running energy or pace. Similarly that one home game towards the end of last season where TC was injured so we tried him in the TC role that was always going to expose his lack of ability on the ball. Put him in the box to box role with a positionally solid CM like Cov behind him and tell him to cover all the ground and he will do well. In some situations putting him in the 10 with the remit to press their backline relentlessly and he will do that well.LenGlover said:Anderson and Campbell, being young players, have shortcomings but they both possess speed and stamina which enables us to outwork more skilful sides than us on paper. Too many Charlton sides have had an invisible midfield because the personnel have had the mobility of late career Ben Watson or worse.
I believe Nathan is all too aware of this. A team is the sum of its parts not the eleven ‘best’ individuals.
Saturdays role was not right for him and it showed. Other roles will suit him better.3 -
Fair comment re the exact roles but the need is / was pace and stamina so get it in somehow may have been the thought process.cantersaddick said:
I dont disagree but you need to find the right balance and roles for each. Putting Karoy in the holding midfield role isnt going to get the best out of running energy or pace. Similarly that one home game towards the end of last season where TC was injured so we tried him in the TC role that was always going to expose his lack of ability on the ball. Put him in the box to box role with a positionally solid CM like Cov behind him and tell him to cover all the ground and he will do well. In some situations putting him in the 10 with the remit to press their backline relentlessly and he will do that well.LenGlover said:Anderson and Campbell, being young players, have shortcomings but they both possess speed and stamina which enables us to outwork more skilful sides than us on paper. Too many Charlton sides have had an invisible midfield because the personnel have had the mobility of late career Ben Watson or worse.
I believe Nathan is all too aware of this. A team is the sum of its parts not the eleven ‘best’ individuals.
Saturdays role was not right for him and it showed. Other roles will suit him better.1 -
I don't think speed and stamina are enough at Championship level. TC has more than that, but Anderson needs to add something extra. Our passing was woeful on Saturday, even when not being pressed by the 9 men, and Anderson looked especially shaky. Anderson can cut it as a pro footballer, but the jury is out as to what level.LenGlover said:Anderson and Campbell, being young players, have shortcomings but they both possess speed and stamina which enables us to outwork more skilful sides than us on paper. Too many Charlton sides have had an invisible midfield because the personnel have had the mobility of late career Ben Watson or worse.
I believe Nathan is all too aware of this. A team is the sum of its parts not the eleven ‘best’ individuals.0 -
Are we at the making random shit up stage of the season already? I thought we'd have to hit the relegation zone before that started upBroadstairs_Red said:Suspect the absence of Doc from the first team may be because he has questioned the formation/tactics (i don't know this just suspect it) - The gaffer has show in the past, with us, and with other clubs' that it's his way or the highway ...6 -
Docherty didn’t make the squad because a) we now have two strikers to put on the bench.
Anderson was just preferred to Docherty and you only take one of them it’s not rocket science 0 -
I think he deserves a chance tomorrow.0
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Cov back in tomorrow and then other Anderson or Doc on bench.Doc shouldn’t be near the starting 110
