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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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We don’t need a complete change in style but would be nice to not essentially be the 2nd lowest scorers in the division, whilst being 23rd for XG, 21st for SOT,5
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Exactly this. He plays the style of football that gets the best out of the resources he has. When Luton were in league 2, they had a very good squad for the level so he set them up to play attractive football and they won the league. If you don’t have one of the best squads in the league, it is very difficult to do well trying to play this way, because you usually have worse footballers than the opposition dofenlandaddick said:Bedsaddick said:
You are joking right ? I heard nothing but complaining about the matches . Clean sheets got us promoted not attacking football and as for doing it multiple times . Where ? He certainly didn’t play attractive football at Luton ( yes it was effective) I know many fans who support them as they are my local team and they hated his brand of football and just ask Stoke and Southampton fans what they think of his style . It wasn’t until Rob Edwards took over at Luton did they look a good footballing side .NabySarr said:
Do people really think that Jones plan is to keep being a team that doesn’t create any chances? Of course it isn’t. And he absolutely deserves the chance to carry on from the base he’s built and make us a better teamBedsaddick said:
I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor .NabySarr said:
More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd.Bedsaddick said:
I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around? . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ?DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us!The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become
And to those doubting he can do it,, including with us last season. Didn’t hear any complaints about our style of play from January to May last season? From a solid base we became a team that scored goals and won gamesMy brother in law ( lifelong Luton season ticket holder) mentioned the first season he played more appealing football. It was when they were promoted through the league the tactics changed. He believes because the talent could not play the same passing style higher up the league. Mainly because playing above their 'natural' level. Sees the way we play as very similar.Most players we have are playing higher than they ever have, and do not have the consistent level of skill and technique to play around teams with better players.If we stay up, I hope we go in for upgrades to players, and if we do it will be interesting to see if Jones changes our style.7 -
It would. And I am sure Jones also thinks so. He's not playing sufferball tactics because he gets some sadistic enjoyment out of it, he does it because it works and trying to play expansive football with this squad does not work and never would.Crispywood said:We don’t need a complete change in style but would be nice to not essentially be the 2nd lowest scorers in the division, whilst being 23rd for XG, 21st for SOT,
If this time next season we're still playing the same drab football with the same limited players then I'll be as annoyed as anyone but I'm optimistic that won't be the case.
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The game has moved on so much but not exactly for the better. The number of managers to manage in the championship this season is just shy of 40. That’s 40! This proves that the stock of manager out there is not great at all! It’s not always pleasing to watch but we need to give him time! He has so much credit in the bank as much as his tactics and style do drive a lot of us crazy!Croydon said:
I personally think the game (and this league) has moved on since then.NabySarr said:
He’s literally done it before? So how have you come to the conclusion that he doesn’t have what it takes?Croydon said:Deserves all the plaudits if he keeps us up but I don't think he has what it takes to improve a team in this league.3 -
The vast majority know this, understand that's how it has to be for now and accept it.fenlandaddick said:Bedsaddick said:
You are joking right ? I heard nothing but complaining about the matches . Clean sheets got us promoted not attacking football and as for doing it multiple times . Where ? He certainly didn’t play attractive football at Luton ( yes it was effective) I know many fans who support them as they are my local team and they hated his brand of football and just ask Stoke and Southampton fans what they think of his style . It wasn’t until Rob Edwards took over at Luton did they look a good footballing side .NabySarr said:
Do people really think that Jones plan is to keep being a team that doesn’t create any chances? Of course it isn’t. And he absolutely deserves the chance to carry on from the base he’s built and make us a better teamBedsaddick said:
I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor .NabySarr said:
More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd.Bedsaddick said:
I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around? . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ?DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us!The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become
And to those doubting he can do it,, including with us last season. Didn’t hear any complaints about our style of play from January to May last season? From a solid base we became a team that scored goals and won gamesMy brother in law ( lifelong Luton season ticket holder) mentioned the first season he played more appealing football. It was when they were promoted through the league the tactics changed. He believes because the talent could not play the same passing style higher up the league. Mainly because playing above their 'natural' level. Sees the way we play as very similar.Most players we have are playing higher than they ever have, and do not have the consistent level of skill and technique to play around teams with better players.If we stay up, I hope we go in for upgrades to players, and if we do it will be interesting to see if Jones changes our style.
A minority know this but don't appreciate that we'll likely be worse off without Jones.
A very small minority just don't understand.9 -
Just my opinion. Absolute Madness is well over the top. I honestly think we could get someone in to do a better job producing more aesthetically pleasing football. On this forum anybody who takes the opposite view to the group think gets insulted?se9addick said:
Absolute madness.DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.2 -
Who? Not being sarcastic. Genuinely wondering who you think is out there that we could realistically get who'd do any better with these players.DennisBooth said:
Just my opinion. Absolute Madness is well over the top. I honestly think we could get someone in to do a better job producing more aesthetically pleasing football. On this forum anybody who takes the opposite view to the group think gets insulted?se9addick said:
Absolute madness.DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.8 -
That's as much an issue of the quality of the strikers we've got as the style of play, if not more so.Bedsaddick said:
And when was the last time we converted two of those chances in a game ?NabySarr said:Bedsaddick said:
You are joking right ? I heard nothing but complaining about the matches . Clean sheets got us promoted not attacking football and as for doing it multiple times . Where ? He certainly didn’t play attractive football at Luton ( yes it was effective) and ask Stoke and Southampton fans what they think of his style .NabySarr said:
Do people really think that Jones plan is to keep being a team that doesn’t create any chances? Of course it isn’t. And he absolutely deserves the chance to carry on from the base he’s built and make us a better teamBedsaddick said:
I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor .NabySarr said:
More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd.Bedsaddick said:
I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around? . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ?DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us!The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become
And to those doubting he can do it,, including with us last season. Didn’t hear any complaints about our style of play from January to May last season? From a solid base we became a team that scored goals and won games
I really don’t remember many complaints at all in the January to May period where we played some good stuff. From late December onwards we scored the joint 2nd most goals in the league and got the 2nd most points. Were you not entertained?He won league 2 with Luton having the highest possession in the league
Personally I don’t care about attractive football. I just want a team that creates more chances than the opposition, as that’s how you win more games. The best way to do that on our budget is by playing more direct football, keeping our solid base, but getting better players and improving our existing players in attack and midfield0 -
I think this is the biggest difference. The quality and composure in those snapshot moments. You can see this in the Premiership. The players that command higher salaries and fees are those that can read and react to the game quicker. This then gives them the time and space to execute a shot, cross or pass more effectively ( amoungst other talents as well, but I think this is the biggest difference to a quality player)Pretty sure with the right personalities in Jones would get better quality football from the players. Let's hope money is spent well this summer ( and we stay up if course)0
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I don’t think we will win another game this season. Hopefully we can get two or three draws. Which will be enough.
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My only concern here, is Nathan Jones has managed at two clubs with money behind them in Stoke and Southampton, and a large portion of both sets of their fans genuinely believe he is one of their worst managers ever, and constantly chant that his football is shite.thenewbie said:
It would. And I am sure Jones also thinks so. He's not playing sufferball tactics because he gets some sadistic enjoyment out of it, he does it because it works and trying to play expansive football with this squad does not work and never would.Crispywood said:We don’t need a complete change in style but would be nice to not essentially be the 2nd lowest scorers in the division, whilst being 23rd for XG, 21st for SOT,
If this time next season we're still playing the same drab football with the same limited players then I'll be as annoyed as anyone but I'm optimistic that won't be the case.
Stoke were hardly an underdog when he took them over, and probably had one of the larger budgets but he couldn't get a tune out of them. Saints of course a tougher job, but still, had some talented players and couldn't get them playing.
I've come to accept that Nathan Jones just isn't that type of manager, and am expecting us to be one of the most negative teams attacking wise again next season if we stay up, which is fine, if we stay up.
League 1 is a bit of an outlier. One of the biggest clubs in the league, big budget, arguably one of the better squads, but apart from a few games like Huddersfield at home, and Northampton & Wycombe away, we didn't look very free flowing or liquid. Just a solid team defensively with TC and Small causing teams issues on the wings
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Just some outliers looking back at League 1:
Goals scored: ranked joint 9th
Goals conceded: 5th
Big chances: 9th
Ball possession: 13th
Accurate passes per game: 17th
Toal shots per game: 10th
Interceptions per game: 2nd
Clearances per game: 1st
Fouls per game: 2nd
Clean sheets: 3rd
He done his job, and got us promoted, but, we hardly looked like an imposing team in the league below with far weaker opposition.
I just don't see how he turns us into an expansive attacking side when he hasn't really done it at any job.
This is Nathan Jones style of play, and I don't see it changing. Especially with one of the clubs with the lowest budgets in the league (now official, not 'guesswork')4 -
Is SOT not the common acronym for Shit on Toast?Crispywood said:We don’t need a complete change in style but would be nice to not essentially be the 2nd lowest scorers in the division, whilst being 23rd for XG, 21st for SOT,0 -
Just because a team features low in the possession table doesn’t necessarily mean they are direct. It just means they may not bother passing it endlessly along the back four and to the keeper and back, à la Southampton before that new fella came in.NabySarr said:
More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd.Bedsaddick said:
I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around? . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ?DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us!The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to becomeHull for example play some lovely football on the deck. In the games I’ve seen they have anyway.We tend to mix it up a bit. Can play some nice football on the deck but go direct when the need arises. It’s one of Alex Neil’s fortes. He adapts our style to who we’re facing. Sometimes mid game. Hence why we’ve had so many games this season where we’ve been shit in the first half but come back stronger in the 2nd. Sorry but I don’t think Nathan Jones has that quality. Hes very rigid.1 -
But they have to live in Hull. So need to find something else attractive to look at 😁MillwallFan said:
Just because a team features low in the possession table doesn’t necessarily mean they are direct. It just means they may not bother passing it endlessly along the back four and to the keeper and back, à la Southampton before that new fella came in.NabySarr said:
More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd.Bedsaddick said:
I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around? . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ?DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us!The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to becomeHull for example play some lovely football on the deck. In the games I’ve seen they have anyway.We tend to mix it up a bit. Can play some nice football on the deck but go direct when the need arises. It’s one of Alex Neil’s fortes. He adapts our style to who we’re facing. Sometimes mid game. Hence why we’ve had so many games this season where we’ve been shit in the first half but come back stronger in the 2nd. Sorry but I don’t think Nathan Jones has that quality. Hes very rigid.
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Woolwich and Plumstead are much nicer…fenlandaddick said:
But they have to live in Hull. So need to find something else attractive to look at 😁MillwallFan said:
Just because a team features low in the possession table doesn’t necessarily mean they are direct. It just means they may not bother passing it endlessly along the back four and to the keeper and back, à la Southampton before that new fella came in.NabySarr said:
More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd.Bedsaddick said:
I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around? . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ?DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us!The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to becomeHull for example play some lovely football on the deck. In the games I’ve seen they have anyway.We tend to mix it up a bit. Can play some nice football on the deck but go direct when the need arises. It’s one of Alex Neil’s fortes. He adapts our style to who we’re facing. Sometimes mid game. Hence why we’ve had so many games this season where we’ve been shit in the first half but come back stronger in the 2nd. Sorry but I don’t think Nathan Jones has that quality. Hes very rigid.1 -
They must be better than Hull , otherwise by this rule our football would be more attractive 😉The Red Robin said:
Woolwich and Plumstead are much nicer…fenlandaddick said:
But they have to live in Hull. So need to find something else attractive to look at 😁MillwallFan said:
Just because a team features low in the possession table doesn’t necessarily mean they are direct. It just means they may not bother passing it endlessly along the back four and to the keeper and back, à la Southampton before that new fella came in.NabySarr said:
More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd.Bedsaddick said:
I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around? . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ?DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us!The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to becomeHull for example play some lovely football on the deck. In the games I’ve seen they have anyway.We tend to mix it up a bit. Can play some nice football on the deck but go direct when the need arises. It’s one of Alex Neil’s fortes. He adapts our style to who we’re facing. Sometimes mid game. Hence why we’ve had so many games this season where we’ve been shit in the first half but come back stronger in the 2nd. Sorry but I don’t think Nathan Jones has that quality. Hes very rigid.
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99% of the people on this forum could get us playing more entertaining football no one has ever denied that. The point is to do that we have to give up our best manager in years, who’s currently over succeeding with a squad incapable of playing proper football at this level.DennisBooth said:
Just my opinion. Absolute Madness is well over the top. I honestly think we could get someone in to do a better job producing more aesthetically pleasing football. On this forum anybody who takes the opposite view to the group think gets insulted?se9addick said:
Absolute madness.DennisBooth said:Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.If we’re a stable championship side with a midtable budget and been stagnant for years that’s a risk you can take, but not when we’re in our best position in almost 10 years and still need to improve in all areas to get to being a stable championship club.Millwall tried it with I think Harris/Rowett for Joe Edwards ended horribly, Birmingham did it with Eustace to Rooney got relegated, Sheffield United did it with Wilder to Selles, Moyes to Lopetegui catalyst that could potentially see West Ham relegated. So many examples where the grass isn’t always greener by teams trying to change everything that got them to where they were in the first place11 -
Give him next season Dennis. If he doesn't take this chance to improve the quality we watch, and is given money to do so by the board, then I'll agree with you and it will will be time to move on.But if we see an improvement, and even a gradual one, we surely have to give him the chance. I think he has earnt that level of respect.2
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2015 , 2014, 2013 we finished 12th, 18th, 9th in the Championship0
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I don’t know when so many Charlton fans became such football purists. We hardly have a history of being an expansive attacking team à la Spurs, and hopefully we aren’t falling into the ‘West Ham way’ trap that saw them sack David Moyes.
After the years in L1 exile I’d happily watch us play functional football for a few years to consolidate our place in the Championship. If the alternative is to skip this out to try and play expansive, attacking football without the players to do it, then I think we go straight back down.
Obviously it’s a lot easier to accept this style when we get results, so I understand the frustration currently. We all want to see improvement but Rome wasn’t built in a day.11 -
My thoughts are - I am just happy to be playing in the Champ and playing bigger teams with bigger fan-bases and stadiums.
I can forgive the dross ball if we stay up and just hope our recruitment allows us to recruit a couple of decent midfielders and two experienced loanees.
We need to be realistic though - this will not be an overhaul of two thirds of the team, it will be gradual and I dont expect huge changes in tactics next year.
Jones very much deserves to build up what he has started in my opinion.5 -
Well with 32 mins of this game gone, it has 100 million % made my mind up, that i want him gone, this is utter diabolical football12
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I hate the football under NJ and however limited our budget is that can hardly justify the crap we've had to watch. Limited possession and chances and zero flair on display.
Not expecting free flowing football but surely we can expect better than this.
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New manager in the summer regardless of the league13
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When you play to win in the moments you need your players to not be donkeys Jones has way too many of those at this level2
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I have been saying this for a while. Terrible anti football, Summer is a good time to replace him. But I can’t see it happening.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I hate the football under NJ and however limited our budget is that can hardly justify the crap we've had to watch. Limited possession and chances and zero flair on display.
Not expecting free flowing football but surely we can expect better than this.4 -
He has Conor Coventry and he's decided to hold a grudge against him. IdiotCrispywood said:When you play to win in the moments you need your players to not be donkeys Jones has way too many of those at this level2 -
Football terrorist.3
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Most of our squad is league one standard.
I'd like to see NJ given a decent budget in the summer to see what he can do.
Far too early to think about another managerial change.16
